Oxford Aviation Training (OAT) - Who has got a job?
I did my modular training at Oxford, and I've had nothing no substantial help in terms of getting a job.
They have however had a lot of input into my CV, but you have to also bear in mind that they have dozens of people seeking their assistance every day, so I think their advice can be somewhat 'uniform'! There is also the programme of speakers they have, and workshops looking at interview technique, aptitude tests etc, and modular guys as well as APP can take advantage of this as long as you did all of you training from ATPL exams onwards there.
If you have above average flying grades and over 85% in groundschool I'm told you'll be considered for recommendation, but only if and when an airline requests some CV's. Of course, there are more people added to this pool every week, so I suspect mines drowning at the bottom by now, and I don't hold out much hope. I haven't heard anything since I left as far as this is concerned!
They have however had a lot of input into my CV, but you have to also bear in mind that they have dozens of people seeking their assistance every day, so I think their advice can be somewhat 'uniform'! There is also the programme of speakers they have, and workshops looking at interview technique, aptitude tests etc, and modular guys as well as APP can take advantage of this as long as you did all of you training from ATPL exams onwards there.
If you have above average flying grades and over 85% in groundschool I'm told you'll be considered for recommendation, but only if and when an airline requests some CV's. Of course, there are more people added to this pool every week, so I suspect mines drowning at the bottom by now, and I don't hold out much hope. I haven't heard anything since I left as far as this is concerned!
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Yes this post has been done before, yet the job market is always changing and so is the destination of OAT grads.
Its nice every so while to see where they have gone and more importantly if OAT have helped, which tends to be the main issue!!!
Im starting to get the impression that im better making contacts within an airline then, hope to god OAT do help me. Seems there only intrested in the top few percent of a course.
Yes this post has been done before, yet the job market is always changing and so is the destination of OAT grads.
Its nice every so while to see where they have gone and more importantly if OAT have helped, which tends to be the main issue!!!
Im starting to get the impression that im better making contacts within an airline then, hope to god OAT do help me. Seems there only intrested in the top few percent of a course.
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Well considering we'd be all low houred pilots that would want to take the pick of the crop taking into account that do and will always have a variety to choose from.
Its like pick n mix, im sure we'd all go for the best ones!
Its like pick n mix, im sure we'd all go for the best ones!
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It seems slipping on 1 exam or doing 1 section of your IR poorly your not going to get the recommendation from OAT. OAT are intressted mainly in students with 85% groundschool average and First series IR pass.
I don't blame the airline for choosing the best they can so they do. It just seems to be OAT and if you dont meet the above requirments you wont get a recommendation.
In aviation its not what you know, its who you know that matters, and you can see that from reading other post on this forum.
Thats unless you get a recommendation
But still keep the post coming guys, there intressting to read.
If im wrong or theres additional information to be added id really appreciate it!!
Best of luck to everyone whos job hunting
I don't blame the airline for choosing the best they can so they do. It just seems to be OAT and if you dont meet the above requirments you wont get a recommendation.
In aviation its not what you know, its who you know that matters, and you can see that from reading other post on this forum.
Thats unless you get a recommendation
But still keep the post coming guys, there intressting to read.
If im wrong or theres additional information to be added id really appreciate it!!
Best of luck to everyone whos job hunting
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Oxford can only offer so much help - they can get your CV looking good, advise on interview techniques, set up speakers etc... but until an airline comes to them and asks for some pilots what can they do?
A few people seem to think that Oxford guarantee them a job if they train there. I finished the APP a few months back and NOT ONCE did they even try to give an image of a job guarantee. If you're wise enough (and lucky enough to be able to afford it) to get on the APP, then your chances of being recommended by Oxford, and then getting a job are a lot higher.
Most airlines that ask for pilots from places like Oxford have specific requirements on who they want - and the majority of them want Integrated Courses. It is also made very clear by the staff that by going on the APP you will get more assistance and are more likely to get a job through the school recommendations than those who go modular (who will most likely have to get a job through mailing CVs)
Having finished the course, I can say to anyone, Oxford treat you very well, do all they can to get you through, and if you're APP, go all out to get you interviews as well.
A few people seem to think that Oxford guarantee them a job if they train there. I finished the APP a few months back and NOT ONCE did they even try to give an image of a job guarantee. If you're wise enough (and lucky enough to be able to afford it) to get on the APP, then your chances of being recommended by Oxford, and then getting a job are a lot higher.
