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Cargolux details requested!

Old 26th May 2017, 12:42
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We pilots are our worst enemies.

We have some 100 colleagues at CV who are selling their OFF- and VAC-days on a regular basis.

"Now it's the time to make money!" or "I make the same money as a captain!" [as F/O]

These people pass a dangerous message to the management:
"It is not all that bad" or "EASA FTL - no problem".

Quite a few of these get nicer trips than the rest of us which are even withheld by crewplanning to have "something nice" to offer.

These short sighted "colleagues" do not see the point that they pay a hefty price for their short-term greed with health issues and expensive divorces when their last paychecks are taken into account for the alimony they will pay.

As long as the company can count on these people nothing will change.
No roster stability and not enough crews.

I found this gem in the Middle East forum on a similar problem:

"wanna know why?

because we, humans, are stupid, selfish and greedy.
and we, pilots, are humans.

and that's why."
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Old 26th May 2017, 15:21
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Hank, had to do it once.
Planned FDP 15:20
Started with some delay at the first station.
Colleague who took the first rest came back after 4 hours saying that he couldn't sleep.
I was getting tired at the end of the first leg so we took the decision to have a layover in OVB.
True, it's not easy as you know it might cause delays and mess up your colleague's schedules.
On the other hand, it is your duty as a crew member to take those decisions.
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Old 26th May 2017, 18:09
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Too hopeful?

Am I naive to think that the more pilot recruitment the better the rosters? Or will it never go back to how I was?
*it
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Old 27th May 2017, 15:24
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cargolux second round

Originally Posted by Aeroshizzle View Post
Am I naive to think that the more pilot recruitment the better the rosters? Or will it never go back to how I was?
*it
Aeroshizzle, congrats !!! I passed on mollymawk test and have to face the interview now. do you have any tips captain?? what type of ATPL Questions have they asked?


best regards.
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Old 29th May 2017, 11:14
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Originally Posted by Aeroshizzle View Post
Am I naive to think that the more pilot recruitment the better the rosters? Or will it never go back to how I was?
*it
May be too optimistic.
This is an ongoing problem. We never had enough crews, and we are not talking about a decent and working standby system.
We had contract captains that spent the better part of 10 years in the company.
F/Os were not amused to say the least.
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Old 29th May 2017, 17:24
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Originally Posted by final06 View Post
May be too optimistic.
This is an ongoing problem. We never had enough crews, and we are not talking about a decent and working standby system.
We had contract captains that spent the better part of 10 years in the company.
F/Os were not amused to say the least.
I resemble that remark!

Did my 10 years and had a great time thanks to guys like you. Won't happen again unless KLM are still throwing guys out before 65. Don't think I would enjoy it much nowadays though, too much work not enough play (like 5 days layover dunnunda!).
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Old 29th May 2017, 21:01
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flightwatch you are so right! Left at the right time, this company has changed to it's worse, management and pilot attitude wise.
On the other hand people are starting to live in the past and not fighting the
current situation, blaming it to the union which is fighting hard.
The biggest thread in Eu ops is the bloody EASA, just doing what the companies
want, designing rules that might work for Easy and Ryan but do kill you on long haul.
Enjoy your retirement! Good timing!!!
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Old 29th May 2017, 22:02
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@flightwatch
Indeed, it was great fun to fly with the ex-BA guys.

However at CV they have been occasionally used by management as leverage against the pilot group.

All the best for your retirement!
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 16:58
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I am applying too, just right now, awaiting a reply.

When i read here the latest comments from2016/2017, then i can't get rid of the feeling it is all so political. But young guys asking substantial questions are not heard.

Ok, we understood that conditions seem to became worse or tighter than before.
And we all know that cargo aviation is not the easiest one.

But when i look back to the places where i worked for or am talking with other pilots in some layover pubs, then i barely find anyone who is satisfied. The majority of pilots seem to complain about their rosters, payment, training dept or whatever.
And maybe it is good so, because without complaints there wouldn't be anybimprovement.

