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Cargolux details requested!

Old 5th Oct 2019, 12:56
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One more question for guys already longer time in Cargolux.

What is your opinion, if next crisis hits the market, would it mean dismissals ( guess us, potentially newly hired guys) or Cargolux is missing that many FOs, that with slowdown in economy, it would just stabilize crew needs within company?
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 15:07
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Hi,

if any of the First Officers would be able to answer the following questions, I'd be very grateful. According to the latest Collective Agreement:

1. what is the maximum duration of a rotation and how many consecutive days off can you get?
2. What would be the expected (total) gross salary (including per diems, all of the allowances)?
3. Is the time to command still roughly 10 years?
4. How does the part time scheme look like?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 17:43
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Originally Posted by limahotel View Post
Hi,

if any of the First Officers would be able to answer the following questions, I'd be very grateful. According to the latest Collective Agreement:

1. what is the maximum duration of a rotation and how many consecutive days off can you get?
2. What would be the expected (total) gross salary (including per diems, all of the allowances)?
3. Is the time to command still roughly 10 years?
4. How does the part time scheme look like?

Thanks in advance!
The length of the trips depends on many factors, but the most important one is seniority. Yet the biggest problem is rostering. CC is extremely creative interpreting the CWA and obviously, not to your benefit. Happens to everybody and is very stressing. Trips extensions, sometimes more than a week, could happen. Personally, I never went beyond two weeks on the road.

Yet there are some crew controllers that are fair and square, I must say. Very unlikely the aforementioned policy is going to change. Being a part-timer could or could not help. Despite the improvements, many guys are leaving, to KLM and AF, I believe. Young guys, former b-scalers, are fed up after little more than two years. They don't give a [email protected]#k anymore. From that to burn out is, in my opinion, a small step.

As per job security, Cargolux in particular and Luxembourg as a country are very strong at that. Even at its worse times, nobody was sacked due to economic reasons. The fellows at the helm at that time (2000s) reasoned that if people were dismissed, the potential candidates in the future would not trust CLX anymore and thereby, CLX would find problems recruiting. Yet those aforementioned managers are long time gone. However, I do not believe that this would be different if it happens in the future. In the worst-case scenario, unemployment salary is paid by the country of residence and there is an enormous difference between Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg, for example. That is a detail not to miss.

As per time to upgrade, I heard through the grapevine that Rolls-Royce engined aeroplanes are leaving soon. The -400s in the next couple of years. No news concerning new -8 nor a second fleet. I have not the faintest idea if that could mean a fleet consisting, solely, on -8s. This would impact CLX Italia, for sure. On the pro side, in the next five to ten years plenty of colleagues are going to retire. My take: expect 15 at least.

I hope Iím helpful.

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:03
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Originally Posted by limahotel View Post
Hi,

if any of the First Officers would be able to answer the following questions, I'd be very grateful. According to the latest Collective Agreement:

1. what is the maximum duration of a rotation and how many consecutive days off can you get?
2. What would be the expected (total) gross salary (including per diems, all of the allowances)?
3. Is the time to command still roughly 10 years?
4. How does the part time scheme look like?

Thanks in advance!
1. Depends on how you request your 2 blocks of OFF days. Combining them 7 + 5 (as of januari 2020) will give you 12 consecutive off days, but the rest of the month you'd be available... If you want to avoid the long trips (13+ days) it's better to separate the two blocks of OFF days. Also, most people divide their 42 annual vacation days in small portions in order to get longer blocks of OFF days.
2 Depends on experience. Time unit 0 for Junior FO (lowest "rank") would give you 4973 gross. You can expect that amount to increase by about 15% (as an average) due to allowances (sunday/ night-time etc.). These allowances are tax free, so are per-diems (on average about 1000 monthly)
3. At the moment it's about 11 years, but that doesn't say much, for you it could be 7 years, could be 20, could be never
4. 11% part time = 2 extra off days per month. 15% part time = 4 extra off days per month, except last 3 months. 21% part time = 4 extra off days per month all year. Then there's an additional part time scheme which offers 1 to up to 5 months extra off.

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 08:09
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Last question about medical check during assessment, is it just formal check of medical certificate or actual check?

I am not expecting China craziness, just wandering as on aviation medical checks I am under stress and although being completely healthy I have higher blood pressure constantly on this checks
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 10:01
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It's basically a 1st class medical from scratch by an AME. Stress test (bicycle), lung capacity, eyes, audiogram, etc.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Indrapoera View Post


1. Depends on how you request your 2 blocks of OFF days. Combining them 7 + 5 (as of januari 2020) will give you 12 consecutive off days, but the rest of the month you'd be available... If you want to avoid the long trips (13+ days) it's better to separate the two blocks of OFF days. Also, most people divide their 42 annual vacation days in small portions in order to get longer blocks of OFF days.
2 Depends on experience. Time unit 0 for Junior FO (lowest "rank") would give you 4973 gross. You can expect that amount to increase by about 15% (as an average) due to allowances (sunday/ night-time etc.). These allowances are tax free, so are per-diems (on average about 1000 monthly)
3. At the moment it's about 11 years, but that doesn't say much, for you it could be 7 years, could be 20, could be never
4. 11% part time = 2 extra off days per month. 15% part time = 4 extra off days per month, except last 3 months. 21% part time = 4 extra off days per month all year. Then there's an additional part time scheme which offers 1 to up to 5 months extra off.

Thank you all for the replies.

So theoretically, 8 on, 7 off, 7 on, 8 off would be possible? Is it also achievable in real life? As far as pay is concerned, an FO (not JFO) would get an average salary of approx. 7000 eur gross?

