Global Warming; should I still go ahead with training?
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You all question his maturity, but when you can't even post an informative response to a simple question I would be questioning yours.
I don't see why it is wrong at all to be asking a question like this, aviation is a part of global warming and is likely to be affected some way or another in the near future. It is only logical to be taking that into account when starting a career in the aviation industry!
I don't see why it is wrong at all to be asking a question like this, aviation is a part of global warming and is likely to be affected some way or another in the near future. It is only logical to be taking that into account when starting a career in the aviation industry!
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For the last two decades industries that are deemed polluters have had to deal with some form or the other of taxation, whether that is a tradable quota system or direct taxation, which ultimately is passed onto the consumer.
One of the reasons why the first post was humourous, in my opinion anyway, is that it demonstrated considerable naivity into what exactly is the aviation industry for governments and the economy.
Aviation to an economy is not simply about BA Plc etc, nor is it about the cost of x,y,z flight of an airline. The aviation industry generates billions of pounds in business and tourism for the United Kingdom. If you want the economics, it effectively boosts aggregrate demand. Jobs in this country are dependent indirectly on the airline industry, the industry after all connects the World. London is one of the world's major financial centres, obliviate the airline industry through taxation and London starts to become less competitive. If you don't believe me, try and find some statistics at how much international businesses spend and invest in London, look at how much US tourists alone spend in the UK.
Additionally, London is the world's equity market and due to Sarbanes Oxley in the US, international companies from around the world are flocking to London. How do advisors, such as lawyers, accountants, brokers, book runners and pr advisors attract companies to London and generate their fees<?>, they hop on an aircraft, travel abroad and pitch to these companies about the benefits of London.
Don't be fooled by sensationalist headlines.
S
One of the reasons why the first post was humourous, in my opinion anyway, is that it demonstrated considerable naivity into what exactly is the aviation industry for governments and the economy.
Aviation to an economy is not simply about BA Plc etc, nor is it about the cost of x,y,z flight of an airline. The aviation industry generates billions of pounds in business and tourism for the United Kingdom. If you want the economics, it effectively boosts aggregrate demand. Jobs in this country are dependent indirectly on the airline industry, the industry after all connects the World. London is one of the world's major financial centres, obliviate the airline industry through taxation and London starts to become less competitive. If you don't believe me, try and find some statistics at how much international businesses spend and invest in London, look at how much US tourists alone spend in the UK.
Additionally, London is the world's equity market and due to Sarbanes Oxley in the US, international companies from around the world are flocking to London. How do advisors, such as lawyers, accountants, brokers, book runners and pr advisors attract companies to London and generate their fees<?>, they hop on an aircraft, travel abroad and pitch to these companies about the benefits of London.
Don't be fooled by sensationalist headlines.
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Well done Weasley Welshman on joining the many who seem to think your years of experience give you right to slam young enthusiasm with unreasonable comments. Try using your obviously far greater knowledge of the subject to guide and encourage the youngster - I'm sure you were far wiser at his age and understood newspapers and political slant with much greater ability; hmmm, I think not.
Who cares what he knows about the industry at present, he's 20 and it's clear he wants to fly and that should be enough for now - the rest will come with time. A few cold feet before he throws away a lot of his parents' money shows maturity, and his thoughts, no matter how likely to occur, are quite reasonable given the level of 'green' debating in our headlines.
Are we jealous that 'Mummy and Daddy' are paying for him? Good luck I say, I wish I had been given that opportunity at his age.
p.s. Don't apologise for being miserable, it's expected of the Welsh.
UKP - As a military man wishing to cross form the dark side into the civilian airline industry, I envy your position. I must admit that similar thoughts have crossed my mind, but a little resoning, most of which is evident in some of the more helpful posts above, allows me to dismiss the issue.
You never know what will happen tomorrow; grab this opportunity now while you have the chance, but remember to be ever grateful to your parents - you lucky git!!
Good luck fella, I hope to join you in the future.
Who cares what he knows about the industry at present, he's 20 and it's clear he wants to fly and that should be enough for now - the rest will come with time. A few cold feet before he throws away a lot of his parents' money shows maturity, and his thoughts, no matter how likely to occur, are quite reasonable given the level of 'green' debating in our headlines.
