Oxford Aviation Training (OAT) - Who has got a job?
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Try posting on OAT's forums, obviously keep it polite, etc. as it is their forum and you dont want to upset them, but you usually get people from OAT on there, they may be able to help.
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Some shall we call them, less than trustworthy, FTO's also include guys on conversions in their success stories. Generally these are guys with thousands of hours of TP/jet time, many with command experience and some who have a job lined up subject to passing the ATPL ground school & CPL/IR conversion. Not sure if this is applicable at all to OAT (probably not) but you really have to be careful if you ask "how many of your students get jobs within x period of time".
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Originally Posted by LeeH88
Try posting on OAT's forums, obviously keep it polite, etc. as it is their forum and you dont want to upset them, but you usually get people from OAT on there, they may be able to help.
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SBAB - on this post http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...76#post2485476 you mentioned that you had one interview. Out of interest was that set up by Oxford or did you get the interview through your own iniative. I personally think it is time that you picked up the phone to Oxford and said "remember me - I am still looking for a job, can I please come in for a chat"
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SBAB. Sorry to hear that you are still looking. Most OAT graduates have got jobs quite quickly in 2006. They were recommended for interviews by OAT with either the airline direct or via GECAT. The airlines like the recommendation route and use it a lot. This is the route most OAT guys get their first placement.
Go back and talk to OAT again, you may have just fallen off their radar.
If they don't help you, then let this forum know with both barrels.
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Go back and talk to OAT again, you may have just fallen off their radar.
If they don't help you, then let this forum know with both barrels.
Best wishes
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what to do???
I am currently looking at training at oat, have my skills assesment booked in august. after reading the posts i'm really not sure with what to do!!! if i do not pass my skills assesment was going to uni but know wondering whether i should even bother with the skills assesment.
would it be worth getting a degree and a ppl and then taking a modula route. every part of news i hear about the intergrated seems to be bad!!
And has any one heard about this new scheme that is a multi engined/pilot course?? apparently you get a job offer first, then start your training??
Please help!!
One very confused scared wannabe pilot!
by the way sbab, i thought that oat had a security scheme where no job in 6 months and they give u a couple of hours free in a sim, then no job in 12 months and they pay for you to do your IR again?
would it be worth getting a degree and a ppl and then taking a modula route. every part of news i hear about the intergrated seems to be bad!!
And has any one heard about this new scheme that is a multi engined/pilot course?? apparently you get a job offer first, then start your training??
Please help!!
One very confused scared wannabe pilot!
by the way sbab, i thought that oat had a security scheme where no job in 6 months and they give u a couple of hours free in a sim, then no job in 12 months and they pay for you to do your IR again?
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Originally Posted by Sagey
SBAB - on this post http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...76#post2485476 you mentioned that you had one interview. Out of interest was that set up by Oxford or did you get the interview through your own iniative. I personally think it is time that you picked up the phone to Oxford and said "remember me - I am still looking for a job, can I please come in for a chat"
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It is pretty depressing when you hear guys finishing 6 months after all being put forward to an Airline whit pretty much simular marks. I have been on the phone weekly, with them. I know for a fact that there are more out there like me. That is why I posted it to see how many, or do I just happen to have bad luck or something else.
@Leeh88, @potkettleblack; I tried that but I am fed up with them telling me, don;t worry it will be oke, the market is really picking up. Been hearing those tailes for over 14 months.
@Skintman, that is indeed a good tip and I have done that, week by week, believe me they know me.
Thanks for all your advice and highlights. It is also not my intention to scare those still looking. Just to make you aware it is not all sunshine as they make you believe. I fell for it while I was there, and did the test en spent all the money.
@tommyg737, you are right, that is another scam. I did the older APP course (starting 2 years ago one of the first full integrated). That one costed around 5000 pounds more, but we still need to pay for our own renewals etc. I have tried and know of one other student who has also tried. Thanks for paying us more, thanks for spending 3 extra months in Langford no you must pay the full amount for your IR renewal.
But that will not be the problem with the new APP. For me the dream turned sour. I hope to fiks it and I will. But boy what a mistake to do integrated there, where as modulair I would have had the money left to spend at GECAT or CTC and make a bigger chance at the Airlines. But that is always easier said, at that time I made the best decission, and can only blame myself. But who reads this is warned and should think twice.
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Originally Posted by mcgoo
amazing the guys spent pots of money, has no job and you are telling him not to upset them!, i would be very upset if i had spent that kind of money and was getting no support with jobs from OAT as that is the whole reason most people spend the extra money and what OAT pride themselves on in their marketing
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Originally Posted by LeeH88
Indeed sir, but if he goes on their being raucous and getting a tad over zealous (which Im sure he wont because hes mature), they might not think hes worth the time helping or whatever, it generally puts out a bad image of himself, am i right?
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No not at all, Im firmly on his side with this one, hes paid vast amounts of money and obviously wants what they promised, but being boisterous and immature - on a forum nonetheless - is no way to resolve it in my opinion.
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well i think by going to oxford i could be making the biggest mistake of my life! i really did not know that its that bad!! when i went for a look around i too got sucked in by them and went away extremely impressed and egar to get into 70K worth of debt!
I would still like sum advise off n e 1 willing about whether i should get a degree first or take the modular route straight away!
SBAB i am truly sorry to hear about the experience and honestly do hope that you get a job soon.
Did hear that first choice are despretly looking for new pilots, they were saying that all types of hours considerd. could be worth a phone call, was only posted the other day but can't remember where i saw it!
I would still like sum advise off n e 1 willing about whether i should get a degree first or take the modular route straight away!
