Cargolux details requested!
Joined: Jul 2019
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From: London
Surely we can agree that the benefits for new joiners and those that joined after 2015 are substantial and obvious with the old A scale conditions back!
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.
Joined: Jan 2015
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From: I'd rather live close to home
Joined: Mar 2018
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From: Findel
Surely we can agree that the benefits for new joiners and those that joined after 2015 are substantial and obvious with the old A scale conditions back!
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.
According to the unions presentation the following has been agreed.
A 4% pay increase over 4 years on top of the index which should be another 2.5% this year.
There is an agreement on large buffers on the EASA FTL limits for standard crew plus a second sector limitation.
No expansion on Cargolux Italia for the next 4 years.
Big steps have been taken to improve roster stability and fixed off days. 12 off days per calendar month plus 42 vacation days. By spreading that vacation days evenly over the year you can effectively create a 7on, 8off roster!
Commercial positioning is either business or first class.
With the continued recruitment that opens the door for more upgrading and faster career progression.
This is just a few items from the top of my head but I would say that this is a large benefit for all existing crews as well.
Men generally believe what they want to, so opinions can not be changed, regardless of the abrasive and evident truth.
If roster planning equals to strained muscle, roster execution (and reality) equals to rape. I encourage the smart cookies to further elaborate about this topic. Have fun.
Joined: Feb 2014
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From: LUX
Depending on where you’re commuting from
Most people commute anyway, some as far as from Spain or Scandinavia. My average trip length so far this year’s 7 days, longest beeing 12 and the shortest 4 days. Spent 95 days away from home year to date, so all in all pretty commutable!
Most people commute anyway, some as far as from Spain or Scandinavia. My average trip length so far this year’s 7 days, longest beeing 12 and the shortest 4 days. Spent 95 days away from home year to date, so all in all pretty commutable!Joined: Jan 2015
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From: Germany
Commuting CLX
Hi, my experience is, commuting works fine. The majority of colleagues commutes by car. Mostly we are talking about 3-4 hours of driving. Some even commute towards Munich area by car (~5hrs).
My view is, with the new CWA now signed the conditions for new entries will be acceptable again moneywise. Hopefully that will result in more people joining, eliminating chaotic rostering due to lack of pilots. The companie’s network, airplane, maintenance and colleagues are really remarkable.
I hope I could help you, answering your question, good luck!
My view is, with the new CWA now signed the conditions for new entries will be acceptable again moneywise. Hopefully that will result in more people joining, eliminating chaotic rostering due to lack of pilots. The companie’s network, airplane, maintenance and colleagues are really remarkable.
I hope I could help you, answering your question, good luck!
Joined: Jun 2006
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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ICV was started for a variety of reasons, but one of the largest benefits for the company was the potential to undercut CLX conditions. Nothing against the people, just the facts. It would be good if you guys would unionise and not be the "low-cost", second rate Cargolux.
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: Slovakia
new cwa
Good evening guys,
I am looking at the adverts, reading through the forum here, and would like to ask, as its already one month since last post, any update on new CWA?
Do you think it would be really possible to make with use of AL and maybe some of the part time options to get comfortable 7 ON 8 OFF roster?
Thanks for honest ideas, anything what shows me some more light about the cargolux would be appreciated.
I am looking at the adverts, reading through the forum here, and would like to ask, as its already one month since last post, any update on new CWA?
Do you think it would be really possible to make with use of AL and maybe some of the part time options to get comfortable 7 ON 8 OFF roster?
Thanks for honest ideas, anything what shows me some more light about the cargolux would be appreciated.
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: Europe
CWA has been signed until 2022!
Formerly known "B-Scale" eliminated as of 1. January 2020, meaning same off-days as everybody else, pay adjusted to former levels + previous experience will be credited.
New rostering (12 monthly rosters instead of 13 28-day-rosters), off day scheme changed to 7 consecutive days off + 5 flexible off days (6 times per year these days will be fixed and cannot be moved by the company).
One week on and one week off should be easily possible with a 20% parttime option, BUT, 3-year waiting period for new joiners to be entitled to part-time.
Formerly known "B-Scale" eliminated as of 1. January 2020, meaning same off-days as everybody else, pay adjusted to former levels + previous experience will be credited.
New rostering (12 monthly rosters instead of 13 28-day-rosters), off day scheme changed to 7 consecutive days off + 5 flexible off days (6 times per year these days will be fixed and cannot be moved by the company).
One week on and one week off should be easily possible with a 20% parttime option, BUT, 3-year waiting period for new joiners to be entitled to part-time.
Joined: Nov 2011
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From: Central Europe
Thank you for the answer. this means that if I am not living in Lux it will be very hard for me to plan my life and see my family, am I right?
I was curious if commuting is a real possibility, but from what I saw on this forum, it is very hard...
I was curious if commuting is a real possibility, but from what I saw on this forum, it is very hard...
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 14
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From: LUX
The majority of colleagues are commuting (mostly to Bel. Ned, Ger, Aust. Swi) and this works out well for most of us. I’m on full time and have spent an average of 13 days on the road per month so far this year, average trip lenth 7,5 days, making commuting pretty doable.
Don’t be misleaded by what a few people say on pprune. True, roster changes get on everyones nerves and it’s definitely not all roses here, but all in all it’s still a good deal, especially now with new joiners basically getting the “old” contract again (B-scale gone).
Last edited by Indrapoera; 15th September 2019 at 10:32.