Are we jealous that 'Mummy and Daddy' are paying for him? Good luck I say, I wish I had been given that opportunity at his age.
p.s. Don't apologise for being miserable, it's expected of the Welsh.
UKP - As a military man wishing to cross form the dark side into the civilian airline industry, I envy your position. I must admit that similar thoughts have crossed my mind, but a little resoning, most of which is evident in some of the more helpful posts above, allows me to dismiss the issue.
You never know what will happen tomorrow; grab this opportunity now while you have the chance, but remember to be ever grateful to your parents - you lucky git!!
Good luck fella, I hope to join you in the future.
UKPPLC, I thought I'd have a look and see if you've posted your thoughts. I'd be keen to read them after you've read the advice you have received, it must be bewildering. I hope it has been helpful.
roll_over, you accuse the respondents of doubting the posters maturity. Please read again my post. In my opening paragraph I commend him for having the maturity to seek advice in order to make an informed decision.
MAD Boom, whoa there! please don't round on WWW. Whilst he did fire a considerable broadside, he makes points which need thinking about.
From my perspective in an airline which is probably still recruiting, I have to tell you the the pilots we give jobs too are all "stand-out characters"
Incredibly smart, often with not just one degree, sometimes a second, with PHDs not uncommon. They are personable, a delight to fly with, and spend time with, mature and often coming into flying as a second career. At interview they do just that - stand out!
WWW's point is simple; we don't take people just because they have been given a licence. His reference to sentence construction, and grammar points out a possible shortcoming in education, qualifications, background, C.V., which may make it difficult to obtain a job in a decent company with decent salary, conditions, and working practices. Those "stand-out characters" may well snaffle the top spots.
This is a tough world, and nowadays you have got to be the best you can be. I think some of the reasonable replies to UKPPLC have touched on that point.
Lastly, remember it is not just global warming, whether it exists or not. Consider other factors, the economy, the public's disposable income. The cost, and possible future scarcity of oil supplies. The future tax climate. Will it all foster the contnued growth that we wish for our industry, and at the end of the day, will your sums add up?
Many of us have had fine careers. I sincerely wish the same good fortune to the pilots who will take my place.
UKPPLC, whilst I wish you well with your decision, don't be scared to delay, go to university, get a darned good degree which will stand you in good stead for a future in a desperately uncertain business, and then look at your decision again.
Then, I believe you will also be a "stand-out character"
Cheers,
BSD.
roll_over, you accuse the respondents of doubting the posters maturity. Please read again my post. In my opening paragraph I commend him for having the maturity to seek advice in order to make an informed decision.
MAD Boom, whoa there! please don't round on WWW. Whilst he did fire a considerable broadside, he makes points which need thinking about.
From my perspective in an airline which is probably still recruiting, I have to tell you the the pilots we give jobs too are all "stand-out characters"
Incredibly smart, often with not just one degree, sometimes a second, with PHDs not uncommon. They are personable, a delight to fly with, and spend time with, mature and often coming into flying as a second career. At interview they do just that - stand out!
WWW's point is simple; we don't take people just because they have been given a licence. His reference to sentence construction, and grammar points out a possible shortcoming in education, qualifications, background, C.V., which may make it difficult to obtain a job in a decent company with decent salary, conditions, and working practices. Those "stand-out characters" may well snaffle the top spots.
This is a tough world, and nowadays you have got to be the best you can be. I think some of the reasonable replies to UKPPLC have touched on that point.
Lastly, remember it is not just global warming, whether it exists or not. Consider other factors, the economy, the public's disposable income. The cost, and possible future scarcity of oil supplies. The future tax climate. Will it all foster the contnued growth that we wish for our industry, and at the end of the day, will your sums add up?
Many of us have had fine careers. I sincerely wish the same good fortune to the pilots who will take my place.
UKPPLC, whilst I wish you well with your decision, don't be scared to delay, go to university, get a darned good degree which will stand you in good stead for a future in a desperately uncertain business, and then look at your decision again.