Well, for my point, i will just await if i will be invited. And then see further. All the same discussion i had before already with previous airlines.
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 22:28
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And your point is ?
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Old 13th Jun 2017, 22:21
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Cargolux signs equity contract for launch of Henan Cargo Airlines ? Air Cargo News

So the brand CARGOLUX CHINA will never happen?
For those pilots who where interested in Cargolux China, things might change?
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 21:31
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Originally Posted by ray cosmic View Post
What you have been provided with is information that led to the current state of affairs by the ones that have a couple years within CV. They see a decline in conditions which in the grand scheme of things seem to make little sense. The newer guys might lay low in their first year, but feedback on the line is that their life is really pretty tough. Rosterchanges, little off time, not enough money. Nothing one cannot survive, but the better half at home is living through this tough time as well and they might not be as patient. Unless you did this kind of operation before, seriously have a sitdown at home to see if they like to play along. For us to fly the longhaul takes a toll on the private side which is often overlooked, and by the time you realize it it might be too late.
In effect you will have 6 days per month you can count on to be home - and the vacation when you have so scheduled. This means anything you need to do, such as medical, accountant, medical specialist or anything not easily changed needs to take place in those few days. In hindsight your rosters will look alright, but the inability to plan anything is something you'll have to get used to. Most of us are still frustrated though when the FOD get changed or a flight is delayed into the off days or vacation.
I have been too long with CV to know how it is "out there" now, but the input from the newer guys is that they did not expect it to be this hard living the CV life.

and that's why I left CV...
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 21:45
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And where did you go if I may ask?
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 13:14
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@raycosmic

@trancada, the brand Cargolux China was only temporary, mostly used to give a common name to the joint venture project. I did not hear anything that would suggest any change.

What would suggest a change to what has been said and PRINTED in the last two years is the fact that the name CARGOLUX does not appear anymore in this project.
Cargolux will only be a minority shareholder, its name vanished completely from the project.
What happens now to the offers, pilots interested in Cargolux China, received, well, future will tell.
But I find it hard to believe that the luxembourgish state will agree on pilots working for a chinese company in china to pay their social contributions and health insurance for the family in Lux. Why should the state do this?
History shows that Jade Cargo (Jade Cargo, Lufthansa held 10% of the shares) was bound to chinese rules and regulations. No social contributions or health insurance in Germany possible, as LH was only a minority shareholder......
Imagine all the companies in the world with luxembourgish shareholders would get the same treatment......
The Cargolux pilots that voiced their interest in joining the airline in China for a rapid command opportunity might be overthinking the risk involved now.
Are there any guarantees that you can keep everything you have in Lux and get even more by being upgraded in China? Off-days in Europe, social security in Lux, health insurance for your family in Lux? And after you got your command and your hours in china, you will return to Lux like you were never gone?
I don't think so and would be quite surprised if this would materialize like announced.

.......let's wait and see..............

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Old 19th Jul 2017, 09:24
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Cargolux China now Henan Cargo Airlines

Cargolux China was a project name until the official shareholder agreement was signed in June 2017. Nothing in regards to the project has changed except that an official name for the future airline has been published. Chinese regulations are very strict when it comes to the approval of names for an airline. Henan Cargo Airlines will be owned 75% by chinese shareholders, mainly HNCA located in the Henan province and 25% by Cargolux Airlines Int. S.A. As from the very beginning intended the operating base of Henan Cargo Airlines will be Zhengzhou and therefore all employee contracts will be chinese contracts without any association to the Luxembourgish social system. Start/End of Duty however will be Luxembourg on both schemes. 14 On/12 Off and 18 On/17 Off. A global health insurance and LOL will be provided by Henan Cargo Airlines.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Couchpotatoe View Post
The Cargolux pilots that voiced their interest in joining the airline in China for a rapid command opportunity might be overthinking the risk involved now.
Are there any guarantees that you can keep everything you have in Lux and get even more by being upgraded in China? Off-days in Europe, social security in Lux, health insurance for your family in Lux? And after you got your command and your hours in china, you will return to Lux like you were never gone?
I don't think so and would be quite surprised if this would materialize like announced.
According to the present CWA you would lose your seniority after having been on unpaid leave exceeding a consecutive period of 3 years.
Better think again before leaving CLX.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 10:59
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Just wondered if anyone is attending next weeks assessment (24-26.7)?

Feel free to PM.

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Old 24th Jul 2017, 21:26
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What do you want to know exactly?
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 10:33
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ATPL test cargolux

Hi guys,
Does anyone know if there is an ATPL test during these 3 days? If yes, how many questions?

Nice week for all!
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 19:32
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Thanks 👍🏽 It Looks like no one wants to give any tip about the screening...
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