Criminal Conviction A Problem?

[r44flyer]

Good point above, as all airlines will carry out a background security check which I believe will throw up any criminal convictions. Find that out first, and if they're going to find out about it anyway it might as well be as part of a rehearsed script from you!

[Alltheway]

Thanks for Frank reply. I thought in order to gain Airside Security Clearance that an Airline would do a Police Check?

[Rollerboy]

Whether mitigating circumstances exist or not, your records will remain on the Criminal History System and Police Records Computer, both of which show up on the Disclosure Scotland form. There is no way of hiding this fact unless the offence is subject to "weeding".

I suggest you check out www.disclosurescotland.co.uk to see the ins and outs of records.

Be mindful of the fact that airside passes and company employment now require a check so maybe just saying nothing is a mistake. That said I do know of one person with a very distant charge now working so it isn't impossible. However if this is a recent charge airlines may not be so relaxed for reasons above.

Just look at the facts before spending the money. As you see on this site it's difficult enough getting that first job!

[Alltheway]

Have just found out its upto the individual to gain an Airside Security Pass from Scotland Disclosure. DD Conviction does not exclude me. Thanks for Comments.

[grababadger]

I was convicted of DD earlier this year and although there is no excuse-it would take a fool to say there are never any mitigating circumstances and as for those jolly old folks who are quick to judge, well let me tell you...

Around 90% of drivers will at some point be over the limit, how many people drink post night out and don't even realise they are over the limit?? People assume that they are ok, luckily MOST dont get caught.

Iv'e spent 6 years at university and have just started flight training and there is no way am I going to give up now. The majority of people relate DD with a drink disorder-which is far wrong in most cases.

When I went to court my 'prosecuter' admitted that it's just unlucky for some and went on to admit that he had drank and drove before.

Cmvidini I really would not give up providing you have the strength of character to prove yourself. We all make mistakes, some worse than others but dont let your dream go past you and don't listen to the words of negativity and remember you have paid for your crime and are less likely to re-offend than most.

[Diamond_Dog]

Cmvidini,

There's a fairly hefty thread relating to your plight on page 2 of this forum..

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204938

I'm sure if you sift through all the usual claptrap, you'll find some useful nuggets.

Hope it all works out..

[bunnywabbit]

The wonderful Mr Blair.
He had a crack down on crime and another 3000 offences are now classed as criminal ! So an eighteen year old on rag week takes a leek in the street and is caught by the plod is a criminal ( court appearance etc ) I have a criminal driving conviction (yes over the limit and grassed on ) It has now expired on the rehab of offenders act 1974, but they what me to do dury service NO I CAN NOT I AM A CONVICTED CRIMAL AND I AM EXEMPT UNDER RULE 177.

Quite honestly carry on with the training steer clear of major airlines for a few years and you will be OK.

The youngster caught pissing in the street was my sister, she has completed her medical degree and will be on A+E for a while probably having to do a repair for a DD. AS a DOCTOR WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD SHE IS ALSO EXEPT UNDER RULE 177.

Well Done TONY BLAIR

[Alltheway]

Hi Bunny,

Thanks for all your positive comments. May I ask how long it takes under the Rehabilitation Act for the DD Offence to be Spent?

[grababadger]

I completely agree, although I still drink (like most) i am convinced that if you have been convicted and you have untaken a Rehabilitation course then you are less likely to risk it again, especially if you have career on line etc and more to the point you realise the dangers of DD.

Maybe all us convicted folk should meet up for a drink and discuss this matter further .

[and the chap said]

If it has been 5 years since your conviction, you don't even have to declare it ever happened and it doesn't show up on the Disclosure certificate. Hence the term 'spent conviction'. If this if the case for you now or by the time you start applying for jobs, you have nothing to worry about.

A good friend of mine was in you predicament and was naturally concerned. After graduating oxford in 2003 he got his first jet job on 737s a few months later. He's now on the airbus and loving it. No one ever asked him, he didn't volunteer it and has no obligation to either.

