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Thanx,

why is military so strict?

rick0

Hi,

I've just been on the phone to my optician... bad news The stuff like dioptric, spherism (oh I dont know - but those measurements) are fine.. but she said last time "I had trouble reading 6/6"...

crap

Im going this friday (and she said that they've got a new chart and "it looks bigger") but I suppose im trying to prepare myself for the worst... feel terrible.

So if I cant read it.. is there anyway at all?

Thanks

edit: is the american 20/20 any different from the 6/6 min. standard over here?

rick0

Apologies for the "bump" but perhaps people are not reading the this thread anymore?

But anyway - Is this "test" correct (if you follow the instructions for the calibrated height):

http://www.isyte.com/autopage.ink?colour=k&PageNo=322

Would it give a fairly good idea?

Cheers

whiskey390

I had undergone Class I medical of DGCA and they have given me an ubfit certificate due to "Substandard corrected Binocular vision". But I have never done any sorts of eye surgery nor i have specs. What is this Substandard corrected Binocular vision? Even if I have this,how shall I correct this one? Is it serious?

MAN-SQ

Apologies if I have posted this in the wrong place - I'm not sure whether I should have posted this here or in the cabin crew section.

I have been offered a post as cabin crew. I have recently read that you cannot be colourblind as cabin crew, does anyone know if this is correct?

Apparently I am red/green colourblind - but I can hardly tell during day to day life!

Any guidance would be much appreciated,

Thanks

Neo_RS14

First I've heard of cabin crew requiring full colour vision

Just do your research as best you can, make some calls etc...I'm pretty sure that you'll be ok though, on what basis would you need full CV for cabin crew duties?

I know what you mean though regarding not noticing the Red-green CV, feel that I have fine colour vision....only lets me down in the tests really, otherwise I don't notice it.

TelBoy

Wow look at this

http://www.connexions-direct.com/job...eContentID=666

and this

http://www.learndirect-advice.co.uk/...es/profile118/

and this

http://www.redgoldfish.co.uk/view_jo...ion.asp?gid=14

and again

http://www.hastings.ac.uk/courses/in..._06-07_Ed3.pdf

Looks like welcome to our club. However I think it is one of the last things to come up - probably on a company medical. If they reject you because of CVD, get it in writing from them that you have been rejected for colour vision. Then write to them and get a written reply why your colour vision would make you unsuitable for the job - they will reply with the usual rubbish of course. I would then take the case to the DRC and see what they have to say.

NOTE: the DRC will probably try to fob you off as CVD is not as trendy as one legged lesbians (sorry to one legged lesbians!!) and they don't want to spend time and money helping us, but they need setting straight.

This is again just another stupid rule that needs sorting. If you take all the rules literally we would not be able to do ANY driving job - not even a delivery van or CAR, we cannot do ANY job on the railway (except clerical) - not even sweep the platform clean. Armed services are out, Electrician is out, now even cabin crew is out - how mad.

Who does take CVD? The Police do - they will take dichromates and give them special training (in recognising blue, i kidd not)

Gliding - they don't use colour signal and don't care a T*** about colour vision!!

Sorry getting into a rant. It does make me mad that we can do these jobs just fine, but the colour normals making the rules are just BLIND.

Any how good luck and I sure hope that you beat them.

MAN-SQ

Thanks for the replies - I will see how I get on - hopefully all will be well! I really don't see how it can make such a difference!

kinnie

my experiences at Gatwick.
i went for my class 1 initial on Thursday, i suspected a problem of hyperphoria. i had already seen 2 opthamologists who had given me a prescription of 2 dioptres and 3 dioptres at close. i therefore suspected that i may not pass and aksed Gatwick if i should come, to which they said yes.
so off i went, saw the opthamologist and failed! i was extremely diappointed and more so due to the nature of the eye examination. at no time did the opthamolgist use any sophisticated equipment to measure this (like the two other opthamolgists i had seen did). He simply held a ruler next to my eye and waved a stick in front of me. he then used a piece of equipment that looked like it had been made when the Wright brothers were about. granted that this was quite a valid test though. However, upon failing me i really was diappointed with the explanation i was given. in the CAA guidance it states that anyone over the limitations for hyperphoria can pass as long as 'the fusional reserves are sufficient to prevent diplopia.' when i asked about a measurement of the fusional reserves i was not satisified with the answer and was told that it wasn't something that they measure. i really got the impression that it was just gut instinct, or how he felt on the day. Surely there should be some measurement to which they should be guided as to pass or fail.
At no point did i get the impression that the opthamolgist was any bit interested in helping me to pass. (perhaps i am a little more bitter because i didn't pass)! i was also told at the end when i queried the measurement that he gave for the hyperphoria that his measurement would be the most accurate out of all the opthamolgists that i had seen. i have to say i was not convinced, due to the nature of the test that he did ie measuring my eye with a ruler and waving a stick in front of me! i really didn;t get the impression that the opthamolgist was interested in whether i passed or failed. i was disappointed with this attitude as so many people have said on here that they really get the impression that the guys there want you to pass!
back to the drawing board now! it really is very difficult to get over the failure of the medical when it is all that you set your heart upon.

