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I'll be there 22-23 and go back on 24th in the early morning, so they have at least two days of selections next week...
Thanks Cowhorse so they focused on those questions, what about atpl subjects?
Exina you've got pm
Thanks Cowhorse so they focused on those questions, what about atpl subjects?
Exina you've got pm
Been in RYR 3.5 years, and I have to say the attitude a lot of people impose on this thread is actually a bit disrespectful for those of us already in.
Why you all seem to think that just because you applied, you are automatically 'owed' an interview, almost makes me sick. If this type of attitude came across at all in your application, you need not look any further as to why you haven't had any contact from the airline.
You are all the same, fresh CPL/IR's recently printed with minimum hours, in an industry that owes you nothing.
Welcome to the real world.
Why you all seem to think that just because you applied, you are automatically 'owed' an interview, almost makes me sick. If this type of attitude came across at all in your application, you need not look any further as to why you haven't had any contact from the airline.
You are all the same, fresh CPL/IR's recently printed with minimum hours, in an industry that owes you nothing.
Welcome to the real world.
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Absolutely VJW, welcome to the real world indeed. Although I count myself lucky to have a job with RYR, I cannot understand how this week I am on three standbys and also three next week. It's not as if I'm in a small base either, it's pretty average. Shocking considering it's almost summer. What on Earth is going on?
Sorry, not the most constructive post, just a mini rant
Sorry, not the most constructive post, just a mini rant
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VJW - I agree with you, what you say it is true . but you talk like that because you are not in the same situation like most of us, you already HAVE a job .
you say you are in RYR since 2008/2009, where most of the airlines picked a LOT of low timers, such as 200 TT, when you just pay your training and then get hired.
Nowadays, you pay 60k€ or more for your training, don't get a job, have to pay your renewals, still don't have a job a probably you will have to pay to fly, like a TR+LT. Another 60k€ that you have to spend. Did you spend all this money? i don't think so ..
i'm from portugal, the last pilot intake from TAP, the Portuguese carrier, was in February. Minimum requirements: 1000TT . Now i say, how do you expect to be hired when they hired Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, even Italian pilots ? Where in some countries, like Brazil, they don't hire other than Brazilian, by law enforcement? That is just sad ..
When you got hired, did they own you anything? of course not, you were in the same situation . so what was the difference between me and you? Just tell me.
i'm not a moaner, i'm not expecting to hired by an airliner soon. Aviation is NOT ONLY RYR and other airlines, there are aerial work and other stuff but the reality is that even those, they do not want us, newbie pilots.
the thing about RYR it is our best shot, even if we have to pay our TR, we would recover that money in one year, and the best part - we have a pilot job !
sorry about this post but all pilots who have a pilot job, always say 'welcome to the real world', bla bla bla .. you know the real world of the pilot who is employed, but i think you don't have a real perception of the world of those who search and seek for a pilot job nowadays ..
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you say you are in RYR since 2008/2009, where most of the airlines picked a LOT of low timers, such as 200 TT, when you just pay your training and then get hired.
Nowadays, you pay 60k€ or more for your training, don't get a job, have to pay your renewals, still don't have a job a probably you will have to pay to fly, like a TR+LT. Another 60k€ that you have to spend. Did you spend all this money? i don't think so ..
i'm from portugal, the last pilot intake from TAP, the Portuguese carrier, was in February. Minimum requirements: 1000TT . Now i say, how do you expect to be hired when they hired Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, even Italian pilots ? Where in some countries, like Brazil, they don't hire other than Brazilian, by law enforcement? That is just sad ..
You are all the same, fresh CPL/IR's recently printed with minimum hours, in an industry that owes you nothing
i'm not a moaner, i'm not expecting to hired by an airliner soon. Aviation is NOT ONLY RYR and other airlines, there are aerial work and other stuff but the reality is that even those, they do not want us, newbie pilots.
the thing about RYR it is our best shot, even if we have to pay our TR, we would recover that money in one year, and the best part - we have a pilot job !
sorry about this post but all pilots who have a pilot job, always say 'welcome to the real world', bla bla bla .. you know the real world of the pilot who is employed, but i think you don't have a real perception of the world of those who search and seek for a pilot job nowadays ..
[EDIT]: minor errors
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Really plikee, I qualified in 2008 and no airlines were queuing up to recruit me. Thankfully I had a Plan B in that I was an engineer and I am still working in engineering now to provide for my family while I keep everything in date and continue searching for reliable flying employment.
