So where are all the jobs then?
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From time to time, I read a post by pilots with 250 TT, MCC, ATPL theory, ME-Comm/IR, upset that they can't get a job. Be grateful that airlines in Europe look at people with 250 hours TT. Why? Well here is a job offer to join Virgin America (as a First Officer).
COMPANY:Virgin AmericaDATE:Sep 22, 2009POSITION:Pilots DESCRIPTION:Airport Location: Virgin America HQ
Country: United States
State: California
City: Burlingame
Description: Are you ready to take off? If you’ve got passion,
drive, and a guest-friendly spirit, you might be the kind of person
we are looking for. Virgin America is seeking a special kind of
person who will help define who we are. We’ll supply the planes --
brand new Airbus A320-family aircraft — and the headquarters —
beautiful San Francisco, California. We want you to bring the heart
and creativity to make this the most beloved airline in the sky.
Together, we can create a company where inspired people will
always love to work.
The Role…… ensure a safe journey and a positive Virgin America
experience for all. This position will safely operate the aircraft in
accordance with all Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) and
company policies and procedures while maintaining a lasting
impression of friendliness and outstanding service representative
of the Virgin America brand. What you can bring…..
Skills:
• FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
• Check Airmen or Instructor time highly desired
• 5000 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helo, Sim, F/E time)
• Airbus A320 type rating preferred
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Must pass FAA mandated drug test
• FCC Radio License
• Must possess a valid U.S. Driver’s license
• Current passport
• Legally authorized to work in the U.S.
• Must pass required federal background checks and Virgin
America pre-employment background checks Experience and
Expertise:
• Excellent communication skills
• An established knowledge of MicroSoft Office, Adobe Acrobat,
and Internet e-mail functions
Recent flight experience:
• 1000 hours total time as PIC, in turbine or jet aircraft
COMPANY:Virgin AmericaDATE:Sep 22, 2009POSITION:Pilots DESCRIPTION:Airport Location: Virgin America HQ
Country: United States
State: California
City: Burlingame
Description: Are you ready to take off? If you’ve got passion,
drive, and a guest-friendly spirit, you might be the kind of person
we are looking for. Virgin America is seeking a special kind of
person who will help define who we are. We’ll supply the planes --
brand new Airbus A320-family aircraft — and the headquarters —
beautiful San Francisco, California. We want you to bring the heart
and creativity to make this the most beloved airline in the sky.
Together, we can create a company where inspired people will
always love to work.
The Role…… ensure a safe journey and a positive Virgin America
experience for all. This position will safely operate the aircraft in
accordance with all Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) and
company policies and procedures while maintaining a lasting
impression of friendliness and outstanding service representative
of the Virgin America brand. What you can bring…..
Skills:
• FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
• Check Airmen or Instructor time highly desired
• 5000 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helo, Sim, F/E time)
• Airbus A320 type rating preferred
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Must pass FAA mandated drug test
• FCC Radio License
• Must possess a valid U.S. Driver’s license
• Current passport
• Legally authorized to work in the U.S.
• Must pass required federal background checks and Virgin
America pre-employment background checks Experience and
Expertise:
• Excellent communication skills
• An established knowledge of MicroSoft Office, Adobe Acrobat,
and Internet e-mail functions
Recent flight experience:
• 1000 hours total time as PIC, in turbine or jet aircraft
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..oh is that all.
Sounds just like every other job that is advertised.
ATPL - 2500TT
1900 turbo-prop
Instructor
Damn good fellow
Stuck
Too much time for some airlines (200hr OAT /CTC Sausages fresh from the Sausage Factory only)
Not enough jet time for the rest
Sod paying 23k for a temp 6 month contract (see mug written on my forehead?)
Must be light soon - but enjoying the flying while I wait.
Sounds just like every other job that is advertised.
ATPL - 2500TT
1900 turbo-prop
Instructor
Damn good fellow
Stuck
Too much time for some airlines (200hr OAT /CTC Sausages fresh from the Sausage Factory only)
Not enough jet time for the rest
Sod paying 23k for a temp 6 month contract (see mug written on my forehead?)