hvogt

Hi Kevin

The German civil aviation authority (Luftfahrtbundesamt) has published a list of all AMCs here:

http://www.lba.de/cln_010/nn_54074/D...edZentren.html

PM me if you need further help.

Best regards

hvogt

Alicia.C

Sorry to hear that Kinnie. I'm suprised the Opthamologist displayed such a casual attitude to what essentially is your dream, that is to fly. I believe there's only one Opthamologist at Gatwick. Have you tried calling them at Gatwick again and ask to speak to the Opthamologist for further clarification. For his advise whether there is anything you could do to pass a Class 1? You could also ask to speak to a AME there for his option. If you feel that the Opthamologist is wrong and you were not treated with the care you deserved, complain. Hang in there until the very end.

TelBoy

Maybe this one.

DLR - Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt
Institut für Luft- und Raumfahrtmedizin
Flugmedizinisches Zentrum
Gebäude 24
Linder Höhe
D-51147 Köln

They do apparentley demonstrate the Baynes test to you.

It has been said we should organise a bus trip around Europe AMC's and call it the sights and lights trip Hey have to keep smilin!!

kinnie

Thanks for that Alicia, he did say that i could have surgery to rectify but that they did not recommend it (i know they have to say that).
I think that i was most upset about the way that he told me that he would be the most accurate, and i focused on the bad news at the time, as it was extremely upsetting!
Anyway, not giving up, have contacted Moorfields hospital to get the low down on the operation. still undecided though as it does have a degree of risk to my vision!
not giving up yet!!!

mike07

I've worn glasses and contact lenses for about twelve years now. I am considering lasik eye surgery so I don't have to wear glasses/contacts any longer. I still want to do more research on lasik eye information before I go on with the surgery. Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions?

daveip

I'm hell bent on trying to become a pilot. I'm from the UK and my eye sight is well over the limits for a direct class 1 medical certificate from the CAA.

Right -5.00 -3.25
Left -5.25 -3.00

I'm considering getting lasik to correct my eyes (surgery has given me the a-ok for wavefront with intralase surgery) and I know that I fall outside of the limits again for CAA class 1.

But I was wondering if it is possible to obtain an FAA class 1 here in the UK, and then revalidate to a CAA class 1 as there are no revalidation/renewal limits.

Any info would be much appreciated!
Thanks!

Shunter

I'd be interested to see those LVA, unfortunately the links on your site don't work.

tingtang

Hi

You can't get an FAA class 1 medical and then go for the CAA class 1 on the renewal standards.

I think you may have to have an FAA CPL to be assessed on the renewal standards and that may only be the case if you are just outside the initial standards. I suggest contacting Gatwick or going for the Class 1 and seeing what they say.

Hope this helps

Will

daveip

Thanks for the info. Did suspect that I'd have to hold some sort of license before being able to get the medical revalidated.

TODALDA

I feel great sympathy for all the young folk who post here, trying to somehow pass the colour vision tests when they know they are colour deficient. I would have loved a career in flying, but learned at an early age, due to colour vision problems, that it was impossible. Now at the age of 55 I am doing a PPL (with no night flying) and enjoying the whole experience, I went solo after 12 hours. We have to accept the hand we've been dealt in life. It may be very frustrating, but you cannot do anything about it, and there are other challenging careers out there and flying can still be an absorbing hobby. Don't go in to denial, don't get bitter, enjoy the parts of aviation you can.

biggles7374

can someone tell me whether when using the simulators above whether you have to put your screen 5 / 6 meters away before running the powerpoint slide show or whether the sizes of the dots have been scaled down so that they can be used when viewed from say 450mm away from the screen.

Help would be appreciated.

regards

Andy