Most airlines that ask for pilots from places like Oxford have specific requirements on who they want - and the majority of them want Integrated Courses. It is also made very clear by the staff that by going on the APP you will get more assistance and are more likely to get a job through the school recommendations than those who go modular (who will most likely have to get a job through mailing CVs)
Having finished the course, I can say to anyone, Oxford treat you very well, do all they can to get you through, and if you're APP, go all out to get you interviews as well.
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What you have said about the staff saying that if you are on the APP course you have alot more chance of getting help with a job, this just backs up my last post on this subject that it really was just sales speak from the director at OAT when he said at a seminar, that OAT are going to become more Modular friendly....what a load of b*****ks!!!!
What you have said about the staff saying that if you are on the APP course you have alot more chance of getting help with a job, this just backs up my last post on this subject that it really was just sales speak from the director at OAT when he said at a seminar, that OAT are going to become more Modular friendly....what a load of b*****ks!!!!
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Rabino,
My point is that help from Oxford can only go so far if an Airline comes in asking for recommended students from Integrated courses. It's all very well Oxford saying they're going be more "modular friendly", but if airlines want integrated students, Oxford will give them integrated students.
I have nothing against people who go the modular route, but nothing will ever change my opinion that it is a much wiser way to realise the dream... if you can afford the cost and time.
Good luck with the jobs
My point is that help from Oxford can only go so far if an Airline comes in asking for recommended students from Integrated courses. It's all very well Oxford saying they're going be more "modular friendly", but if airlines want integrated students, Oxford will give them integrated students.
I have nothing against people who go the modular route, but nothing will ever change my opinion that it is a much wiser way to realise the dream... if you can afford the cost and time.
Good luck with the jobs
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FINALS, I must query your use of the words "wise" and "wiser". Most sensible people who spend any amount of time considering the two most followed routes to a professional JAA licence will come to the conclusion that the "wiser" route depends entirely on the applicant.
The modular route is less costly, more flexible and can be completed in a shorter time.
The integrated route is more expensive, usually offers better career support and is more attractive to a (small) number of airlines.
A friend of mine (modular at one of the integrated schools) was offered a job BEFORE completing his IR in December (b737 the airline pays for the TR). The integrated students who started groundschool at the same time as him are not yet finished their IRs. I think it is fair to say for that particular applicant the modular was "wiser". I am always amazed at the number of people who become tunnel-visioned once they decide to follow a particular route of training. PEOPLE, BE MORE TOLERANT!!!
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The modular route is less costly, more flexible and can be completed in a shorter time.
The integrated route is more expensive, usually offers better career support and is more attractive to a (small) number of airlines.
A friend of mine (modular at one of the integrated schools) was offered a job BEFORE completing his IR in December (b737 the airline pays for the TR). The integrated students who started groundschool at the same time as him are not yet finished their IRs. I think it is fair to say for that particular applicant the modular was "wiser". I am always amazed at the number of people who become tunnel-visioned once they decide to follow a particular route of training. PEOPLE, BE MORE TOLERANT!!!
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Why shouldn't Oxford recommend integrated students over modular? There are enough people on here who say that the APP is a waste of money and it's better to go modular, but it's for reasons like this that people pay the extra money to go integrated. It's a trade off - yes you save money going modular but you have to understand that Oxford aren't going to give you the same recommendations that it gives it's integrated students. It all depends on what you consider more important - saving money during training or getting a job quicker!
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Well said Elixir.
Before you start the training, you should be aware of the advantages and disadvantages of each route.
I know that going modular may be a much better decision for some people. I'm just sick of guys who moan about the APP or the Oxford staff if it doesn't work out afterwards.
You made the decision to go either modular or integrated. Don't blame the school if you start to think it was the wrong decision once the job hunting comes along
Before you start the training, you should be aware of the advantages and disadvantages of each route.
I know that going modular may be a much better decision for some people. I'm just sick of guys who moan about the APP or the Oxford staff if it doesn't work out afterwards.
You made the decision to go either modular or integrated. Don't blame the school if you start to think it was the wrong decision once the job hunting comes along
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A very fair point. The integrated/modular argument will go on for all time and what a pointless one it is too. The pros and cons of both route are pretty easy to see with only a small amount of research prior to choosing your school and once you've chosen that route you cant start complaining that you want the pros from the other choice!
As for Oxford giving help, I'm currently an unemployed APP grad so am in a fair position to comment. I have been put forward by OAT but not to all airlines that have come forward. Who OAT put forward isn't up to them, the airlines come to them with a criteria and Oxford give them a list of suitable candiates its as simple as that. If they started putting forward people who haven't had much luck and need a chance then the airlines would give up coming to them as they'd just be getting the same huge pile of CVs that they get everyday. Other than the recommendations I think Oxford do help where they can whether that be by CV writing tips or other such tips. While we're on the topic I must say how pleased I am that Nick Mylne is now doing the careers bit, I'm sure everyone who knows him will know what I mean when I say he actually is the nicest man in the world, no joke! Not just that, he's damn good at his job too.
