So where are all the jobs then?
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There are quite a few turboprop operators in Africa paying out good salaries in USD. The cost of living there is a joke and you don't pay taxes.
The only risk you may face is that they could kill you for the 300 bucks you have in your pocket.
But it's certainly worth the adventure and you won't be begging for good weather.
Working in the USA is great.
You pay far less taxes than in Europe and your airline takes care of your medical insurance. Try the regional carriers, they are taking any candidates with a minimum experience.
This is for Colgan Air:
To be considered for a First Officer position, you must meet the following requirements:
• Possess a High School diploma or GED.
• Valid driver's license.
• Commercial License or Air Transport Pilot Certificate.
• 600 Hours Total Time.
• 100 multi-engine
• Multi-Engine Current & Instrument Current
• Currently hold a FAA First Class Medical Certificate
• Ability to work with the public and under stressful conditions.
• Must be able and willing to relocate to assigned bases.
• Be willing to accept and work with changes in scheduling, including work on
holidays and weekends.
• Must be a U.S. Citizen or have authorization to work in the U.S. as defined
in the Immigrations Act of 1986
Oh and don't be surprised by the multi-engine time requirements.
Under FAA you can log hours as P1 and P2 in VFR on MEP.
The mood in the cockpits in USA is not the same as in Europe where every flying day with a grumpy captain takes you closer to commiting suicide.
The only risk you may face is that they could kill you for the 300 bucks you have in your pocket.
But it's certainly worth the adventure and you won't be begging for good weather.
Working in the USA is great.
You pay far less taxes than in Europe and your airline takes care of your medical insurance. Try the regional carriers, they are taking any candidates with a minimum experience.
This is for Colgan Air:
To be considered for a First Officer position, you must meet the following requirements:
• Possess a High School diploma or GED.
• Valid driver's license.
• Commercial License or Air Transport Pilot Certificate.
• 600 Hours Total Time.
• 100 multi-engine
• Multi-Engine Current & Instrument Current
• Currently hold a FAA First Class Medical Certificate
• Ability to work with the public and under stressful conditions.
• Must be able and willing to relocate to assigned bases.
• Be willing to accept and work with changes in scheduling, including work on
holidays and weekends.
• Must be a U.S. Citizen or have authorization to work in the U.S. as defined
in the Immigrations Act of 1986
Oh and don't be surprised by the multi-engine time requirements.
Under FAA you can log hours as P1 and P2 in VFR on MEP.
The mood in the cockpits in USA is not the same as in Europe where every flying day with a grumpy captain takes you closer to commiting suicide.
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cuz salaries are too low, and you don't make a living in aviation there.
like nichibi says, better to see in Africa.
it pays much better.
like nichibi says, better to see in Africa.
it pays much better.
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Forgive me if I am a small country silly girl (I am from New Zealand) but I thought the way you had to start out was with scenic, parachuting jobs etc...... I never saw another way to it, I graduated with my CPL and IR and I expect to be doing the "small jobs" for the next 3 - 5 years...is it different overseas, can you just walk into an airline job? I have a friend whos father is a captain in the 777's for the main airline in NZ and he hasn't even got a job in an airline!
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Flygirl in Europe due to little to none GA most pilots can get to a airline job with 200 hours. For most students this is the best option, I didn't do it that way and became a CFI; now I'm flying high with a TR being paid for by the company.
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I know what you are talking about Vito, it seems that some people are in the right place at the right time (or they know people..) and progress faster than others. I have been involved in Aviation directly for the last 14 years, and not much has changed on that front. However what I am noticing is that the attitude of the younger pilots is.
I own and operate a small Skydiving operation in North Queensland, Australia and over the last 3-4 years it has become harder to find a pilot to fill the position that I offer. Granted we do not pay a great deal however the hours that are on offer here for the right person are not to be sneezed at. My pilot would gain valuable experience and an additional 400-500 hours a year, this in effect would save a low-time pilot an astronomical amount of money in terms of hire of an aircraft to build hours. I however find it increasingly difficult to find a pilot who would like to take on the challenge of flying in the Skydiving Industry.