Then, I believe you will also be a "stand-out character"
Cheers,
BSD.
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I would be more concerned with the upward trend in interest rates and people mortgaging houses etc than the threat of global warning to be honest.
Banks don't withdraw fixed rate mortgages for no reason!
Banks don't withdraw fixed rate mortgages for no reason!
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Thanks for your comments BSD.
I completely agree that the industry, as well as in the military, will select the 'stand out characters' for it's top slots. My point was that UKPPLC is still young, with ample chance to develop. WWW seemed to be adopting a 'don't even bother' attitude to someone who had a genuine concern.
I would certainly offer the advice of 'be the best you can be' before applying, and a I agree that in this day and age a degree would help. However, it is not the be all and end all; UKPPLC is in a very fortunate position in terms of financial support, and seems to have decided on his career path. In his shoes, I think I would be doing the same. Who knows, he may already stand out; something you cannot really tell from just a single post on a thread.
I completely agree that the industry, as well as in the military, will select the 'stand out characters' for it's top slots. My point was that UKPPLC is still young, with ample chance to develop. WWW seemed to be adopting a 'don't even bother' attitude to someone who had a genuine concern.
I would certainly offer the advice of 'be the best you can be' before applying, and a I agree that in this day and age a degree would help. However, it is not the be all and end all; UKPPLC is in a very fortunate position in terms of financial support, and seems to have decided on his career path. In his shoes, I think I would be doing the same. Who knows, he may already stand out; something you cannot really tell from just a single post on a thread.
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UKPPLC, your concerne about the environment is valid so my advice is to go for it while the opportunity is still there! It's great fun to fly as you know, and it'll be worth it.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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In my opinion, through a combination of interdependent factors:
- emissions trading
- taxes
- voluntary capacity restraint by airlines
- some ‘conscience-driven’ changes in the market
the amount of air travel in x years will be y% lower than it would otherwise have been. Which means ~y% fewer jobs than there would otherwise have been.
There will still be jobs, possibly more than there are today as the industry could still grow, albeit at a much slower rate. It’s also entirely likely that much of the y% will come through weaker airlines quitting the market, leaving the survivors stronger. Who knows? T’n’Cs might even improve.
- emissions trading
- taxes
- voluntary capacity restraint by airlines
- some ‘conscience-driven’ changes in the market
the amount of air travel in x years will be y% lower than it would otherwise have been. Which means ~y% fewer jobs than there would otherwise have been.
There will still be jobs, possibly more than there are today as the industry could still grow, albeit at a much slower rate. It’s also entirely likely that much of the y% will come through weaker airlines quitting the market, leaving the survivors stronger. Who knows? T’n’Cs might even improve.
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I have lttle patience with those who, despite having found a source of information as vast and as comprehensive as Pprune, make absolutely no effort to research the subject before blundering in with an ill-thought-through question. I make allowances for age and lack of experience, but I don't see it as my 'job' here to drag the more inadequate Wannabes up to an acceptable standard. Quite the opposite, in fact: there are far more of you than there are jobs for you to go to, therefore it is in your interest that I discourage those who, for whatever reason, I feel are not likely to make the grade. There will still be hundreds of perfectly acceptable candidates applying for every job!
This facility is here to aid you in getting to the truth of professional flying training, and the process of gaining a job. It provides you with the information, but it's not here to spoonfeed you, or to hold your hand while you try the water. It is up to you to do the research yourself, to search for what has been said before, and to apply a reasoning, critical and intelligent mind to what you find. Those who, wide-eyed and innocent, simply believe the Daily Mail-type headlines of 'aviation crisis looms due new taxes' are not ready for or suited to the rigours of training for this profession. They may become so, but that is for them to sort out, not me.
Now, the issue of aviation and emissions of greenhouse gases, and how the world tackles that problem, is an interesting one and it's provoking discussion in far more august forums than this one. I have no doubt that some draconian measures will be proposed - and will be rejected. The fact is that this business is fundamental to the health of the world's economy, and will continue to expand. The rate of expansion may be restricted - particularly in the West - but expand it most certainly will. The taxes proposed or applied will have little effect on the travelling public - indeed, they are designed not to! The UK government has no wish to deter people from travelling; it doesn't even intend to invest the extra tax income in research to alleviate aviation emissions. It simply wishes to raise more money to spend on other things.