I started training in 2006 when employment was relatively plentiful compared to today and I finished in May 2008 just as the current economic drama was biting (rotten timing on my part).
To get employment back in 2008/ 2009 VJW has done very well and I’m sure that he will admit he has been blessed with a good degree of luck. The point that he makes is that no-one owes any of us a career and while I understand your frustration and impatience there are people who have been waiting much longer than you to get work.
What I don’t understand is those who remortgage their property or someone elses property to fund their own training in a recession with no Plan B to fall back on if they are not well connected in an airline or on some sort of tagged scheme or pseudo sponsorship scheme.
Rant over back to the RYR discussion, good luck to those waiting for interview dates, if there are 8,000 applicants you will need all the luck you can get.
I started training in 2006 when employment was relatively plentiful compared to today and I finished in May 2008 just as the current economic drama was biting (rotten timing on my part).
To get employment back in 2008/ 2009 VJW has done very well and I’m sure that he will admit he has been blessed with a good degree of luck. The point that he makes is that no-one owes any of us a career and while I understand your frustration and impatience there are people who have been waiting much longer than you to get work.
What I don’t understand is those who remortgage their property or someone elses property to fund their own training in a recession with no Plan B to fall back on if they are not well connected in an airline or on some sort of tagged scheme or pseudo sponsorship scheme.
Rant over back to the RYR discussion, good luck to those waiting for interview dates, if there are 8,000 applicants you will need all the luck you can get.
Ok time for my reply- for what it's worth.
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I did all my training part time in about 2.5 years, all the while working in PLD at the UK CAA issuing everyone else's licences and type ratings. I didn't spend 60k, I never would. I knew where best to go for cheap things like the PPL and hours, but I went to a good modular school for the CPL and IR. I finished with a CPL/IR and MCC only owing £9000, and before any hint of there being a recession. I fail to see how it is anyone other then your own fault if you end up in £60k debt just after one (if it's even over)!
Bearing in mind the amounts of contacts I had doing the job I was doing at the time, RYR was near enough (apart from Flybe but that would have been a £6k pay cut on my office job at the CAA) my only option. However, I had a decent job and was willing to stay there until my time came, I had a good plan B, what's yours? Think you need to get your facts straight on that one, didn't the recession hit late 2008? I think it was extremely difficult to get a job then, not the other way around. I said I joined just over 3 years ago in 2008 - not 1998
You don't have to convince me about Flag carriers. I failed BA a few years back, when a guy on my day was Dutch that passed. I would never get into KLM, but this is a totally separate issue and way off the point.
plikee It seems to me, you are missing the obvious. There is no difference between then and now with regards to Ryanair being nearly the only option to get a foot in the door for cadets. I can't comment on the numbers of intake, so I've no idea on how the length of time it takes to get a call has changed between then and now. I do know however, that the difference between you and I, is I wasn't expecting them to call me, it seems as though you and many others are.
magicmick You are correct, I feel lucky to be doing what I do, I worked hard for it, and believe I'm also good at what I do, and there are plenty of others who are unemployed that could probably do a better job too! None of this changes the fact that had they not called me, while I would be gutted, I wouldn't be demanding a reason why not, or complaining about the length of time it takes to get an interview after I merely applied. Perhaps if RYR sent out rejection emails, this type of expectation among cadets would stop. There are probably plenty on this site who think they are in a queue to be called, when actually their application has been assessed and they are not going to be called at all.
Gyro Drift I'm on 103 hrs this calendar month, maybe you need a base change
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I did all my training part time in about 2.5 years, all the while working in PLD at the UK CAA issuing everyone else's licences and type ratings. I didn't spend 60k, I never would. I knew where best to go for cheap things like the PPL and hours, but I went to a good modular school for the CPL and IR. I finished with a CPL/IR and MCC only owing £9000, and before any hint of there being a recession. I fail to see how it is anyone other then your own fault if you end up in £60k debt just after one (if it's even over)!