Thx.

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by limahotel View Post
Thank you all for the replies.

So theoretically, 8 on, 7 off, 7 on, 8 off would be possible? Is it also achievable in real life? As far as pay is concerned, an FO (not JFO) would get an average salary of approx. 7000 eur gross?

Thx.
Theoretically 8/7/7/8 would be possible when spreading your 42 vacation days out over 12 months. Achievable in real life? Sometimes, but most probably not always. Vacation days need to be requested on a yearly basis (every year in fall for the upcoming year) and regular off days one month in advance, which will make it difficult to exactly get to the 8/7/7/8 scenario. Also, some OFF days may be moved around by the company after the roster has been published (6 times per year the block of 5 off days will be "floating"), which messes up your roster/ private planning. In short, it will work out some months, but definitely not all... You'd then end up with something like 6 on, 7 off - 10 on, 8 off, or worst case 15 on 15 off. Unfortunately these changes tend to happen on short notice, and can therefore have a significant impact on the planning of your private life and consequently also on your mood

7000 gross for FO (not FJO) is more or less accurate when taking allowances and per-diem into account. Provided of course you fly a "normal" month and are not on vacation the whole month.

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Old 15th Oct 2019, 04:20
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Originally Posted by NickJBax View Post
Hi all,

Just giving you my experience about my first round of the assessment today.

6 weeks ago I applied. Within a few days I got my invitation to come to Luxembourg. For people not being able to go there, they also have off site assessment locations. You get a deadline for the required minimum training before doing the assessment, for some that is sufficient but for some it isn't. When getting near to the assessment, I advise to finish on a winner. If you make a last practice run before your assessment and you don't do as well as you could, it will add to the stress. You know what you can!

Arrived at Cargolux HQ and waited in the lobby. It is currently still in the old building, but the new HQ is planned to be opened next year.

We were greated very warmly by a woman from HR. She took us up to a classroom where we, me and 3 others, were going to be seated for the duration of the assessment. It all began very nicely, she was asking where we came from, experience and explaining us how the assessment will work. Also she comforted us with the fact that we were invited because Cargolux wanted us, we are there to show them why that is the correct choice, so just be prepared and be yourself.

1. as we were in the classroom everything went smoothly. You get your screen and computer and talked through the plan of the day. As there are also people for retesting, the plan is structured according to the person being re-tested.
2. the aptitude tests are straightforward, as trained on Mollymawk. Work efficiently, but not too fast.
3. The English is straight forward as well, practice past simples and past parciples.
4. Maths and Physics caught me slightly off guard some times. I practiced the questions and formulas a lot, but they'll ask you to counter calculate some of the formulas with larger numbers. For the bigger numbers, don't look too close. They often fit within each other.
5.At the end of all the testing you are able to see your certificates on your Mollymawk profile. Maths Physics and English show percentages, you'll see how much you've scored. For the aptitude testing it shows you scores where your age +5 years and -5 years have scored lower in percentile (e.g. 22 = 22 percent of the people 5 years older and younger have scored lower) these scores are throughout every company that has used Mollymawk. Don't be afraid if you get in the 20-ies, This can be sufficient.
6. when everything has been done, we got the opportunity to ask questions. Ask what every you want, concerns, ideas or anything else. If possible, try and get hands on the new CWA, Cargolux is very pleased about it and its improvements. They'll explain everything you want to know.

Within 24 hours you get news from Interpersonal if you passed yes or no. If you don't hear anything, don't hesitate to contact Cargolux, as they want you there as soon as possible, they can give you the result as well.

In the case of not passing, contact HR as they will tell you what happened and how you can improve for the following time. They'll give you a date for retesting and a new Mollymawk course where you can practice.

I hope this give an image of the first round of the assessment.

All the best and good luck to everyone trying out!
can you tell which time you left the Cargolux HQ?
just to plan my flight back home.
any advice that you remember from the test?
thanks in advance
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 06:51
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Originally Posted by A320driver33 View Post


can you tell which time you left the Cargolux HQ?
just to plan my flight back home.
any advice that you remember from the test?
thanks in advance


I would appreciate any insight into the specifics of the second and third stages of the assessment. Any specific ATPL subjects or tech questions needed to be addressed in more detail?
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 23:14
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Can anybody give some info regarding the pension ( state pension and company) in Cargolux? What is the companies contribution, what do you have to contribute?

Many thanks,
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 14:27
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One more question regarding part time. Once you get it (10%, 15%, ...), is it permanent or based on operational needs? Are you likely to get it after three years as an FO at the bottom of the seniority?

Many thanks.
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 19:03
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Originally Posted by limahotel View Post
One more question regarding part time. Once you get it (10%, 15%, ...), is it permanent or based on operational needs? Are you likely to get it after three years as an FO at the bottom of the seniority?

Many thanks.
Once you get it it’s permanent. (Untill you upgrade, then you have to apply for it again as a capt.)
Max 1 year after the request the company has to approve it, regardless of seniority.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:33
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Cargolux Assessment

Hi guys,

Been reading all posts up to some years ago.
Seems better times are coming (at least for some among us).

1month ago I passed 1st day at Cargolux and now facing the second.
Who would be able to give some tips on the asked questions during the interview?
Also about the expected ATPL test, group exercise, role play and sim.

Regarding to payment/scheduling it seems quite obvious what to be expecting.
If you PASS, when do they expect you to be able to start TR?
Will these TR's be in big groups or rather small ones (4people) at once? As they planning to moved the sims mid next year.

Any tips (how small) are more then welcome!
Really wouldn't want to miss the window of opportunity to fly this beast!

Awaiting some responds

Grts
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