So where are all the jobs then?
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getting your first job is a process. Find ways to fly other peoples planes - if you are sitting there saying "there are no jobs" and at the same time dont know the names of all the aerial photographic, banner towing, para dropping, glider towing, etc organisations then you are not putting in the effort that justifies spending the money on your licence. Its good to get a flying instruction rating, especially at the moment because you can get paid quite well to do it, but be aware that you dont teach people to fly so that you can accumulate hours. You do it to help people learn to fly and you will be crap at it if you think it simply fills your log book.
Some people do get lucky, some people get jobs through friends and family, but thats not how I did it and its not how most of the guys I know did it. A good friend of mine is an actor. He and I both have jobs that many other people would really like to have and both of us have scraped and clawed our way into these careers. He did years of community type theatre, I did almost 9000 take-offs and landing pulling gliders into the sky.
I read every single CV that I am sent and I reply if I can even if I can't offer anything. I towed gliders for 3 years before I got my CPL in 2000 and got my first job in 2004 (which cost me more to get to than I earned). I'm now fleet manager of a business jet company with 6 aircraft and 4 more due this quarter.
Its a great job, its worth wading through a lot of **** for, and I wish everyone that's trying to make it work out the very best of luck. I'll try to help specific problems but please dont bombard me - fairly busy nowadays..
getting your first job is a process. Find ways to fly other peoples planes - if you are sitting there saying "there are no jobs" and at the same time dont know the names of all the aerial photographic, banner towing, para dropping, glider towing, etc organisations then you are not putting in the effort that justifies spending the money on your licence. Its good to get a flying instruction rating, especially at the moment because you can get paid quite well to do it, but be aware that you dont teach people to fly so that you can accumulate hours. You do it to help people learn to fly and you will be crap at it if you think it simply fills your log book.
Some people do get lucky, some people get jobs through friends and family, but thats not how I did it and its not how most of the guys I know did it. A good friend of mine is an actor. He and I both have jobs that many other people would really like to have and both of us have scraped and clawed our way into these careers. He did years of community type theatre, I did almost 9000 take-offs and landing pulling gliders into the sky.
I read every single CV that I am sent and I reply if I can even if I can't offer anything. I towed gliders for 3 years before I got my CPL in 2000 and got my first job in 2004 (which cost me more to get to than I earned). I'm now fleet manager of a business jet company with 6 aircraft and 4 more due this quarter.
Its a great job, its worth wading through a lot of **** for, and I wish everyone that's trying to make it work out the very best of luck. I'll try to help specific problems but please dont bombard me - fairly busy nowadays..
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Aviators Trading as an option
hey guys.... I am invited to join interview with Aviators Trading ARC.
Anyone made any experience with them.
It seems, they have found a Employer for me....crazy...I have been looking for a Job and no one wanted me with my low hours... and they seem to have made it possible for me...
does anyone know them??? www.aviators-trading.com
thanks guys...
cheers
ps. good luck to everyone with a passion for flying
Anyone made any experience with them.
It seems, they have found a Employer for me....crazy...I have been looking for a Job and no one wanted me with my low hours... and they seem to have made it possible for me...
does anyone know them??? www.aviators-trading.com
thanks guys...
cheers
ps. good luck to everyone with a passion for flying
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No it isnt... I was asking if anyone had experience with them...?? sorry for putting the website here...but maybe some people are searching for jobs like I do... and maybe they have known this company... but thanks anyways for NO HELP here....
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@becky:
take it easy with the folks here. Dont get angry
Yeah, I know the company. I got a job through them.
At that time, they had a different logo and not so professional.
But see for yourself. And remember, NO ADDS here!!!
take it easy with the folks here. Dont get angry
Yeah, I know the company. I got a job through them.
At that time, they had a different logo and not so professional.
But see for yourself. And remember, NO ADDS here!!!
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ähm...okay...whatever mikeyboy...
start reading the content instead of bubbling hot air out of ya.
I said, I find it sad that you guys think I am a agency or stuff...
even if it would have taken a week to answer me...no worries.
but dont look down on me cause i ask a question and place the website here...
but thanks for the good luck...same to you.
@RodJET
thanks for the info!!! feel way better now... could you give me some info?
start reading the content instead of bubbling hot air out of ya.
I said, I find it sad that you guys think I am a agency or stuff...
even if it would have taken a week to answer me...no worries. but dont look down on me cause i ask a question and place the website here...
but thanks for the good luck...same to you.
