Criminal Conviction A Problem?
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Hi,
I'm considering a career as a commercial pilot, but i have a conviction for careless driving.
Can anyone give me any info on how this could affect me? I asked Ryanair and they said it would not be a factor if i applied to them.
Also on the medical there is a section asking about driving while intoxicated convictions, but nothing about careless driving.
Any info appreciated.
I'm considering a career as a commercial pilot, but i have a conviction for careless driving.
Can anyone give me any info on how this could affect me? I asked Ryanair and they said it would not be a factor if i applied to them.
Also on the medical there is a section asking about driving while intoxicated convictions, but nothing about careless driving.
Any info appreciated.
Unfortunately Careless Driving falls in the category of 'most' serious of Driving offences along with Dangerous driving which carries 8 years, reduced on an early Guilty plea.
Drink driving is also a serious offence but, You are not actualy driving with intent but more likely to be driving unknowing that you are above 35ug of Breath.
I would not think Drink Driving would 'Rule' out a position with an Airline, But obviously it's a 'Blot' on the cv.
As far as I know Careless Driving will be on your record for 6 years.
I don't think many operators would entertain Careless Driving thou?
Whatever the outcome Best Wishes.
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BAI, in this and several other threads you spout ill-informed opinion rather than fact. All the information Mark needs to answer his question is already present, or linked to, in this thread - which you have obviously not read through. The process of obtaining a Criminal Record Check, and which factors affect the issue of an airside pass, are not a matter of opinion. Unresearched and ill-informed posts like yours only serve to increase anxiety rather than inform. Please think carefully before you post again.
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any advice? 2 yrs ago i took the blame for my brother taking a car without permission as i he was in enuf trouble at the time, i was convicted, under some theft act i presume. it never bothered me then but now i look to a flying career, what sort of hassle do i face?? it prob makes no difference but they might have my d.o.b as 1981, not 1982 as shud be, that save me if i shut up? any advice be great thanks
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Drink Driving Conviction
I am 19 years old, its been my dream to become a pilot, but stupidly i have recently (last week) received a drink driving conviction. DR10 i think is it referred to as. I have received a driving ban and a subsequent fine. I realise from speaking to various people in the industry that it should not affect my ability to get an airside pass nor to complete the APP course successfully, but i am concerned, and in desperate need of honest advice concerning the following.
1) at 19 and a 1/2 , i would theoretically be completed at oat at 21, so i assume the chances of gaining immediate employment are slight anyway. with the conviction against my name for the next 5 years, would i stand a realistic chance of gaining employment.
2)If However i was to delay training for a few years. for example 3 years, then with the approx period of training etc 2 years. this total delay period would be 5 years which would mean that i would not need to declare it to the potential employer.Would this be the better option.
I would really appreciate some honest advice on this matter as it is an enormous risk for me to take on.
look forward to hearing from you.
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1) at 19 and a 1/2 , i would theoretically be completed at oat at 21, so i assume the chances of gaining immediate employment are slight anyway. with the conviction against my name for the next 5 years, would i stand a realistic chance of gaining employment.
2)If However i was to delay training for a few years. for example 3 years, then with the approx period of training etc 2 years. this total delay period would be 5 years which would mean that i would not need to declare it to the potential employer.Would this be the better option.
I would really appreciate some honest advice on this matter as it is an enormous risk for me to take on.
look forward to hearing from you.
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I've also been done for a DR10 mate and its a killer for nearlly everything in life. Every employer sees you as a walking piss can who sits in the park swigging cider, harsh but true. I got told by CTC that it failed me and i thought honesty might shine through. If i were you id leave it till 5yrs and tell no-one. Basically ignore what you've been taught by your parents and teachers all your life about being honest and take the advice of a complete stranger and lie 
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I've also been done for a DR10 mate and its a killer for nearlly everything in life. Every employer sees you as a walking piss can who sits in the park swigging cider, harsh but true. I got told by CTC that it failed me and i thought honesty might shine through. If i were you id leave it till 5yrs and tell no-one. Basically ignore what you've been taught by your parents and teachers all your life about being honest and take the advice of a complete stranger and lie
Assuming i'm not missing any hidden sarcasm (i'm tired and i may be) don't lie about it. As a previous poster said airlines will look carefully at people with DUI convictions, you will be in control of a plane with 10's if not hundreds of passengers, they want to be sure you won't be a liability. if they ask you have to tell them the truth. it's that simple. lying could have a far greater implication should they decide to check.