I unfortunately cannot afford to pay a lot of money as the Skydiving Industry cannot afford to charge what it likes in a tight fiscal economy. Gone are the glory days for the Industry and we are finding it (like most other Aviation Industry compatriates) somewhat difficult to survive. I myself have to work additional jobs to ensure that I have enough money to live and do the things that I want to do. I am not afraid of hard work, long hours and a little bit of effort along the way to achieving a goal. It seems that the new breed of pilot does just wants it all handed to them without the effort that has been warranted in the past.
2 of our former pilots now work for Cathay on 747's and I could not be more proud in being part of their journey on the way to the goal. Both of those former pilots are people who did the hard yards, one of them working on a cattle property for many years to help build up his time and experienceas a pilot. He is now one of the most rounded, experienced and capable pilots who I have had the pleasure of employing. I am happy to be a small stepping stone on the way to someone's dream job.
I have had people apply for my current position and offer to fly for free ( I do pay my pilots as much as I can without putting the business under any undue financial strain) and others call to tell me I should be ashamed for not paying my pilots $50000 for their first Aviation Job. I am amazed that people would have the gall to phone me to try and abuse me for providing an opportunity to a low-time pilot to build hours and experience.
I tend to employ people on the basis that they are a good person and easy to get along with, hours and experience are secondary in my consideration to employ a pilot. It seems every year there are more and more people that I say no to because they possess the wrong characteristics that I deem essential in Aviation. People with a large ego, "me-centric" people and people who believe that they are owed something by the world all seem to make the wrong decisions when the proverbial "s#@t hits the fan" situation arises in Aviation. I do not wish to employ a pilot who will put me or my clients at risk.
I believe that there are jobs out there as long as pilots are prepared to make some small sacrifices and travel to where they can gleen information, experience and hours.
I, as a skydiver had invested a simular amount of money into achieving my Instructor ratings ($50000) before I could work in the Industry and I am still earning as much as I was 8 years ago, even though the cost of everything has increased by as much as 15-20% over the same period.
I try to be as fair and offer incentives and help my pilots along as much as possible (free airfares home, bonuses, rental assistance etc.) but I still have trouble finding pilots.
I hope you find employment in the not-too-distant future, and your faith in the Aviation Industry is restored. I also hope that you have the opportunity in the future to help out a low-time pilot to achieve their dream job as well.
Best of luck for the future.
I own and operate a small Skydiving operation in North Queensland, Australia and over the last 3-4 years it has become harder to find a pilot to fill the position that I offer. Granted we do not pay a great deal however the hours that are on offer here for the right person are not to be sneezed at. My pilot would gain valuable experience and an additional 400-500 hours a year, this in effect would save a low-time pilot an astronomical amount of money in terms of hire of an aircraft to build hours. I however find it increasingly difficult to find a pilot who would like to take on the challenge of flying in the Skydiving Industry.
I unfortunately cannot afford to pay a lot of money as the Skydiving Industry cannot afford to charge what it likes in a tight fiscal economy. Gone are the glory days for the Industry and we are finding it (like most other Aviation Industry compatriates) somewhat difficult to survive. I myself have to work additional jobs to ensure that I have enough money to live and do the things that I want to do. I am not afraid of hard work, long hours and a little bit of effort along the way to achieving a goal. It seems that the new breed of pilot does just wants it all handed to them without the effort that has been warranted in the past.
2 of our former pilots now work for Cathay on 747's and I could not be more proud in being part of their journey on the way to the goal. Both of those former pilots are people who did the hard yards, one of them working on a cattle property for many years to help build up his time and experienceas a pilot. He is now one of the most rounded, experienced and capable pilots who I have had the pleasure of employing. I am happy to be a small stepping stone on the way to someone's dream job.