Must be light soon - but enjoying the flying while I wait.
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As seen on Flybe.com
Leading regional airline signs on 16 new pilots fresh from leading flight schools
Flybe, one of Europe’s largest regional airlines and the UK’s number one domestic carrier, has welcomed 16 new pilots from its own sponsored pilot recruitment programme to undergo a familiarisation/induction course for its Q400 fleet, included amongst which are three recruits from the South West.
The intake flies in the face of current global aviation activity where many airlines are shedding rather than hiring pilots as a direct result of the economic climate. Flybe’s programme operates in conjunction with a number of training schools across Europe and demonstrates its commitment to high quality training as it continues to recruit from flight schools that include Flight Training Europe, Jerez, Cabair College of Air Training at Cranfield and Oxford Aviation Academy.
Flybe’s unique relationship with its partner Flight Training Schools brings hope to many potential pilots looking for the opportunity to realise their dreams.
Ian Baston, Chief Pilot for Flybe comments; “Flybe seeks out the best pilots in the industry to help us continue deliver a first-class flight experience. To this end, we have built solid relationships with a number of leading flight schools across Europe and are always on the look-out for new talent to bolster our teams. We’re looking forward to helping our 16 new pilots embark on a long and successful career with us.”
Mike Rutter, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, comments; “We are delighted to be strengthening our flight team with the recruitment of the new Pilots. It’s great to know that we have some of the best talent in the industry coming on board to help us to grow the Flybe brand. At a time when other airlines are tightening their belts and feeling the impact of tough trading conditions, Flybe continues to recruit.”
Leading regional airline signs on 16 new pilots fresh from leading flight schools
Flybe, one of Europe’s largest regional airlines and the UK’s number one domestic carrier, has welcomed 16 new pilots from its own sponsored pilot recruitment programme to undergo a familiarisation/induction course for its Q400 fleet, included amongst which are three recruits from the South West.
The intake flies in the face of current global aviation activity where many airlines are shedding rather than hiring pilots as a direct result of the economic climate. Flybe’s programme operates in conjunction with a number of training schools across Europe and demonstrates its commitment to high quality training as it continues to recruit from flight schools that include Flight Training Europe, Jerez, Cabair College of Air Training at Cranfield and Oxford Aviation Academy.
Flybe’s unique relationship with its partner Flight Training Schools brings hope to many potential pilots looking for the opportunity to realise their dreams.
Ian Baston, Chief Pilot for Flybe comments; “Flybe seeks out the best pilots in the industry to help us continue deliver a first-class flight experience. To this end, we have built solid relationships with a number of leading flight schools across Europe and are always on the look-out for new talent to bolster our teams. We’re looking forward to helping our 16 new pilots embark on a long and successful career with us.”
Mike Rutter, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, comments; “We are delighted to be strengthening our flight team with the recruitment of the new Pilots. It’s great to know that we have some of the best talent in the industry coming on board to help us to grow the Flybe brand. At a time when other airlines are tightening their belts and feeling the impact of tough trading conditions, Flybe continues to recruit.”
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I have recently completed Australian CPL with MECIR and ATPL theory. I am now looking at jobs flying 206's on outback cattle stations. Not the best work as when you are not flying you are working on the station in +35deg. Still, 500 hours per year cannot be sniffed at.
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Seems that Solid aiR is hiring again http://www.solid-airline.com/Typerated.pdf
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Every damn operator is usuing CTC sausages - that's where all the jobs are.
Hope they come unstuck, as I hear from most airlines that they are very much under performing.
Maybe paying a bit more for a more experienced SnrFO rather than a 200hr bod isn't such a bad idea.
Hope they come unstuck, as I hear from most airlines that they are very much under performing.
Maybe paying a bit more for a more experienced SnrFO rather than a 200hr bod isn't such a bad idea.