when will you be allowed your licence back? if you can go a few years with a clean licence it might just show you've changed. I can't give guarantees, but i'd maybe wait a year or so, get a part time job, maybe, if you can afford it, obtain your PPL (if you haven't one already) at least you'd be working toward your dream. in the long run i believe it shouldn't harm you too much, it's just the immediate few years that might be hard (and the first job, but the first job will always be hard)
Thats my thoughts anyway. Just remember, don't do it again. that would really hurt.
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There wasa thread about it thats right you should be able to find it ona search, failing that , Do not under any circumstances lie . All potential pilots will be checked via the criminal records bureau . So unless your changing your entire identity you will be found out .You will then be looking for a job with an integrity marker against your name as well as a DR10 , there are also various criminal offences you could commit by omitting it from your application . The rehabilitation of offenders act allows for persons with criminal records to gai employment without prejudice but you have to tell them you have it . Just be prepared for any amount of questions on interview and have a good answer for it , youthful excuberence will only stall them for about 5 seconds
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I was recently on an advanced handling course at CTC and one of the others on the course who was joining a LCC and was a current Captain for a TP airline had gotten a drink driving offence when he was a young lad.
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Also unfortunately, the DR10 code has to remain on your licence for a total of eleven years from the date of conviction. This can be highly embarrassing, for example when trying to hire cars, using your licence as day to day ID or in HR departments. Its a constant reminder to you.
Have a go at an appeal if you still have the time and you feel you can prove it was genuine misjudgment, otherwise try to get on with life. Your 30th birthday will arrive a lot quicker than you think!
Have a go at an appeal if you still have the time and you feel you can prove it was genuine misjudgment, otherwise try to get on with life. Your 30th birthday will arrive a lot quicker than you think!
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I've also been done for a DR10 mate and its a killer for nearlly everything in life. Every employer sees you as a walking piss can who sits in the park swigging cider, harsh but true. I got told by CTC that it failed me and i thought honesty might shine through. If i were you id leave it till 5yrs and tell no-one. Basically ignore what you've been taught by your parents and teachers all your life about being honest and take the advice of a complete stranger and lie
Before witholding any information requested I would make sure you are not obliged to disclose it. On the 15th January 2007 the fraud act 2006 comes into force, this contains an offence of "Fraud by failing to disclose information", which basically amounts to not disclosing information dishonestly with the intention of making a personal gain, i.e. get a job you would otherwise not obtain.
This may also affect things like medical conditions etc and class 1 medicals.
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Just remember contrary to advice above , re not having DR10 on your licence , just because it is not on your licence doesnt mean it doesnt exist . It is not the same as having points on your licence which are not discloeseable it is a conviction from court which does . There is no hiding it if you have the conviction you are going to have to live with it and face up to it . As per the fraud act mentioned above you would also be in contravention of the aforementioned rehabilitiation of offenders act plus any contract you sign with an airline , imagine starting on day one with your new TR then being sacked for lack of disclosure on application form , this would also be stapled to any other application you ever fill in , Not good I would just do your training and join the job market like everyone else , but like has already been said who would you employ ??
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Read this whole thread. All of it. A very few (small) airlines require you to hold a clean driving licence as self-drive-hire is sometimes used for positioning, but the vast majority are not interested in whether you can drive or not. Most employers accpet that applicants have made mistakes in the past; they want to see that you have learned from your mistakes and rehabilitated your behaviour.
Above all, be very careful about accepting 'advice' from those who have little or no knowledge, and are simply pontificating supposition and assumption. There are a great many here who have never been involved in recruiting others, or even in obtaining employment themselves, and know even less about the procedures involved in obtaining airside and airline passes.