Aviation emissions will be tackled by the application of technology to the problem. In the UK, at least, that technology will be paid for entirely by industry. Other countries may use taxation to fund research, but not UK. If (and it's by no means certain) anthropomorphic contibutions to the total of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are a significant factor in global warming, then the science will demand that the greatest contributors are tackled first and hardest. Aviation is nowhere near that - it's not even in the third division. If, on the other hand, it turns out that man's contributions to the total of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is not significant, and that natural causes are to blame, and are uncontrollable, it matters little what aviation does to improve its record. Either way, aviation is not a major player in this question and is unlikely to be seriously affected in the short to medium term - unless the sensationalist press decides to encourage uninformed public opinion to turn against the industry.
Of course, while all this is going on, aviation is subject to the normal economic roller-coaster, and could quite easily have the stuffing knocked out of it by a recession in the USA, or another 9/11, long before (and to a far greater extent than if) global warming measures seriously affects it. To that end, anyone entering flying training is taking a risk - just ask those who graduated in October 2001.
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PS. For Global Warming argument, please go here. Wannabes is not the place to discuss it.
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I have lttle patience with those who, despite having found a source of information as vast and as comprehensive as Pprune, make absolutely no effort to research the subject before blundering in with an ill-thought-through question. I make allowances for age and lack of experience, but I don't see it as my 'job' here to drag the more inadequate Wannabes up to an acceptable standard..
Sorry to get involved but I find your opinion voiced above a bit harsh.
I appreciate that nobody here wants to play babysitter but I don't believe that's what's wanted either.
So the question could have been better researched and was maybe ill-thought-through. So what?! We are all not perfect and at one point or another we have all asked a 'stupid' question.
I personally believe it's better if somebody asks for advice and guidance (and that's not asking for babysitting) than just go ahead and do something ill-thought-through. At least by asking, he (or she) will have a chance to learn!
You say you are allowing for age and lack of experience...not very much though! I don't know if you can still remember being 20 but I know I still had a lot of mistakes ahead of me. Well, I guess, I still have, at that.
I think it shows at least some sort interest in trying to do the right thing to ask the question in the first place. So he didn't research, maybe next time he will! But at least he asked!
Besides, the question was asked...and lot's of people replied...out of their own free will. Nobody made them answer and if they would think the question wasn't worth answering I'm sure they wouldn't have bothered.
That's just my opinion...but I hope if I ever need somebody to allow for my age and lack of experience or my next 'stupid' question I find somebody with a bit more patience than yours.
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Sorry scroggs, I haven't read your post.
Actually, now I now have.. I couldn't help myself.
I have seen too many of your ridiculously long posts, it's too late and I'm too tired.
Quite frankly you have been doing this job too long. you are now engaged on "wannabe autopilot".. repeat after me kiddies
"you know nothing"
"you are nothing"
"read the sticky"
"Aren't you stupid"
"respect PPRuNe and it's rules"
Repeat as neccesary
Sarcasm aside Scroggs (and don't expect me to use none after your first post), I think you have grossly taken the whole thing out of context.
I don't wish you to do anything, never even suggested it.
No-one expects that, no-one asked for that.
How utterly condescending. I am supprised you think people are looking to you to raise their standards.
I'm sure he just asked about the future of the airline industry...
I wouldn't hesitate to say you are becoming bitter. You are sick of the next generation of wannabes coming on and asking the same question.
Isn't it a shame we're not all as blessed as you?
Remeber, you may be what these kids aspire to be, but you're still just a voice on a forum.
(please, feel free to correct my spelling/grammar if you have nothing else to do)
Actually, now I now have.. I couldn't help myself.
I have seen too many of your ridiculously long posts, it's too late and I'm too tired.