So to wrap up, Oxford can only do so much. I'm not a cream of the crop student, I got a partial pass at my first attempt IR and Oxford cant change that! We all paid alot of money but you cant buy a job (well maybe with excel but lets not even go there!)
As for Oxford giving help, I'm currently an unemployed APP grad so am in a fair position to comment. I have been put forward by OAT but not to all airlines that have come forward. Who OAT put forward isn't up to them, the airlines come to them with a criteria and Oxford give them a list of suitable candiates its as simple as that. If they started putting forward people who haven't had much luck and need a chance then the airlines would give up coming to them as they'd just be getting the same huge pile of CVs that they get everyday. Other than the recommendations I think Oxford do help where they can whether that be by CV writing tips or other such tips. While we're on the topic I must say how pleased I am that Nick Mylne is now doing the careers bit, I'm sure everyone who knows him will know what I mean when I say he actually is the nicest man in the world, no joke! Not just that, he's damn good at his job too.
So to wrap up, Oxford can only do so much. I'm not a cream of the crop student, I got a partial pass at my first attempt IR and Oxford cant change that! We all paid alot of money but you cant buy a job (well maybe with excel but lets not even go there!)
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think 3 times before to enroll yourself in a school.
modular training is for the weekends' pilots, who do not care much about aviation except to impress his girlfriend.(or your boyfriend if you are homo)
we call them the flying losers, it is proven that 99% of aircraft accidents come from pilots' errors who have been modular trained and the CAA and the BALPA want get rid of these cheap trainings.
BTW,I still don't know why we call this a "training!"
in the other hand you have the real professionals like me, (and I am modest), the 100% dedicated to become a real professional. All BA pilots come from integrated schools.They are far better pilot that these "ultralights' pilots from modular training".This is why you will get an interview with the best of the airline(BA, KLM, LUFT,...).Some of my friends who have shared same training with me fly now for the Queen. They dont have even the time to write on PPRUNE.
so my question is: Where do you want be in 5 years?
How close of the reality you want be?
Do you want write Oxford on your CV?
Is your girlfriend ready for a threesome?
Are you not tired to ask stupid questions?
modular training is for the weekends' pilots, who do not care much about aviation except to impress his girlfriend.(or your boyfriend if you are homo)
we call them the flying losers, it is proven that 99% of aircraft accidents come from pilots' errors who have been modular trained and the CAA and the BALPA want get rid of these cheap trainings.
BTW,I still don't know why we call this a "training!"
in the other hand you have the real professionals like me, (and I am modest), the 100% dedicated to become a real professional. All BA pilots come from integrated schools.They are far better pilot that these "ultralights' pilots from modular training".This is why you will get an interview with the best of the airline(BA, KLM, LUFT,...).Some of my friends who have shared same training with me fly now for the Queen. They dont have even the time to write on PPRUNE.
so my question is: Where do you want be in 5 years?
How close of the reality you want be?
Do you want write Oxford on your CV?
Is your girlfriend ready for a threesome?
Are you not tired to ask stupid questions?
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Losers?
Did he just call all Modular students Losers?
Thats funny because 2 of the guys on my Modular course are flying for key ops in this country, one on the airbus!
All down to their hard work and lack of moaning capability.
Thats funny because 2 of the guys on my Modular course are flying for key ops in this country, one on the airbus!
All down to their hard work and lack of moaning capability.
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Said it once and said it before, particularly after your first job, the airlines dont care were you got your licence (well they might be interested for maybe 2 seconds). As your career develops the simulator assesment becomes very important, do you have the right personality and is your CRM good. Ability will prevail no matter how much it cost and where you trained? You cant buy natural talent and the right personality\good CRM. Look at the high number of guys\gals finding their first jobs in the UK from overseas, I expect that the airlines, CTC etc never even heard of the flight schools they trained at (probably cant even pronounce the names properly)? If you want to spend a premium on training for your licence for the chance that you may be pointed in the right direction for a job at the end thats personal choice.
And A320rider, for a complet A****le quite funny. Obviously your theropest needs to strengthen your medication. I take it you didnt get recommended to BA then?
And A320rider, for a complet A****le quite funny. Obviously your theropest needs to strengthen your medication. I take it you didnt get recommended to BA then?