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Above all, be very careful about accepting 'advice' from those who have little or no knowledge, and are simply pontificating supposition and assumption. There are a great many here who have never been involved in recruiting others, or even in obtaining employment themselves, and know even less about the procedures involved in obtaining airside and airline passes.
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According to the rahablititaion of offenders act a DR10 is classed as spent after 5 years so if an an employer asks if you have any convictions you can answer no, only if the the conviction is still unspent ie within the 5 years could they sack you for not disclosing it.
At 19 i'd say leave it five years before you get to job application time and then don't mention it as you don't have to.
To be honest you are more likely to get a job at 24 than 19/20/21 (howls of protest from them that have) because really you have a bit of growing up to do yet and thats probably best done outside of the airline pilot role.
Good luck, its happened to many better smarter men than you,
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To be honest you are more likely to get a job at 24 than 19/20/21 (howls of protest from them that have) because really you have a bit of growing up to do yet and thats probably best done outside of the airline pilot role.
Good luck, its happened to many better smarter men than you,
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It is your right NOT to disclose after 5 years and I would say not to. You can obtain your record from the CRB to see what it says. I think you only need a basic disclosure for an airside pass and this is what most employers get - it will NOT show your conviction when it is spent - so DON'T offer the information. Do your homework before any application as there is an advanced disclosure that people like police etc have to give and this shows everything, spent or not, remember things might change with security around aviation.
In the mean time get your PPL etc and get some hours in and build your CV - make yourself attractive to employers, by experience, qualifications etc to stand a chance of getting that job, yes in 5 years time.
Remember if you apply for a job before your conviction is spent you MUST declare it. If the employer then turns you down and you go back to them after your conviction is spent, they still have it on their records - what to do then????
Good luck and don't be so stupid again.
In the mean time get your PPL etc and get some hours in and build your CV - make yourself attractive to employers, by experience, qualifications etc to stand a chance of getting that job, yes in 5 years time.
Remember if you apply for a job before your conviction is spent you MUST declare it. If the employer then turns you down and you go back to them after your conviction is spent, they still have it on their records - what to do then????
Good luck and don't be so stupid again.
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Hello ppruners - clarification on 'minor offences'
I am new to this forum and I have read the whole thread on criminal convictions etc. I would be most grateful if someone on here, could help me with some information with regards to spent convictions on the Police National Computer (PNC).
Is it correct that convictions become spent after 5 years (depending on the length of sentence given) and are subsequently wiped from the PNC once spent? What is classed as a 'minor' offence?
I was bound over for being drunk and disorderly eight years ago and I am worried that this may have an effect on finding a job as a commercial airline pilot upon completing my training if a standard or enhanced discloure is required (in terms of national security).
I know basic disclosures do not show spent convictions but there is absolutely no guarantee, that following the tragic events of 9/11, Airlines won't request that all pilots have a standard or enhanced discloure certificate and Aviation will remain unexempt from the RoA.
I have sent off an application from to see what information the Police hold about me on the PNC.
Any information would be of help.....thank you
Is it correct that convictions become spent after 5 years (depending on the length of sentence given) and are subsequently wiped from the PNC once spent? What is classed as a 'minor' offence?
I was bound over for being drunk and disorderly eight years ago and I am worried that this may have an effect on finding a job as a commercial airline pilot upon completing my training if a standard or enhanced discloure is required (in terms of national security).
I know basic disclosures do not show spent convictions but there is absolutely no guarantee, that following the tragic events of 9/11, Airlines won't request that all pilots have a standard or enhanced discloure certificate and Aviation will remain unexempt from the RoA.
I have sent off an application from to see what information the Police hold about me on the PNC.
Any information would be of help.....thank you
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Spitfire, if you have read this whole thread you have missed quite a lot of it! All of your questions are answered perfectly clearly in here. Please go back and read it again - I appreciate that you may have to filter through some dross, but I promise all the info is here.
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spitfires comment about upping the disclosures from basic to standard or enhanced got me thinking. could this be the case in the future? surely employers would find things out about crew which previously went unnoticed and then pilots all over would be gettin fired . if they didnt fire them but they used the new levels of disclosure to not employ new aplicants this would be unfair on people trying to get into the industry?