Quite frankly you have been doing this job too long. you are now engaged on "wannabe autopilot".. repeat after me kiddies
"you know nothing"
"you are nothing"
"read the sticky"
"Aren't you stupid"
"respect PPRuNe and it's rules"
Repeat as neccesary
Sarcasm aside Scroggs (and don't expect me to use none after your first post), I think you have grossly taken the whole thing out of context.
When you start paying me - and I accept a contract with you - I'll start doing as you wish
I am not here to blow bubbles up the backsides of those who want reassurance, nor to say what you want to hear.
I make allowances for age and lack of experience, but I don't see it as my 'job' here to drag the more inadequate Wannabes up to an acceptable standard
there are far more of you than there are jobs for you to go to, therefore it is in your interest that I discourage those who, for whatever reason, I feel are not likely to make the grade.
I wouldn't hesitate to say you are becoming bitter. You are sick of the next generation of wannabes coming on and asking the same question.
Isn't it a shame we're not all as blessed as you?
Remeber, you may be what these kids aspire to be, but you're still just a voice on a forum.
(please, feel free to correct my spelling/grammar if you have nothing else to do)
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Kero, you take yourself pretty seriously don't you? I guess your many years (all 19 of them!) have made you the font of all wisdom!
Apparently you calling scroggs bitter is the old pot & kettle syndrome.
I originally posted a 'helpful' reply to your mate ukpplc however at the time I was suspicious that the question seemed OTT, naive, a wind up or even the work of a troll.
Where is ukpplc anyway, the question is posted and the thread starter disappears!
Have a nice cuppa Kero and a little Valium, it will make you feel better.
Apparently you calling scroggs bitter is the old pot & kettle syndrome.
I originally posted a 'helpful' reply to your mate ukpplc however at the time I was suspicious that the question seemed OTT, naive, a wind up or even the work of a troll.
Where is ukpplc anyway, the question is posted and the thread starter disappears!
Have a nice cuppa Kero and a little Valium, it will make you feel better.
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Kerosine, I really don't care whether you like what I say or not. I moderate this forum for the benefit of the majority who will use it as intended - as a source of information to fuel their research. I do not do it to make myself popular, particularly with young people who feel that they are owed something by Pprune or by me.
This facility is here because old farts like me put in the effort to provide it. Unlike the schools, we do not provide glossy brochures full of meaningless marketing speak. Neither do we promise you that everything will be ok, and that all you have to do is get a licence and you'll be provided with a high-paying job. Instead, we give you the truth, with every wart on view.
Part of that truth is that this is a hard world, and a hard profession, which requires intelligence, initiative, determination, resourcefulness and resilience to enter and survive in. People who just want a nice time won't get very far, and people who aren't very bright (whether or not they have a sackful of qualifications) are wasting their time. It's better that they know that before they spend up to £100,000 of their, or their parents', money.
I will encourage those who display the qualities needed in this job - or at least don't display those that are not needed! I will not encourage those who show through their posts that they are not yet (and may never be) ready to join it. Why should I?
Scroggs
This facility is here because old farts like me put in the effort to provide it. Unlike the schools, we do not provide glossy brochures full of meaningless marketing speak. Neither do we promise you that everything will be ok, and that all you have to do is get a licence and you'll be provided with a high-paying job. Instead, we give you the truth, with every wart on view.
Part of that truth is that this is a hard world, and a hard profession, which requires intelligence, initiative, determination, resourcefulness and resilience to enter and survive in. People who just want a nice time won't get very far, and people who aren't very bright (whether or not they have a sackful of qualifications) are wasting their time. It's better that they know that before they spend up to £100,000 of their, or their parents', money.
I will encourage those who display the qualities needed in this job - or at least don't display those that are not needed! I will not encourage those who show through their posts that they are not yet (and may never be) ready to join it. Why should I?
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Ah come on scroggs, you're not an old fart. Oh, I agree with what you're saying about PPRuNe and about how it should be layed out for us wannabes to see 'warts and all'. We're not the scum of the aviation industry, as we are often treated, for asking questions that should not be asked. Where is progress in that?
If I have misunderstood the following moderators guidelines correct me (no sarcasm intended).
- If it was irrelavent/pointless, delete it.
- If it was answered somewhere else, insert link, then delete.