SBAB i am truly sorry to hear about the experience and honestly do hope that you get a job soon.
Did hear that first choice are despretly looking for new pilots, they were saying that all types of hours considerd. could be worth a phone call, was only posted the other day but can't remember where i saw it!
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Originally Posted by LeeH88
No not at all, Im firmly on his side with this one, hes paid vast amounts of money and obviously wants what they promised, but being boisterous and immature - on a forum nonetheless - is no way to resolve it in my opinion.
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Word of caution
I am currently doing research into which FTO is best for me, i have been looking at various schools for the past 6 months, and found that after speaking to many CPs
that the best route to go is integrated with a TR. I have heard a lot of bad press about OAT, and have now decided that Stapleford is the place to go. You can complete the integrated course and TR for roughly the same amount as just the integrated course at OAT. I have also been recommended this school by many pilots flying for the flagship airline. Anyone thinking of doing this course might want to look at this school!!!!!!
that the best route to go is integrated with a TR. I have heard a lot of bad press about OAT, and have now decided that Stapleford is the place to go. You can complete the integrated course and TR for roughly the same amount as just the integrated course at OAT. I have also been recommended this school by many pilots flying for the flagship airline. Anyone thinking of doing this course might want to look at this school!!!!!!
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Wiseman942 - you appear to offer advice yet have not been there yourself...
erm - of course Stapleford is not integrated (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_APPROVEDFTOS.PDF), and the flagship airline to which you refer is of course neither the flag carrier, nor one of long establishment.
tommyg737 ditto - you've not been there so don't offer blind advice. One integrated provider is not another.
MPL - read about it - it is not yet finalised. Wise up a bit before you take the plunge - you are only 18 and there is much about the industry that you should be aware about before embarking on training.
SBAB - is it a failure of a contractual relationship - is there a contract that states that they have to help you?
If so - issue a small claims court proceedings order through a solicitor - it neither costs much nor would any company prefer to go to court. That might get their attention and get something done.
On the other hand - have you written a CV and submitted it to them to pass on? Have you asked them what you can do to improve your chances? You do appear to complain, yet if they have not heard from you at all, one might assume (on their part) that you have a job already...?
Have you enquired how many places they have approached with your CV and ask them how you can improve it - ask what successful candidates have that you do not etc?
erm - of course Stapleford is not integrated (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_APPROVEDFTOS.PDF), and the flagship airline to which you refer is of course neither the flag carrier, nor one of long establishment.
I would still like sum advise off n e 1 willing about whether i should get a degree first or take the modular route straight away
And has any one heard about this new scheme that is a multi engined/pilot course?? apparently you get a job offer first, then start your training
SBAB - is it a failure of a contractual relationship - is there a contract that states that they have to help you?
If so - issue a small claims court proceedings order through a solicitor - it neither costs much nor would any company prefer to go to court. That might get their attention and get something done.
On the other hand - have you written a CV and submitted it to them to pass on? Have you asked them what you can do to improve your chances? You do appear to complain, yet if they have not heard from you at all, one might assume (on their part) that you have a job already...?
Have you enquired how many places they have approached with your CV and ask them how you can improve it - ask what successful candidates have that you do not etc?
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Hmm, yes but originally I said that if he goes on there being "raucous and over zealous" and you said "you're kidding right?", so now what are you talking about?! Im also on about raising valid concerns, just in the appropriate manner.
Lucifer I was just about to suggest that, about contract, etc. Might be a good choice.
Lucifer I was just about to suggest that, about contract, etc. Might be a good choice.
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cheers lucifer, decided to do my degree first, as you say i am only young and need to know the ndustry better. hopefully after finishing uni and finishing my ppl i will be better informed and can go ahead and make a better decision!
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I sometimes question the intelligence of posters on this forum.....this topic just confirms my doubts!!
Guys there is only one way to get to that right hand seat, determination, and yeah......more determination. And that goes further than just the training.
I visited Oxford this year, and yes I was impressed. HOWEVER, I maintained an open mind and tried to see through their sales techniques. The marketing staff are proffesionals, and are paid to 'draw people in'!
Yes you are paying them a lot of money for their high standards of training, and for the oxford stamp on your CV...what you are not paying them for is an apprenticeship with the promise of a job as the outcome. They will ASSIST you afterwards if required.
95% of the decision within an airline interview is down to personality, its a credential you simply MUST have!
Instead of whining on a forum such as this, get yourself a job at an airport, get out of bed at 2 am and use your personality to meet pilots and airline employees to find that opening. Sending photocopied letters is not going to give you that break!
Come on guys........
Guys there is only one way to get to that right hand seat, determination, and yeah......more determination. And that goes further than just the training.
I visited Oxford this year, and yes I was impressed. HOWEVER, I maintained an open mind and tried to see through their sales techniques. The marketing staff are proffesionals, and are paid to 'draw people in'!
Yes you are paying them a lot of money for their high standards of training, and for the oxford stamp on your CV...what you are not paying them for is an apprenticeship with the promise of a job as the outcome. They will ASSIST you afterwards if required.
95% of the decision within an airline interview is down to personality, its a credential you simply MUST have!
Instead of whining on a forum such as this, get yourself a job at an airport, get out of bed at 2 am and use your personality to meet pilots and airline employees to find that opening. Sending photocopied letters is not going to give you that break!
Come on guys........
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Windsheer, I agree with what you are saying, but if im not mistaken Oxford include a few 'after training' things with the APPFO program and for me, thats the matter at hand, noone can expect an FTO to get them a job, but they gotta give him what they promised, is what im saying.