Bearing in mind the amounts of contacts I had doing the job I was doing at the time, RYR was near enough (apart from Flybe but that would have been a £6k pay cut on my office job at the CAA) my only option. However, I had a decent job and was willing to stay there until my time came, I had a good plan B, what's yours? Think you need to get your facts straight on that one, didn't the recession hit late 2008? I think it was extremely difficult to get a job then, not the other way around. I said I joined just over 3 years ago in 2008 - not 1998
You don't have to convince me about Flag carriers. I failed BA a few years back, when a guy on my day was Dutch that passed. I would never get into KLM, but this is a totally separate issue and way off the point.
plikee It seems to me, you are missing the obvious. There is no difference between then and now with regards to Ryanair being nearly the only option to get a foot in the door for cadets. I can't comment on the numbers of intake, so I've no idea on how the length of time it takes to get a call has changed between then and now. I do know however, that the difference between you and I, is I wasn't expecting them to call me, it seems as though you and many others are.
magicmick You are correct, I feel lucky to be doing what I do, I worked hard for it, and believe I'm also good at what I do, and there are plenty of others who are unemployed that could probably do a better job too! None of this changes the fact that had they not called me, while I would be gutted, I wouldn't be demanding a reason why not, or complaining about the length of time it takes to get an interview after I merely applied. Perhaps if RYR sent out rejection emails, this type of expectation among cadets would stop. There are probably plenty on this site who think they are in a queue to be called, when actually their application has been assessed and they are not going to be called at all.
Gyro Drift I'm on 103 hrs this calendar month, maybe you need a base change
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Nice one VJW, like you I qualified modular in 2008, I was able to fund everything with my own money and with my wife working and some money I was able to bring in we kept the wolf from the door with no debt at the end of it. Like you I got the call to the RYR assessment in late 2008 but that is where the similarity in our situations end as you had a good day at the assessment and I did not, however I’m not bitter at the missed opportunity and I lay the blame for not getting in with no-one but myself.
As well as some of those having applied assuming that they are just waiting for the call I am sure that there are some that assume that by being called to the assessment day they will be guaranteed acceptance, perhaps some expectation management is in order!!!!
Good luck with the job that you are enjoying, as you point out you’ve worked hard to get where you are and I wish you luck in your continued career with RYR and beyond.
As well as some of those having applied assuming that they are just waiting for the call I am sure that there are some that assume that by being called to the assessment day they will be guaranteed acceptance, perhaps some expectation management is in order!!!!
Good luck with the job that you are enjoying, as you point out you’ve worked hard to get where you are and I wish you luck in your continued career with RYR and beyond.
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What a load of 
Anyone who puts in the effort of getting a fATPL deserves a job. Period.
Whether they get one or not is a matter of luck and timing.
Some of the sh*t coming from people on this forum is incredible. I bet you wouldn't show that attitude in person.
Anyone who puts in the effort of getting a fATPL deserves a job. Period.
Whether they get one or not is a matter of luck and timing.
Some of the sh*t coming from people on this forum is incredible. I bet you wouldn't show that attitude in person.
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I don't think I can keep my mouth shut any longer 
Out the 8000 Pilots I think more than 2000 of them are Irish (So there out the window),
2000 of them are over 30 (Which ryr doesn't fancy alot of the time),
1500 of them are FI's (They also don't recruit alot of them),
500 of them are wannabes from up north wasting time,
500 already have turbo-prob jobs but want to transit to shiny jets and the remaining 1500 are under 30 willing to bend over for free
Out the 8000 Pilots I think more than 2000 of them are Irish (So there out the window),
2000 of them are over 30 (Which ryr doesn't fancy alot of the time),
1500 of them are FI's (They also don't recruit alot of them),
500 of them are wannabes from up north wasting time,
500 already have turbo-prob jobs but want to transit to shiny jets and the remaining 1500 are under 30 willing to bend over for free
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Two days before my assessment... I have a doubt. I read today about the procedure called PIOSEE and NITS, which we don't use to learn in Spain. I talked to several pilots and no one knows about it.
As I could read, both should be done after reading the QRH. But what I don't understand is why the PIOSEE talks about identifing the problem, when it should be already solved at that moment.
I'm worried about my CRM with a pilot who is used to this procedure.
As I could read, both should be done after reading the QRH. But what I don't understand is why the PIOSEE talks about identifing the problem, when it should be already solved at that moment.
I'm worried about my CRM with a pilot who is used to this procedure.
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VJW, thanks for the kind words, it’s a shame RYR recruiters don’t feel the same as you. To be honest I screwed up the sim check rotten and that’s the reason I got shown the door, no-one to blame but me not my nationality, age, the fact that I trained modular, religion, skin colour, height, weight, hair colour, the fact that my eyes are too close together or any other conspiracy theory for not getting invited to assessment or not passing the assessment. I accepted the situation and moved on which is what an awful lot of people will have to do if they are not invited to assessment or if they get rejected at the assessment stage. A lot of RYR bashers told me that I dodged a bullet by not getting in but I view as a big missed opportunity, before anyone else mentions it I’m not looking for sympathy, if I was doing that I’d open a dictionary somewhere **** and syphilis and I’d find it soon enough.
