BA Future Pilot Programme (FPP)(Merged)
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I've had no reply as of yet from FTE. I did my selection on sept 17th. I was wondering when other people did FTE selection. I only had 5 days to prepare and would be interested to know how long other people had to prepare?
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Regarding the BA future pilot scheme, I understand application closed in September this year, will there be another opportunity to apply for the scheme next year?
"CTC also told us that BA were contractually obliged to take any extra pilots they might need outside of the scheme from ONLY CTC say for example if they underestimate their requirements."
iFlyPilot, is that insider knowledge you have there, or is it your best guess? What precisely is meant by "extra pilots they might need outside of the scheme"? If BA don't get enough pilots, say, who meet BA's requirements, within the current FPP scheme, how does CTC being some sort of 'preferred provider' improve that? I don't think I understand the idea.
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iFlyPilot is correct.
The FPP is the MINIMUM conditions for what it would take for me to embark on training. It's not because im not passionate enough (believe me i am) nor that I am not enthusiatic enough; it's that I'm bright enough to know that it's all very well reaching ones dream...but NOT AT ANY COST!! Why contribute and become part of the cause of a massive problem?!
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If everyone thought and acted like Roger-Wilco all the airlines would have to do these schemes - I am hoping the FPP changes the training landscape for good. Gambling £85k+ on a dream with 0 information about what is on the other side is plane stupid.
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iFlyPilot. You are changing your story slightly...
From "is" to "then it is likely that these pilots will come directly from the CTC"...
Which is it? Your opinion or stated fact?
From "is" to "then it is likely that these pilots will come directly from the CTC"...
Which is it? Your opinion or stated fact?
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I'm getting deja vu...
iFlyPilot is once again correct.
From CTC
There's nothing cloak and dagger about this.
With regards to making an informed decision and passing a pretty tough selection process, I think we can all make our own decisions.
Of course there are risks but I'd like to think that we have the right to chose for ourselves. No need for sour grapes. No silver spoon here, just 10 years hard work and some fortunate investment decisions.
My advice, don't worry about other people, make an informed decision, and live and let live.
Good luck.
iFlyPilot is once again correct.
From CTC
"only pilots that have completed a bonded system through APL will have access to BA as a low-hour cadet. This means that CTC Wings pilots (you) can have access to BA’s FPP subject to your performance in training and the airline’s recruitment requirements should you wish to consider a career in the airline. What’s more, ONLY CTC Wings pilots can make up the additional requirement, should there be one, because only CTC Wings cadets go through a bonded system."
With regards to making an informed decision and passing a pretty tough selection process, I think we can all make our own decisions.
Of course there are risks but I'd like to think that we have the right to chose for ourselves. No need for sour grapes. No silver spoon here, just 10 years hard work and some fortunate investment decisions.
My advice, don't worry about other people, make an informed decision, and live and let live.
Good luck.
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FPP won't change anything.
In someways Cabair coming out will change things more due to a reduction of capacity.
Also as well the selling point of Oxford of if BA recruit you will be in with a chance with us will also be gone. Which seems to be a big selling point with a certain type of wannabie.
Unfortunately it also means that the previous 5 years worth of output who haven't stumped up for a type rating with the loco's have a not very pleasant future in front of them.
In someways Cabair coming out will change things more due to a reduction of capacity.
Also as well the selling point of Oxford of if BA recruit you will be in with a chance with us will also be gone. Which seems to be a big selling point with a certain type of wannabie.
Unfortunately it also means that the previous 5 years worth of output who haven't stumped up for a type rating with the loco's have a not very pleasant future in front of them.
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I've had no reply as of yet from FTE. I did my selection on sept 17th. I was wondering when other people did FTE selection. I only had 5 days to prepare and would be interested to know how long other people had to prepare?
They said we would hear from them in the first two weeks november...
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"only pilots that have completed a bonded system through APL will have access to BA as a low-hour cadet."
I thought the OAA scheme is bonded through APL also??
"This means that CTC Wings pilots (you) can have access to BA’s FPP subject to your performance in training and the airline’s recruitment requirements should you wish to consider a career in the airline."
Um - this is talking about access to join the FPP (if required)...the FPP INCLUDES training...so it is referring to hopping over from your self-sponsored training to their training (JOC & type rating course)..
I think once you complete you self-sponsored training, you are in the same boat as everyone else....If BA took direct-entry cadets I fail to see them being contractually obliged to take them from CTC.
they are merely referring to 'topping up' the FPP cadets - not 'access' into BA after training. CTC are being sly. I dont believe BA would let themselves get dictated to as to where they get their pilots. Are you saying if Willie Walsh's grandson went to FTE, he wouldnt be sucked up into the airline upon graduation?
I thought the OAA scheme is bonded through APL also??
"This means that CTC Wings pilots (you) can have access to BA’s FPP subject to your performance in training and the airline’s recruitment requirements should you wish to consider a career in the airline."
Um - this is talking about access to join the FPP (if required)...the FPP INCLUDES training...so it is referring to hopping over from your self-sponsored training to their training (JOC & type rating course)..
I think once you complete you self-sponsored training, you are in the same boat as everyone else....If BA took direct-entry cadets I fail to see them being contractually obliged to take them from CTC.
they are merely referring to 'topping up' the FPP cadets - not 'access' into BA after training. CTC are being sly. I dont believe BA would let themselves get dictated to as to where they get their pilots. Are you saying if Willie Walsh's grandson went to FTE, he wouldnt be sucked up into the airline upon graduation?