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PAPI-74
I rarely reply to such baiting but in this case I'll make an exception.
"Hope they come unstuck, as I hear from most airlines that they are very much under performing"
To wish for any fellow aviator to come unstuck is an abhorrent and shameful thing to say. In the current climate when everyone is hanging on to there jobs this just smacks of bitterness and is quite frankly pathetic. Perhaps you should address your own attitude and take a good hard look in the mirror before blaming everyone else for your situation.
I was a member of the CTC scheme myself, I have been flying with easyJet for over 1.5 years and have never heard such rumours of underperformance, in fact quite the opposite. Of course they could be saying how terrible I am behind my back whilst at the same time writing good reports about me!! I would carefully check your sources before you come out with such utter nonsense on this forum again.
Rant Over!!
I rarely reply to such baiting but in this case I'll make an exception.
"Hope they come unstuck, as I hear from most airlines that they are very much under performing"
To wish for any fellow aviator to come unstuck is an abhorrent and shameful thing to say. In the current climate when everyone is hanging on to there jobs this just smacks of bitterness and is quite frankly pathetic. Perhaps you should address your own attitude and take a good hard look in the mirror before blaming everyone else for your situation.
I was a member of the CTC scheme myself, I have been flying with easyJet for over 1.5 years and have never heard such rumours of underperformance, in fact quite the opposite. Of course they could be saying how terrible I am behind my back whilst at the same time writing good reports about me!! I would carefully check your sources before you come out with such utter nonsense on this forum again.
Rant Over!!
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Every damn operator is usuing CTC sausages - that's where all the jobs are.
Hope they come unstuck, as I hear from most airlines that they are very much under performing.
Maybe paying a bit more for a more experienced SnrFO rather than a 200hr bod isn't such a bad idea.
Maybe paying a bit more for a more experienced SnrFO rather than a 200hr bod isn't such a bad idea.
I refuse to believe that any of us, be it CTC, FTE, Cabair, OAT or self improvers didn't put 100% into that little blue book after sacrificing so much for the chance. I have certainly seen many, many sources suggesting CTC cadets are of excellent standard, as I have of cadets from other training schools. Scrapping is counter productive during tough times and certainly doesn't represent the professionalism in which we were encouraged to adhere in the cockpit. I personally wish everyone currently struggling in this industry, regardless of their training background the upmost advocacy in persuing their RHS ambitions.
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My reading of PAPIs post is that he/she wants the operators who use cheap labour to come unstuck, not the pilots themselves.
While CTC cadets are exceptional with the SOPs and day to day stuff and represent a reliable and standardised product, it may be worth noting that when things start happening fast, the experienced pilots cope a little better.
In 3 go rounds from monitored approaches flown from the OM in the last year, I've had to take control twice to avoid an alt bust due to the startle factor as the power kicks in and both of these were with inexperienced cadets, on the remaining go round a more experienced SFO managed to fly the entire procedure without intervention from me.
I'm no expert, but in all these cases, due to the conditions it shouldn't have come as much of a surprise that a missed approach was to be flown and both of the cadets had given a blow by blow description of the go round procedure as SOP dictates during the approach brief. Interestingly, the more experienced SFO didn't bother with the go round briefing, he just got on with it when the time came.
These should be routine low workload events without self induced drama.
No offence intended to the new guys, but there is evidence here on the side of experience.
While CTC cadets are exceptional with the SOPs and day to day stuff and represent a reliable and standardised product, it may be worth noting that when things start happening fast, the experienced pilots cope a little better.
In 3 go rounds from monitored approaches flown from the OM in the last year, I've had to take control twice to avoid an alt bust due to the startle factor as the power kicks in and both of these were with inexperienced cadets, on the remaining go round a more experienced SFO managed to fly the entire procedure without intervention from me.
I'm no expert, but in all these cases, due to the conditions it shouldn't have come as much of a surprise that a missed approach was to be flown and both of the cadets had given a blow by blow description of the go round procedure as SOP dictates during the approach brief. Interestingly, the more experienced SFO didn't bother with the go round briefing, he just got on with it when the time came.