- If relevant discussion took place, but another thread covers the topic, merge it.
I wouldn't have posted on this thread if I felt the harshness of the replys was warranted.
Cheers Scroggs,
Hasta luego
(and btw ABX, I got no where near enough sleep)
If I have misunderstood the following moderators guidelines correct me (no sarcasm intended).
- If it was irrelavent/pointless, delete it.
- If it was answered somewhere else, insert link, then delete.
- If relevant discussion took place, but another thread covers the topic, merge it.
I wouldn't have posted on this thread if I felt the harshness of the replys was warranted.
Cheers Scroggs,
Hasta luego
(and btw ABX, I got no where near enough sleep)
Yep, I can be harsh. And unfair.
I hope all Wannabes do well and succeed. After all, thats why I'v been here for 7 years long after I stopped being a Wannabe.
Part of the role is to encourage and provide useful information and advice. But its a massive task and Scroggs and I cannot do it ourselves as it would take all day and be very tedious.
What we can and do do is encourage debate. We motivate people to wade in with counter arguments or supporting ones. I often do it by calling a spade a bloody shovel and that causes indignation or delight in roughly equal measure. YOU then all barrel in with your comment and thus a lot of material is produced for the orginal poster. I can't do it too often else it becomes an obvious formula.
There's a bit to this moderating business you know..
Anyway, the lad in question doesn't know enough about what he's about to write cheques for and would benefit from being told so. Which is what I did. A few more years getting to grips with the business and maturing and saving some of his own money would be advisable before taking the plunge. I think.
Cheers
WWW
I hope all Wannabes do well and succeed. After all, thats why I'v been here for 7 years long after I stopped being a Wannabe.
Part of the role is to encourage and provide useful information and advice. But its a massive task and Scroggs and I cannot do it ourselves as it would take all day and be very tedious.
What we can and do do is encourage debate. We motivate people to wade in with counter arguments or supporting ones. I often do it by calling a spade a bloody shovel and that causes indignation or delight in roughly equal measure. YOU then all barrel in with your comment and thus a lot of material is produced for the orginal poster. I can't do it too often else it becomes an obvious formula.
There's a bit to this moderating business you know..
Anyway, the lad in question doesn't know enough about what he's about to write cheques for and would benefit from being told so. Which is what I did. A few more years getting to grips with the business and maturing and saving some of his own money would be advisable before taking the plunge. I think.
Cheers
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Hey ukpplc
Surely if you already have your ppl with NQ and IMC, and a good chunk of hours, you are in a position where you could have your ticket for a lot less than you and your parents have calculated.
I guess Scroggs is right, there are a lot of questions repeated on these forums and it must be pretty frustrating!
It is of concern that you still seem to think that you need to spend that amount of money at your stage, you know the place I found to be the most valuable source of info, was actually my flight school that I did my ppl with at good old Biggin Hill, the guys and girls there were and probably still are great, most are young and instructing as a method of hour building in prep for that all important airline job, so they have done it all already and will be more than willing to help!
I too question the validity of all this talk of Global Warming, I feel that we still don't understand it nearly enough, and although I agree that we are having an affect on our enviroment it does seem like just another way to make money out of us without doing anything constructive with said money!
Anyway all the best mate!
Cheers
Ant
Surely if you already have your ppl with NQ and IMC, and a good chunk of hours, you are in a position where you could have your ticket for a lot less than you and your parents have calculated.
I guess Scroggs is right, there are a lot of questions repeated on these forums and it must be pretty frustrating!
It is of concern that you still seem to think that you need to spend that amount of money at your stage, you know the place I found to be the most valuable source of info, was actually my flight school that I did my ppl with at good old Biggin Hill, the guys and girls there were and probably still are great, most are young and instructing as a method of hour building in prep for that all important airline job, so they have done it all already and will be more than willing to help!
I too question the validity of all this talk of Global Warming, I feel that we still don't understand it nearly enough, and although I agree that we are having an affect on our enviroment it does seem like just another way to make money out of us without doing anything constructive with said money!
Anyway all the best mate!