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^ If you want to get into BA as a "cadet" but do not get onto the FPP the only other option is to get onto the CTC Wings course, BUT it is unlikely BA would have to do this in large numbers, so if signing up to CTC you should financially plan on easyJet flexi-crew. If BA need pilots quickly the DEP pool is the more likely source due to a shorter training footprint. The old SSP route through FTE/OAA/Cabair is no more.
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Exactly, it's only topping up the Cadet numbers for BA if required - no promises.
BA mainly hire exisiting experienced pilots, they haven't said that they are now willing to take low hours across the board, other than of course the few accepted on this scheme.
BA mainly hire exisiting experienced pilots, they haven't said that they are now willing to take low hours across the board, other than of course the few accepted on this scheme.
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From the Financial Times re. OAA
The following article may be of some interest to those who have applied to OAA. Overall ownership by a private equity firm, which includes other worldwide aviation training interests, may or may not have implications for the UK part of the group. The cyclical nature of airline fortunes and their future planning and requirements will always have an impact upon independently owned FTOs, wherever they may be located.
FT: buyers circle Oxford Aviation
The majority owner of Oxford Aviation Academy, one of the world’s largest pilot training and leasing providers, is considering a sale of the company after receiving several takeover approaches in the past few months.
UK buy-out group Star Capital Partners has asked Credit Suisse to explore a potential sale, two people close to the situation said.
It is set to decide by the end of the year whether to launch an auction for the group, which could be worth over £350m.
A number of airlines and airline service groups from China, the US and Europe have expressed interest in OAA.
All potential buyers are said to be particularly keen on the group’s business in Asia. In China, demand for pilot training and flight crew personnel is rising rapidly.
Star Capital has grown OAA since 2007 through an aggressive “buy and build” strategy in which the private equity owner acquired six companies in less than 24 months.
The group has its roots in a $275m merger of the Scandinavian SAS Flight Academy with GE Commercial Aviation Training, which is based in the UK and Hong Kong, almost five years ago.
It was rebranded Oxford Aviation Academy in the same year following another takeover. US industrial conglomerate General Electric has a stake of less than 20 per cent in the group.
OAA was hit badly by the rapid economic downturn three years ago and has since been restructured by its owners. The business has rebounded strongly, and its earnings before interest tax, amortisation and depreciation are estimated to be in the region of £30m.
The company employs more than 600 people and operates 105 training aircraft around the world.
Star Capital, which declined to comment, has over €1bn in assets under management and specialises in capital-intensive businesses that are being outsourced by companies in the oil & gas, transport, utilities, telecoms and healthcare sectors.
FT: buyers circle Oxford Aviation
The majority owner of Oxford Aviation Academy, one of the world’s largest pilot training and leasing providers, is considering a sale of the company after receiving several takeover approaches in the past few months.
UK buy-out group Star Capital Partners has asked Credit Suisse to explore a potential sale, two people close to the situation said.
It is set to decide by the end of the year whether to launch an auction for the group, which could be worth over £350m.
A number of airlines and airline service groups from China, the US and Europe have expressed interest in OAA.
All potential buyers are said to be particularly keen on the group’s business in Asia. In China, demand for pilot training and flight crew personnel is rising rapidly.
Star Capital has grown OAA since 2007 through an aggressive “buy and build” strategy in which the private equity owner acquired six companies in less than 24 months.
The group has its roots in a $275m merger of the Scandinavian SAS Flight Academy with GE Commercial Aviation Training, which is based in the UK and Hong Kong, almost five years ago.
It was rebranded Oxford Aviation Academy in the same year following another takeover. US industrial conglomerate General Electric has a stake of less than 20 per cent in the group.
OAA was hit badly by the rapid economic downturn three years ago and has since been restructured by its owners. The business has rebounded strongly, and its earnings before interest tax, amortisation and depreciation are estimated to be in the region of £30m.
The company employs more than 600 people and operates 105 training aircraft around the world.
Star Capital, which declined to comment, has over €1bn in assets under management and specialises in capital-intensive businesses that are being outsourced by companies in the oil & gas, transport, utilities, telecoms and healthcare sectors.
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My application outcome
Hello all ppruners
I have just got the outcome of my BA FPP application via FTE. Unfortunately, I was rejected.
this is the sentece that said this:
Due to very strong competition for this vacancy, we regret to advise you that after careful consideration, our decision is not to take your application further on this occasion.
It was a big blow to me, but anyway, failure is a part of life and we can't underestand the sweet taste fo success until we taste failure.
I don't know any of you in this forum and on this program, But I wish every singe one of you success in this program and on any other part of your life.
Good luck every one
I have just got the outcome of my BA FPP application via FTE. Unfortunately, I was rejected.
this is the sentece that said this:
Due to very strong competition for this vacancy, we regret to advise you that after careful consideration, our decision is not to take your application further on this occasion.
It was a big blow to me, but anyway, failure is a part of life and we can't underestand the sweet taste fo success until we taste failure.
I don't know any of you in this forum and on this program, But I wish every singe one of you success in this program and on any other part of your life.
Good luck every one
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It's a no from FTE
I won't be making any Speedbird calls just yet...received an "unsuccessful application" from FTE today.
One more blow...but they make you stronger overall.
Best of luck to those still in the game.
One more blow...but they make you stronger overall.
Best of luck to those still in the game.
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I haven't heard anything either way from OAA today. But they told us it would be the first week of November, so I haven't been expecting anything anyway.
Congratulations to those who have heard back with good news!
Congratulations to those who have heard back with good news!