These should be routine low workload events without self induced drama.
No offence intended to the new guys, but there is evidence here on the side of experience.
Looks like over 100 pilot redundancies at Thomsonfly. 
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I gather that Thomson management were wanting more too.
House prices may be on the rise again and some financial pundits are prediction an end to the UK recession in 2010, however the UK aviation industry is still well and truly on its knees and will be for a while.
If you are working towards that blue book then take your time - there is no rush!
House prices may be on the rise again and some financial pundits are prediction an end to the UK recession in 2010, however the UK aviation industry is still well and truly on its knees and will be for a while.
If you are working towards that blue book then take your time - there is no rush!
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hec70r,
Ok, you have interpreted it one way I have interpreted it another. Still to come on this forum and say that CTC cadets as a whole are underperforming is still nonsense and insulting. Maybe he could clarify himself what he meant.
Regardless of anyones training background, we all had to start somewhere. Your example of the experienced SFO performing his actions correctly don't reflect his training background, merely his experience on the aircraft type. I'm sure he had seen his fair amount of go arounds and reacted accordingly..maybe they were not all perfect either? He was inexperience on type once before also.
What exactly is this evidence you refer to, that no CTC cadet is capable of flying a go around without intervention? For your given example I'm sure there are plenty of others to the contrary, otherwise I'm sure we would all have heard about it by now. To tar everyone with the same brush because of a couple of events is a bit much. I'm sure everyone, including your experienced SFO has been caught out on a couple of occassions when things happen a bit quickly. The saying "those who have and those who have yet to" springs to mind.
Ok, you have interpreted it one way I have interpreted it another. Still to come on this forum and say that CTC cadets as a whole are underperforming is still nonsense and insulting. Maybe he could clarify himself what he meant.
Regardless of anyones training background, we all had to start somewhere. Your example of the experienced SFO performing his actions correctly don't reflect his training background, merely his experience on the aircraft type. I'm sure he had seen his fair amount of go arounds and reacted accordingly..maybe they were not all perfect either? He was inexperience on type once before also.
What exactly is this evidence you refer to, that no CTC cadet is capable of flying a go around without intervention? For your given example I'm sure there are plenty of others to the contrary, otherwise I'm sure we would all have heard about it by now. To tar everyone with the same brush because of a couple of events is a bit much. I'm sure everyone, including your experienced SFO has been caught out on a couple of occassions when things happen a bit quickly. The saying "those who have and those who have yet to" springs to mind.
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So
bmi
BA
Thomson
Aer Lingus
Finnair
SAS
Numerous CTC guys who are on 6 month contracts could be included in the line-up
Anyone else?
That'll keep the job market well supplied for quite some time, sadly...yet they continue to line up for a blue book.
bmi
BA
Thomson
Aer Lingus
Finnair
SAS
Numerous CTC guys who are on 6 month contracts could be included in the line-up
Anyone else?
That'll keep the job market well supplied for quite some time, sadly...yet they continue to line up for a blue book.
dbdb
Calm yourself, I can only go on the evidence I have seen, namely 100% of the CTC cadets have been shocked and awed by the sudden change of flightpath and 100% of the admittedly small sample of experienced FOs have not.
Yes we all have to gain experience somehow, but contrary to the belief of some airline CEOs, experience takes a little time to build, whereas training, however intense doesn't.
No offence mate, but I don't remember saying all FOs would perform the same way, just all the ones I've seen.
Calm yourself, I can only go on the evidence I have seen, namely 100% of the CTC cadets have been shocked and awed by the sudden change of flightpath and 100% of the admittedly small sample of experienced FOs have not.
Yes we all have to gain experience somehow, but contrary to the belief of some airline CEOs, experience takes a little time to build, whereas training, however intense doesn't.
No offence mate, but I don't remember saying all FOs would perform the same way, just all the ones I've seen.