To answer the earlier comment by G CEXO, no-one is owed or deserves a job regardless of how long or hard they have worked to qualify, this is true in any business and not just aviation. There are people who work longer and harder than any CPL holder to qualify as a doctor or a lawyer who don’t have a job. Why should someone who completed their CPL with MEIR and MCC be any different?
For the record I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough to stand in front of any audience you care to nominate and present my views. I understand the frustration and impatience of many of those waiting for the call especially if they have huge loans secured by either their own or someone elses property and the bank are looking for their money but this won't change the situation.
To answer the earlier comment by G CEXO, no-one is owed or deserves a job regardless of how long or hard they have worked to qualify, this is true in any business and not just aviation. There are people who work longer and harder than any CPL holder to qualify as a doctor or a lawyer who don’t have a job. Why should someone who completed their CPL with MEIR and MCC be any different?
For the record I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough to stand in front of any audience you care to nominate and present my views. I understand the frustration and impatience of many of those waiting for the call especially if they have huge loans secured by either their own or someone elses property and the bank are looking for their money but this won't change the situation.
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Many thanks irishone, I do keep an application in with CAE and keep it updated so I have to wait along with the other 7,999 if that number of applications is genuine.
If good things truly come to those that wait then with all the waiting I’ve been doing I must be due something absolutely blinding. I’m talking about waking up one morning to find that Christmas and my birthday are on the same day and as I put my hand down into my Christmas stocking I pull out the one off Faberge jewel encrusted egg, the keys to the Bugatti Veyron on the drive and the only winning ticket for a Euromillions triple roll over then Katherine Jenkins walks in the room naked with a bowl of still warm molten chocolate and we’ll leave it there!!!!!!
I would put one of those smiling face things here but the computer that I’m using has internet explorer from the dark ages so I just get a load of techno babble when I try to do it.
If good things truly come to those that wait then with all the waiting I’ve been doing I must be due something absolutely blinding. I’m talking about waking up one morning to find that Christmas and my birthday are on the same day and as I put my hand down into my Christmas stocking I pull out the one off Faberge jewel encrusted egg, the keys to the Bugatti Veyron on the drive and the only winning ticket for a Euromillions triple roll over then Katherine Jenkins walks in the room naked with a bowl of still warm molten chocolate and we’ll leave it there!!!!!!
I would put one of those smiling face things here but the computer that I’m using has internet explorer from the dark ages so I just get a load of techno babble when I try to do it.
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@VJV,
what makes you think that i don't have a plan B, i'm rich or expecting to be hired? Did you read my last comments and what i said on the last one?
I'm not expecting to be called. Please, read again my last comment.
As you, i have a plan B, i'm 23 but i work since i was 18. I took my university course when i was 19, started my ATPL course when i was 21. And i was still working, except one year because i was not able to deal with everything, i didn't have time.
You had the advantage of being well informed how the modular and integrated course works because of your job i think, and that is good because you could choose better your way. What makes you think i own a 60€k debt? i just said here, in Portugal, is what you pay. My plan is to continue working until my time come, like what happen with you . Like you, i have a plan B too.
Like i said before, I'm not expecting them to call me, like you. I finished all my ATPL one month ago, i know i will have to wait a lot. But it is a little demotivating when you try to knock at the door of every single company which has any aircraft and they just don't want you because they see only 200, 250, 300 hours. Just that.
@magicmick, like VJV, i think our time will come . we just have too wait, but i believe it is hard to get the interview and don't get the job :/ did you reapplied after that?
what makes you think that i don't have a plan B, i'm rich or expecting to be hired? Did you read my last comments and what i said on the last one?
I'm not expecting to be called. Please, read again my last comment.
As you, i have a plan B, i'm 23 but i work since i was 18. I took my university course when i was 19, started my ATPL course when i was 21. And i was still working, except one year because i was not able to deal with everything, i didn't have time.
You had the advantage of being well informed how the modular and integrated course works because of your job i think, and that is good because you could choose better your way. What makes you think i own a 60€k debt? i just said here, in Portugal, is what you pay. My plan is to continue working until my time come, like what happen with you . Like you, i have a plan B too.