I have had people apply for my current position and offer to fly for free ( I do pay my pilots as much as I can without putting the business under any undue financial strain) and others call to tell me I should be ashamed for not paying my pilots $50000 for their first Aviation Job. I am amazed that people would have the gall to phone me to try and abuse me for providing an opportunity to a low-time pilot to build hours and experience.
I tend to employ people on the basis that they are a good person and easy to get along with, hours and experience are secondary in my consideration to employ a pilot. It seems every year there are more and more people that I say no to because they possess the wrong characteristics that I deem essential in Aviation. People with a large ego, "me-centric" people and people who believe that they are owed something by the world all seem to make the wrong decisions when the proverbial "s#@t hits the fan" situation arises in Aviation. I do not wish to employ a pilot who will put me or my clients at risk.
I believe that there are jobs out there as long as pilots are prepared to make some small sacrifices and travel to where they can gleen information, experience and hours.
I, as a skydiver had invested a simular amount of money into achieving my Instructor ratings ($50000) before I could work in the Industry and I am still earning as much as I was 8 years ago, even though the cost of everything has increased by as much as 15-20% over the same period.
I try to be as fair and offer incentives and help my pilots along as much as possible (free airfares home, bonuses, rental assistance etc.) but I still have trouble finding pilots.
I hope you find employment in the not-too-distant future, and your faith in the Aviation Industry is restored. I also hope that you have the opportunity in the future to help out a low-time pilot to achieve their dream job as well.
Best of luck for the future.
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css - you can stare at yourself in the mirror and self-justify all you like but the fact is that you and the rest of the GA industry have been ripping off pilots for years - just because you can.
And because you guys have destroyed the GA piloting industry, guess what - the kids aren't learning to fly any more.
You say you can't afford to pay your pilots properly? Does that mean you don't maintain your aircraft properly? Your pilots should be just as essential an element of your cost of doing business.
You've created the mess you are in - no sympathy at all.
And because you guys have destroyed the GA piloting industry, guess what - the kids aren't learning to fly any more.
You say you can't afford to pay your pilots properly? Does that mean you don't maintain your aircraft properly? Your pilots should be just as essential an element of your cost of doing business.
You've created the mess you are in - no sympathy at all.
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May be may be not
Kids now think they deserve everything and NOW.
HF3000. You are right, MAY BE....
There are good and bad people everywhere, but you do not know CSS, it is a bit arrogant talking like that about this chap!
HF3000. You are right, MAY BE....
There are good and bad people everywhere, but you do not know CSS, it is a bit arrogant talking like that about this chap!
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I thank Always Moving for his comments. I have to agree with his point about not making a general assumption. Just because a certain percentage of the Industry (even if it is a majority) treats their pilots with little or no respect, it is important to get the facts before making such a broad statement.
I know that there is an underlying assumption that everyone in the Skydiving Industry flies around in trashy aircraft, scrimps on the maintenance, and pays and treats their pilots like dirt...however it is not completely true.
If the whole world was to make broad assumptions, then it would assume that by looking at the Leader of the USA, the assumption would be that every one of the 300 Million people in that country are War-Mongers who are concerned for nothing except oil, money and power. I personally can tell you that this is not true.
Please be careful when making assumptions because we all know "Assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups"
I know that there is an underlying assumption that everyone in the Skydiving Industry flies around in trashy aircraft, scrimps on the maintenance, and pays and treats their pilots like dirt...however it is not completely true.
If the whole world was to make broad assumptions, then it would assume that by looking at the Leader of the USA, the assumption would be that every one of the 300 Million people in that country are War-Mongers who are concerned for nothing except oil, money and power. I personally can tell you that this is not true.
Please be careful when making assumptions because we all know "Assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups"
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css - Where were you when I was looking for a job - I can't think of anything i'd like to do more than move to OZ for a couple of years to build up my experienfce throwing people out of an aircraft!
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I can't think of any other profession (except perhaps the Arts!) which requires a few years of working for nothing (or next-to-nothing) to gain experience once qualified in the profession. It should be the responsibility of the industry to provide "graduate" jobs at appropriate pay and conditions just like any other industry.
