CTC McAlpine/easyJet/JMC Sponsorship Selection

[Sagey]

onawingandaprayer, the rules say 2 C's or above at A level OR a 2:2 or above.

Now you can argue blue in the face that if you didn't get 2 C's or above your 2:2 would be from a so called inferior University etc.

However, I read the criteria as it is one or the other, so it shouldn't be a problem


Sagey

[Vee One...Rotate]

Sagey,

Yes, that bit can be interpreted in two ways can't it?

2 A levels at C or above OR a degree class of 2.2 or above.

OR

If a degree has been awarded it must be a 2.2 or better.

Hmmm...

I don't suppose any CTC people (who I understand sometimes frequent this forum) would like to comment? I realise this is unlikely...!

Regards,

V1R

[Sagey]

Vee One I am pritty sure it is one or the other.

You can get on with just A levels - now if you got AAA and got a 3rd in say Maths from Oxford/Cambridge/Other redbricks that IMO is better than getting EEE and a 2:2 in Media Studies from Scunthorpe (not sure there is a Uni there)

I know BA used to accept people with a 3rd if there A levels were good and their form was worded in similiar language

Just apply and see what happens - now that the age limit has been extended, work experience will come into play a lot more.

In fact there is a question about overcoming obstacles you need to fill in, getting good A levels then being disappointed with a third is an obstacle but then you can argue you got a good job etc

Mmm

Sagey

[Vee One...Rotate]

Sagey,

Indeed. I'd probably lean towards that interpretation as well.

onawingandaprayer,

Best of luck

V1R

[Simon_Sez]

LISTEN UP!!

After some consultation with Scroggs - our faithful moderator - there will be a brand spanking new topic entitled "NEW - The CTC Wings Scheme".

This will contain all relevant information on the scheme which has now replaced the old CTC-McAlpine programme. All further posts on the topic should be posted in the new "CTC Wings Scheme" thread, effectively making this one redundant.

Regards,

Simon.

[Vee One...Rotate]

Bye bye thread - you served us well and will be missed...over 70,000 views...seems like a crime...!

V1R

[sally at pprune]

If I'd only known...

...what it would lead to, I'm not sure I'd have inflicted this thread onto PPRuNe.

I'm sure there have been bigger ones?

Bye fred

[BitMoreRightRudder]

Farewell thread, you have my thanks

[BoraBora007]

I see EasyJet have removed their offer of help with living expenses. (So EasyJet students will no longer recieve 5k).

This really pisses me off. How cheap and tight fisted can you be? EasyJet are making bucket loads of cash and yet they cannot afford to help out their cadets in training with their living expenses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is surely not the way to build good employee relations is it?

I just can't believe they have decided to withdraw these funds. It makes me very

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[robtherower]

Bora - you have missed a point with the new scheme - cadets are no longer being charged for utilities etc in training, and hence the airline is now not paying for it!

Hope this clarifies the situation

[BoraBora007]

robtherower

This certainly doesnt clarify the situation.

All the cuts in utilities and I believe some car expenses will save the cadet around £900 (this seems very high to me). However this still leaves the cadet short of £4000.

robtherower - unless its escaped your attention, but utilities aren't the only expense cadets have. There is the small matter of food, social activities and petrol.

Now what I am saying is that it would be a good gesture for the airlines to help the cadet with these costs.

But they are penny pinching.



You are completely stupid robtherower if you think the fact that a student doesnt have to pay for utility bills is the same as recieving £5k.

Remember Thomas Cook still pay it - so this isnt all part of the new scheme. It is not CTC either, as they encourage airlines to help cadets with living. It is Easyjets tightness.

[gyni]

ha ha! that's hilarious! calling rob the rower stupid! if only you knew!! well bora boring or whatever your name is i can kind of see your point but why do you care so much? you certainly aren't 'sponsored' by easyjet so what's the problem? did you have difficulty with the mathematics at stage 2?

[spuddy]

Bora,

I look forward to you joining us out here. Your forward thinking and team building skills will go down so well.

The new scheme should not be compared to current ones for obvious reasons (which I'm sure you know about). At the moment easyjet pay x amount, most of which goes on utilities. In the new scheme, they dont pay but utilities dont exist therefore the average cadet will only have to pay living costs (easilly covered through the bank if they aint accesible otherwise)

The bottom line is, CTC draw up a set of rule. If you like them then follow them, as you will you will end up with a job with one of the best airlines in the country. If you don't like them then 'c'est la vie ' cos it will be tough mate.

Rob's fan club.

[BoraBora007]

Im not in this scheme, nor am I applying to it, I have a few friends of the family, whose son's have applied or who are thinking of applying to it.

They are asking me for advice, hence my interest and my annoyance.

Now, perhaps you think my comments against easyjet are harsh, but this is because you are looking through rose tinted spectacles, as you are on the scheme, or want to be on it.

spuddy - what are you talking about?