@RodJET
thanks for the info!!! feel way better now... could you give me some info?
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@ becky
well I am now going to get my second placement for free. Usualy the service is so, that you sign the first contract with all t&c´s and the second placement with Aviators Trading ARC is for free...
but as I know now, there will be a community for Aviators Trading ARC to be opend by a member on pprune.
So hopefully we meet there and you can get mor information.
cheers
well I am now going to get my second placement for free. Usualy the service is so, that you sign the first contract with all t&c´s and the second placement with Aviators Trading ARC is for free...
but as I know now, there will be a community for Aviators Trading ARC to be opend by a member on pprune.
So hopefully we meet there and you can get mor information.
cheers
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Have you been suckered by the Ab_ Initio Sales Department?
I passed my CPL I/R in 2000, MCC in 2001 then Sept 11 happened.... But I kept on flying ( group ownership is a wonderful thing).
I worked full time in another industry, and on my days off I became a part time flying instructor,... and I kept on flying.
I sent out hundreds of CV's and wrote hundreds of letters, and made hundreds of phone calls.
Then the call came... and I missed it 'cause I was working and my phone was off, so I missed out on the interview slot.
But I kept on pestering them, and eventually got an interview ( in the middle of a booked holiday which cost me over £1000 to re-arrange).
But I got a job in the end, and over six and a half years after I "passed my CPL tirst time with over 90% in my written exams".
I am now flying a jet, and I love it!
Was it worth the cost, effort and broken relationships? ...well the jury is still out on that one - ask me in 10 years.
However, I'm sure all my "life" experiences will make me a better Captain when I get to the coveted Left Seat. - More so than walking out of an ab-initio course with 200 hrs, and straight into the RHS of a jet. .... At least I hope so!
I worked full time in another industry, and on my days off I became a part time flying instructor,... and I kept on flying.
I sent out hundreds of CV's and wrote hundreds of letters, and made hundreds of phone calls.
Then the call came... and I missed it 'cause I was working and my phone was off, so I missed out on the interview slot.
But I kept on pestering them, and eventually got an interview ( in the middle of a booked holiday which cost me over £1000 to re-arrange).
But I got a job in the end, and over six and a half years after I "passed my CPL tirst time with over 90% in my written exams".
I am now flying a jet, and I love it!
Was it worth the cost, effort and broken relationships? ...well the jury is still out on that one - ask me in 10 years.
However, I'm sure all my "life" experiences will make me a better Captain when I get to the coveted Left Seat. - More so than walking out of an ab-initio course with 200 hrs, and straight into the RHS of a jet. .... At least I hope so!
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Just to say something thats relevent to the original question on tis thread (at least i think it is)...The CTC ATP scheme is open again for applications.
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However, I'm sure all my "life" experiences will make me a better Captain when I get to the coveted Left Seat. - More so than walking out of an ab-initio course with 200 hrs, and straight into the RHS of a jet.
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Its really funny reading all your guys comments, i'm taking the general assumption that most people replying on this thread are european based.
In Australia unless your one of the very very lucky ones, who get a rare sponsership with QF, you are bound to GA for the first couple of years of your aviation life, if you tried to tell an Australian GA pilot that your spent your 40k have approx 200hrs, been waiting 6 months for an Airline job, they would just laugh at you, get an instructor who has been plugging away at it for a couple of years with over 1000hrs instructional time on a bad day, they would just punch you in the face.
In Australia unless your one of the very very lucky ones, who get a rare sponsership with QF, you are bound to GA for the first couple of years of your aviation life, if you tried to tell an Australian GA pilot that your spent your 40k have approx 200hrs, been waiting 6 months for an Airline job, they would just laugh at you, get an instructor who has been plugging away at it for a couple of years with over 1000hrs instructional time on a bad day, they would just punch you in the face.
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Good morning all.
I started flying in the mid eighties, and came through the "self-improver" route, an expression i have always been uncomfortable with. In the early days of hours building things were tough but not unbearable. I would say that the 4 months living in a minging caravan, towing gliders for 30 quid a week was the lowest point, but it got me nearly 300 hours which led to a slightly less unpalatable job and so on.