Supply and demand has made it possible in this country for GA employers to exploit pilots in need of experience - that doesn't make it right. It also makes a career in GA (if you don't want to fly for an airline) a poor one.
But the supply and demand equation has recently changed - GA can't get the pilots they need for the peanuts they have been paying. I say good! The solution is to pay proper wages. If that means it costs an extra couple of bucks to go skydiving, so be it!
Supply and demand has made it possible in this country for GA employers to exploit pilots in need of experience - that doesn't make it right. It also makes a career in GA (if you don't want to fly for an airline) a poor one.
But the supply and demand equation has recently changed - GA can't get the pilots they need for the peanuts they have been paying. I say good! The solution is to pay proper wages. If that means it costs an extra couple of bucks to go skydiving, so be it!
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You know, GA is a bit like the retail industry - it relies on a constant turnover of people who start a small business with dreams (often unrealistic) of success and then gradually go broke - only to have another small retailer spring up in the exact same place with the same business model.
Flying schools rely on kids with dreams and $$ to spend, and those pilots who do stick around after training rely on entry-level GA operators with dreams of business success to help build their hours.
Flying schools rely on kids with dreams and $$ to spend, and those pilots who do stick around after training rely on entry-level GA operators with dreams of business success to help build their hours.
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keep trying ...don give up
keep trying for other airlines ...like in middle east and far east ..they all keep looking for ppl for the jobs
this few airlines need ppl . emirates, etihad, Qatar airways, air asia, and singapore airlines
try to send your resume to this few company i'm sure you will get the job if u dont mind to base in middle eat and far east ..
dont give up...
this few airlines need ppl . emirates, etihad, Qatar airways, air asia, and singapore airlines
try to send your resume to this few company i'm sure you will get the job if u dont mind to base in middle eat and far east ..
dont give up...
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Where are all the jobs?
Just a short positive note, it has been one year since i finished my MCC course, and thankfully i have now started training with Air Baltic on the Fokker F50. It felt like the longest year of my life, and filled with highs and lows, but i kept going, and finally am employed. Yes AB are slow at contacting you, and yes it is cold in Latvia, but where else is a low hour guy getting a paid type raying, with accomodation and pay? Just don't give up your trun will come
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It’s so easy to find a job as an airline pilot if you only have the TR for Boeing 737
Congratulations to you!
I know that Air Baltic have some 737!
I wonder how the market for pilots is today if you don’t have been working as a pilot but if you now have the TR for Boeing 737 300-900 and a total flight time around 1500 hrs?
There is no problem for me to relocate, it’s OK for me to find a job anywhere around this world and of course I want a salary to pay for my living.
I should also be very grateful if someone have links for these companys. I prefer to send my application as an attached file instead of be infront of my computer a couple of hours on line just to fill in the information just for one company.
BRGDS
I know that Air Baltic have some 737!
I wonder how the market for pilots is today if you don’t have been working as a pilot but if you now have the TR for Boeing 737 300-900 and a total flight time around 1500 hrs?
There is no problem for me to relocate, it’s OK for me to find a job anywhere around this world and of course I want a salary to pay for my living.
I should also be very grateful if someone have links for these companys. I prefer to send my application as an attached file instead of be infront of my computer a couple of hours on line just to fill in the information just for one company.
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It seems even if you ace everything on your tests and get amazing grades...your still going to struggle finding a job.
If you say didn't have A-levels and gained your degrees however by an alternative university route AND aced your tests i guess you dont have a chance do you?
The thing is, optimism a side, i was born to be a pilot and if any employer said to me "you are not good enough" i would prove him wrong.
The hardest thing i think is just knowing how to academically attack this situation
If you say didn't have A-levels and gained your degrees however by an alternative university route AND aced your tests i guess you dont have a chance do you?
The thing is, optimism a side, i was born to be a pilot and if any employer said to me "you are not good enough" i would prove him wrong.
The hardest thing i think is just knowing how to academically attack this situation