Cheers
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To go back to what UKPPLC originally posted......whatever you do take NO notice of some of the cr@p thats has been swilled your way!! 50% of it can go in the trash!
As previously mentioned, you would be wasting your money on an integrated course, go modular!! Oxfords waypoint programme looks ideal for you...it is semi-integrated in a way!
There is 1 thing no-one has mentioned! WHY ARE YOU NOT LOOKING AT OTHER SCHOOLS?? Cabair are also a highly respected school within the industry, and if you are obsessed with integrated how about FTE in Jerez?
I am in the middle of my PPL, and intend to follow the modular path. Why? Because I am not paying the likes of Oxford £25000 extra to give me career assistance, because thats what its all about!
Oxford are classed as 'the best' (they do have a fantastic setup), but they are only as good as you are.
I have spent 5 years (am 27) working within airline operations, learning the industry inside and out, making good friends with FO's and CP's, and sourcing much needed advice! That to me is what its all about!
I quickly realised that with the re-payments an integrated course demands, if I didn't get a jet job within a year (max), my life would be in financial ruins...ruins that I would never recover from. If it doesn't work for you your parents lives will be in financial ruins.......respect what they are doing for you, but take the modualr option! If you are good enough, you will get a job wherever you train...but you need an ENORMOUS amount of motivation to get you there!
I can continue with my modular route without TOO much financial worry, and if I am lucky enough to gety a job on a dash or similar I will be the happiest man in the world.....I will also be able to afford my repayments. Go to oxford if you want....and then turn down a turboprop job because the salary wont cover your re-payments! Oh what pleasure.
You may live with mummy and daddy now, but as soon as you land that first job you are going to want and need independancy, something you wont be able to afford with a £600+ a month repayment!
All the best.....learn to be a good pilot.....and get yourself the personality required to do the job.....because thats the hard part...
As previously mentioned, you would be wasting your money on an integrated course, go modular!! Oxfords waypoint programme looks ideal for you...it is semi-integrated in a way!
There is 1 thing no-one has mentioned! WHY ARE YOU NOT LOOKING AT OTHER SCHOOLS?? Cabair are also a highly respected school within the industry, and if you are obsessed with integrated how about FTE in Jerez?
I am in the middle of my PPL, and intend to follow the modular path. Why? Because I am not paying the likes of Oxford £25000 extra to give me career assistance, because thats what its all about!
Oxford are classed as 'the best' (they do have a fantastic setup), but they are only as good as you are.
I have spent 5 years (am 27) working within airline operations, learning the industry inside and out, making good friends with FO's and CP's, and sourcing much needed advice! That to me is what its all about!
I quickly realised that with the re-payments an integrated course demands, if I didn't get a jet job within a year (max), my life would be in financial ruins...ruins that I would never recover from. If it doesn't work for you your parents lives will be in financial ruins.......respect what they are doing for you, but take the modualr option! If you are good enough, you will get a job wherever you train...but you need an ENORMOUS amount of motivation to get you there!
I can continue with my modular route without TOO much financial worry, and if I am lucky enough to gety a job on a dash or similar I will be the happiest man in the world.....I will also be able to afford my repayments. Go to oxford if you want....and then turn down a turboprop job because the salary wont cover your re-payments! Oh what pleasure.
You may live with mummy and daddy now, but as soon as you land that first job you are going to want and need independancy, something you wont be able to afford with a £600+ a month repayment!
All the best.....learn to be a good pilot.....and get yourself the personality required to do the job.....because thats the hard part...
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Racist isn't the clever way to go about this.
I am 90% sure that he's not Welsh .. maybe WWW can clear that up?
Last edited by AlphaMale; 29th Jan 2007 at 15:30.
Aye, Jones the Airport I was. Dad was Jones the Garage and Mum Jones the Bank. Welsher than a slice of dragon on Rarebit me. Though my accent is distinctly Surrey but that's common in Mid Wales.
Youngsters about to Swan off to Oxford with their parents money need saving from themselves. At least until they can demonstrate they've got a clue about the industry.
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Youngsters about to Swan off to Oxford with their parents money need saving from themselves. At least until they can demonstrate they've got a clue about the industry.
Cheers
WWW