Like i said before, I'm not expecting them to call me, like you. I finished all my ATPL one month ago, i know i will have to wait a lot. But it is a little demotivating when you try to knock at the door of every single company which has any aircraft and they just don't want you because they see only 200, 250, 300 hours. Just that.
@magicmick, like VJV, i think our time will come . we just have too wait, but i believe it is hard to get the interview and don't get the job :/ did you reapplied after that?
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@plikee yes I keep an application in with CAE and I keep it up to date but like you and many others I do not hold my breath for another chance with RYR. I actually consider myself one of the lucky ones because at least I don’t have any debt and I have a well paid non flying job while I keep applying but as you say the 300hr TT isn’t a big door opener. Good luck with the job hunting (as long as you don’t have better luck than me)!!!!!
plikee...Just to be clear my initial post was only saying that it annoys me that people see RYR as a company who will pretty much interview anyone with a licence, and that provided you pay for the training etc you'll get in. This is not the case.
I wasn't directing that initial comment to you personally, but you replied to me defending your situation.
You wrote, "Nowadays, you pay 60k€ or more for your training, don't get a job, have to pay your renewals, still don't have a job a probably you will have to pay to fly, like a TR+LT." So yes, I assumed that's what you paid, why would I assume anything else? I also didn't assume you didn't have a plan B, what I actually said was, "what is yours.'
Where I personally began to lack respect for your replies, was when you then tried to convince me and anyone else bored enough to read, that 2008 was a year where, "most of the airlines picked a LOT of low timers, such as 200 TT, when you just pay your training and then get hired." Wasn't true, as has been confirmed by other people on this thread!
If I'm right by your post there, you started training 2 years ago when you were 21. You passed everything a few months back, so I'm guessing you started around the early part of 2010. I'd be interested in the research you did before you started training in early 2010 that convinced you that you wouldn't have said this to me 1 month after completing it all, 'But it is a little demotivating when you try to knock at the door of every single company which has any aircraft and they just don't want you because they see only 200, 250, 300 hours.'
G CEXO Speaking of a load of, try re reading your post To say, 'Anyone who puts in the effort of getting a fATPL deserves a job. Period,' is so far off the mark it's laughable. I've seen people that not only have a fATPL but a job that STILL don't deserve it.
My advice, if you do get called do not take it for granted at all, and if anyone needs any advice etc I'm more then happy to answer PM's
Good luck VJW
I wasn't directing that initial comment to you personally, but you replied to me defending your situation.
You wrote, "Nowadays, you pay 60k€ or more for your training, don't get a job, have to pay your renewals, still don't have a job a probably you will have to pay to fly, like a TR+LT." So yes, I assumed that's what you paid, why would I assume anything else? I also didn't assume you didn't have a plan B, what I actually said was, "what is yours.'
Where I personally began to lack respect for your replies, was when you then tried to convince me and anyone else bored enough to read, that 2008 was a year where, "most of the airlines picked a LOT of low timers, such as 200 TT, when you just pay your training and then get hired." Wasn't true, as has been confirmed by other people on this thread!
If I'm right by your post there, you started training 2 years ago when you were 21. You passed everything a few months back, so I'm guessing you started around the early part of 2010. I'd be interested in the research you did before you started training in early 2010 that convinced you that you wouldn't have said this to me 1 month after completing it all, 'But it is a little demotivating when you try to knock at the door of every single company which has any aircraft and they just don't want you because they see only 200, 250, 300 hours.'
G CEXO Speaking of a load of
, try re reading your post To say, 'Anyone who puts in the effort of getting a fATPL deserves a job. Period,' is so far off the mark it's laughable. I've seen people that not only have a fATPL but a job that STILL don't deserve it. My advice, if you do get called do not take it for granted at all, and if anyone needs any advice etc I'm more then happy to answer PM's
Good luck VJW
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Quick question. How many current RYR pilots who have forked out for the TR and got the job over the past 5 years managed to pay off the cost of the TR in their first year? And not live with mum and dad, or relatives, along with paying tax? How long did it really take to cover the cost of the TR?
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Thank you cowhorse
I heard about people who had more difficult emergencies, like engine fires... so that's what I was worried about.
I heard about people who had more difficult emergencies, like engine fires... so that's what I was worried about.
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Cowhorse, I know a guy who did his assessment a month ago and he got an engine failure during his assessment. He did his mcc/joc in a 737-8 so maybe he was being tested a bit...