If flying is what you want and you're determined, I wouldn't let this slow you down anymore than it already has. It happened, you paid for it, you know it'll never happen again, so why re-live it. I wouldn't listen to the judgemental individuals on here either, they have no idea what they're talking about. Our more positive friends above seem to be a little more objective and that's nice to see.

Best of luck and enjoy the flying,
atcs

[camel toe]

"Around 90% of drivers will at some point be over the limit"

Is that gospel or one of them made up down the pub ones?

[grababadger]

Thats what they call an estimate, I can make it 93.225% to make is sound like a real statistic. Im sure it's somewhere around 90%...

Feel free to carry out a survey, for which all candidates will respond negative.

Anyway what's wrong with pub stats, that's where people make their life changing decisions (not always the right ones

[spitfire_007]

cmv, click on the link below. It may take you a while but there are some useful links and various stories in there, which will help to clarify your situation. Read the whole thread.........




http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204938

[spitfire_007]

Basic disclosures are available online for a fee of £20.

[johnsmotor]

Hi, I was charged with a public disorder offence approximately 8 years ago and was "bound over to keep the peace" for one year. I wasn't even aware that this was a form of conviction as I was young and niave at the time. Will this show up on a PNC check or do I have to declare it at all when I apply for jobs?

Many thanks

[EZYramper]

I got done for a section 5 of the public disorder act...Swearing in the presence of a policeman. Yep, you read that right: not AT the policeman, just in the presence of. How ridiculous. Freedom of speech ay?

Well politics aside, it didn't show up on my Disclosure to gain an airside pass for baggage handling and it didn't affect my visa application for New Zealand so I wouldn't worry about it. The best thing to do is get yourself a disclosure, it's only £20.

[RS999]

Not too sure about England and Wales but in Scotland the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act cancels out the majority of offences after a given period of time. Once 'spent' these offences should not show up on a Disclosure Scotland certificate. Obviously the length of time before an offence is deemed to be spent depends on the severity of the offence commited.

Also, in Scotland if you are given a Police Caution/Warning for an Offence it does not have to be declared to an employer as it does not give you a 'Criminal Record' but this is not the case in England and Wales. I only know this as my brother (who is Scottish) was recently sacked for not declaring a caution for assault which occurred in London. He thought that, like Scotland, it did not give him a record in England.

[scroggs]

The reason this thread - and indeed the whole forum - is here is that all these question have been answered within it. Please do yourselves the favour of reading it.

Scroggs

[LewisA]

Conviction ruined my dream career ??

Hi,

I have only just registered on here, so please forgive me folks if this is posted in the wrong place. I have read through the entire thread with some useful information to bear in mind in relation to criminal records. i want to start ab-initio flight training late next year as i have a good job with good pay, have worked my arse off to save and also have a few things in my favour, but i do have a very serious concern, and it may not suprise you but it begins with ' a few years back i did something i shouldnt have ' sound familiar lol.

Anyway at the age of 19 i was caught in posession of cannabis and was subsequently taken to court and issued with a 12 criminal discharge, i am now 27 nearly 28 and so if i did obtain all of the licences/ratings i would be around 30 and would be deemed a 'spent conviction' anyway. Just wondered if anybody has some honest opinions with regards to possible recruitment as it certainly doesn't go in my favour, i am making the worst possible assumption that the rules around disclosure change and that airlines will require an advanced one. I would like to think that by passing the exams and obtaining the relevant qualifications that would itself serve as edvidence of a reformed character and am thinking that i should just go full steam ahead anyway ..

I couldn't find anything within the thread that mentioned about drug offences .. Any comments or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

If something you shouldn't have done involved smuggling cannabis then I think that would look VERY bad to any prospective airline employer whether it was spent or not.

Why prod you with a bargepole when there are hundreds, nay thousands, of identical CV's on the desk from nice young men who've never been convicted or a drugs offense (of any kind or degree)?

Sorry, but its the real world we are talking about here.

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