The new scheme should not be compared to current ones for obvious reasons (which I'm sure you know about). At the moment easyjet pay x amount, most of which goes on utilities. In the new scheme, they dont pay but utilities dont exist therefore the average cadet will only have to pay living costs

Now - most expenses do not go on utilities. That is rubbish.
x amount = £5k
The average cadet will have to pay living costs, this is my point which you agree with. Why are you trying to argue against me then?
Why should this "new" scheme not be compared to others? The reasons certainly aren't obvious.

ThomasCook still pay £5k, so as I have previously stated this is not part of the new scheme. This is a tight fisted decision by EasyJet.

I look forward to you joining us out here. Your forward thinking and team building skills will go down so well.

How can you imply I have no team skills or forward thinking because I am angry with EasyJet?

What makes you qualified to assess these qualities anyway?

Your just a cadet, dont get above your station.

[spuddy]

Apologies, My head was saying one thing last night but I was typing another.

The 'team building skills' I was talking about was purely as a result of your calling rob 'stupid'. I'm sure things like that go down well in your current work environment.

As you say I should not get above my station. At least at my 'station', as a cadet on the course, I can comment on it. I'd be interested to know what your 'station' is that makes you so qualified.

At the end of the day, am I happy I am getting money from easyJet? ..... Yes

Would I still apply now with this more prudent policy? ....Yes

If people get worked up about this policy then fair enough but I suggest they look at the positives. At the moment there are 3 courses here who are not getting any money from an airline but I don't see any of them moaning. The only difference with the change to easyjet's policy will be that more people will need to take the bank up on their offer of 5k on top of the 60. It's not the end of the world.

BTW, why are we still on this thread? There's a new one.

[robtherower]

Bora - I am certainly not stupid, for if I were I would not be on this course. I am however, realistic about the situation - most of that 5k (not all but most) is skimmed off by ctc for utilities, cars etc. I won't divulge exact figures on this forum.

The withdrawal of the 5k allowance by easyjet is not tightfisted, in fact the opposite is true - Thomas Cook are generous. I am unaware that any of the other airlines joining the scheme will be offering the allowance.

In my previous lines of work (not all aviation related) when I attend a training course away from home I would have to pay for my own beer fund and most of the time food also - why should this course be any different?

Please feel free to advise your friends' sons or whoever against applying on the basis that they might actually have to pay something.

[flyonwall]

Rob is absoloutely right about the 5k agreement. It is certainly not the case of EasyJet turning around and deciding to drop the 5k to be 'tight fisted', it is purely and simply due to the fact that the living expenses are no longer charged. Therefore, why give extra money out, which essentially is not required?? You seem to suffer from a little tunnel vision Bora, turn the situation around into a different perspective, as Rob correctly stated, it is Thomas Cook that are being generous, not EJ that are being cheap. I dont think sponsoring 6-8 cadets per month on a constant flow is cheap??

Granted, cadets will need to personally fund for their own food, drink etc but there is one simple answer to this:

If you don't like the arrangement, then do not apply.

For me, spending a little money to get me the career I want is no trouble. The opportunity to be on this scheme is outstanding, especially the outcome, however as in everything, you have to scale the mountain to reach the summit!

[BoraBora007]

My point is, it's not a sponsorship if you don't get anything paid. After all, you are all paying for your training. Having read the CTC website, I also see that they are going to ensure some cadets don't get sponsored so they have a feed for their ATP pool.

So now we have a situation were some cadets will be not be getting sponsored so they provide a feed for the ATP pool. Upon employment they have their bond witheld.

So in this case all CTC have provided is the training, at hugh expense. The cadet then has to pay all this back out of taxed salary, leaving them in a much worse position than those who get pre-selected.

On top of this, people cannot apply to this scheme and specify that they want to be sponsored.

So in essence they are going through this selection process to pay CTC 60k as their training provider. If they state they wont go on a course unless its sponsored they can pack their bags.

Now cadets are going to have to loan an extra £5k for living, which definately wont last the length of the course as you even have to pay for you CPLs to be issued.

So basically this scheme is only open now to cadets with well off parents, who will have to support them through training. A 5k loan wont cover it, especially back in England.

EasyJet have made a tight fisted decision because they know they can get away with it. Any other airlines joining the scheme will follow this decision. Ezy have set the precedent.

Only in the airline industry.

[jonathang]

BoraBora007, before slating the merits and disadvantages of this scheme. Perhaps you should do a cost analysis to compare other ab initio Flight Training Organisations.

Once you have compared the costs you will see the 60 K bond is nothing compared to the actual cost of the training supplied including interest.

The 60 k does not directly cover the costs of the entire training process supplied by CTC and would barely cover the minimal requirements ab initio.

CTC will find no shortage of people willing to take up this offer as it is an excellent opportunity under the previous and current terms.

How can you blame easyJet for not paying 5k? When only the smallest number of airlines even attempt to offer Sponsorship.

Maybe time to research the equivalent Sponsorships out there. Or lack there off.

There is a new thread for this topic:
New - The CTC Wings Scheme

[BoraBora007]

Im not slating the scheme, it excellent for some people. Im simply saying, its not a sponsorship deal.