Last weekend i returned to the airfield where my career started with PPL and later 2 years instructing, and got to meet the latest group of future airline pilots. Upon hearing i was now a Captain on the 340 for a UK carrier, i was bombarded with the usual questions, which i was reassured to found out are exactly the same as 20 years ago. Not long after my PPL i was working at the club de-icing the cessna's at 7 in the morning etc. and met a senior skipper with Brittania. His advice? Take all the s$$t thrown at you, beg, borrow, or steal any flying you can. Moody charters, glider towing, re-fueling, anything that enables you to make contact with people further up the food tree.
I naturally passed this advice on, only to be met with a series of aghast looks from 4 of these guys, but one gentleman nodding wisely. I came away a couple of pints later with a feeling that everyone wants everything NOW. Sadly, aviation doesn't work that way, and never will as long as the sun rises in the East. I detect a feeling that some trainees expect to move straight onto a nice shiny 320 with 200 hours on a PA28 and all is well, and that a turboprop out of some 2nd tier airport is somehow below them. I can tell you here and now that that attitude will be detected early on, to the detrement of your career. The one gentleman who was nodding with me, is probably as we speak cleaning a hangar floor somewhere and making tea for the engineers, and will quite likely be sitting next to me at work 10 years from now. I look forward to it.
Brgds
I started flying in the mid eighties, and came through the "self-improver" route, an expression i have always been uncomfortable with. In the early days of hours building things were tough but not unbearable. I would say that the 4 months living in a minging caravan, towing gliders for 30 quid a week was the lowest point, but it got me nearly 300 hours which led to a slightly less unpalatable job and so on.
Last weekend i returned to the airfield where my career started with PPL and later 2 years instructing, and got to meet the latest group of future airline pilots. Upon hearing i was now a Captain on the 340 for a UK carrier, i was bombarded with the usual questions, which i was reassured to found out are exactly the same as 20 years ago. Not long after my PPL i was working at the club de-icing the cessna's at 7 in the morning etc. and met a senior skipper with Brittania. His advice? Take all the s$$t thrown at you, beg, borrow, or steal any flying you can. Moody charters, glider towing, re-fueling, anything that enables you to make contact with people further up the food tree.
I naturally passed this advice on, only to be met with a series of aghast looks from 4 of these guys, but one gentleman nodding wisely. I came away a couple of pints later with a feeling that everyone wants everything NOW. Sadly, aviation doesn't work that way, and never will as long as the sun rises in the East. I detect a feeling that some trainees expect to move straight onto a nice shiny 320 with 200 hours on a PA28 and all is well, and that a turboprop out of some 2nd tier airport is somehow below them. I can tell you here and now that that attitude will be detected early on, to the detrement of your career. The one gentleman who was nodding with me, is probably as we speak cleaning a hangar floor somewhere and making tea for the engineers, and will quite likely be sitting next to me at work 10 years from now. I look forward to it.
Brgds
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4engines4longhaul... wise words indeed my friend.
I am shortly to be embarking on such a journey. ATPL studies commence imminently along with hour building and I'm arranging a job in ground ops to keep things ticking over until I get my instructor ticket. After that, who knows what will come along, advanced instruction and air taxi/charter sounds good to me.
I am shortly to be embarking on such a journey. ATPL studies commence imminently along with hour building and I'm arranging a job in ground ops to keep things ticking over until I get my instructor ticket. After that, who knows what will come along, advanced instruction and air taxi/charter sounds good to me.
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The very best of luck to you. Ops/crewing/ramp are all excellent breeding grounds for the next generation. I would guard against thinking now that air taxi is as far as you want to go. Aim as far as you can, but always enjoy what you have. See you in a few years
The very best of luck to you. Ops/crewing/ramp are all excellent breeding grounds for the next generation. I would guard against thinking now that air taxi is as far as you want to go. Aim as far as you can, but always enjoy what you have. See you in a few years
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why work when u can fly!
I was an Agpilot for 25 years,round flat and turbine,as some agpilots can read & some can write not many can do both simultaneously.. then "upgraded" to Twotters for next 3000hours then got to old.
I was an Agpilot for 25 years,round flat and turbine,as some agpilots can read & some can write not many can do both simultaneously.. then "upgraded" to Twotters for next 3000hours then got to old.
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I haven't even branched out as far as the training yet and as such remain in high school doing what I can....
However, there is one snag in the form of finance.
You seem to be one who has recently finished training so could you tell me how you managed to pay in?
Regards.
However, there is one snag in the form of finance.
You seem to be one who has recently finished training so could you tell me how you managed to pay in?
Regards.