Cargolux details requested!
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From: Aberdeen
Hello,
I sat the Mollymawk tests but failed the spatial orientation one (ball in a rotating maze), allowed to have another go, failed again. That’s it, can reapply in 2 years.
from reading this thread, I might have dodged a bullet.
They seem to have a pilot shortage and put huge faIth in those tests... I’m a 4000+ hr regional airline Captain, never failed a sim, good record.... but I can’t steer a ball through a maze. I think I could practice that all my days and never pass it !
They have standards though so I have to suck it up.
hey ho. Stay safe.
I sat the Mollymawk tests but failed the spatial orientation one (ball in a rotating maze), allowed to have another go, failed again. That’s it, can reapply in 2 years.
from reading this thread, I might have dodged a bullet.
They seem to have a pilot shortage and put huge faIth in those tests... I’m a 4000+ hr regional airline Captain, never failed a sim, good record.... but I can’t steer a ball through a maze. I think I could practice that all my days and never pass it !
They have standards though so I have to suck it up.
hey ho. Stay safe.
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From: usa
I think you are correct dodging the bullet, 5 Type Rated pilots interviewed this month all current and qualified and operating for other carriers. All made it through day after day after day of selection stuff.....group excercises, role playing, technical exam, interviews, extensive medicals etc etc etc....all made it to sim and guess what? no one passed and no one offered a job!
Must be the only place you actually give BLOOD and do not get offered a job.
Conclusion is and we were advised this is all purposeful, they do not want to employ people and want to keep short of pilots to drive the working agreement and salary upwards. They do not care that they waste a lot of your time and money over and over ....more than 3000 euros in all to attend these exams and interviews, for nothing.
the law of averages says at least 1 person should have been offered a job if all was kosha.
Don't waste your time and money guys unless you really want to go there, if so wait until after the new working agreement is ratified.
Must be the only place you actually give BLOOD and do not get offered a job.
Conclusion is and we were advised this is all purposeful, they do not want to employ people and want to keep short of pilots to drive the working agreement and salary upwards. They do not care that they waste a lot of your time and money over and over ....more than 3000 euros in all to attend these exams and interviews, for nothing.
the law of averages says at least 1 person should have been offered a job if all was kosha.
Don't waste your time and money guys unless you really want to go there, if so wait until after the new working agreement is ratified.
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From: Milan
Maybe the word from somebody who was recently successful and was offered the job would help. Could you tell us how many of your badge passed ?
I am in between Mollymawk and the 3 days in house. Thanks
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From: Findel
I really don't think CLX want to keep short of pilots by purposely failing candidates. KLM needs plenty (hundreds) of pilots in the incoming future, so many guys would leave if called. Just read the previous posts to guess why. On top of that, many of our guys are going to retire in the next five to ten years. New aeroplanes are coming the next year, too. Thereby, we need people. I am personally ashamed of the tear and wear that you are going through to join us. I wish you had the same conditions as me, which you deserve, for sure. I'm extremely sorry for the hassle.
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From: Japan
I really don't think CLX want to keep short of pilots by purposely failing candidates. KLM needs plenty (hundreds) of pilots in the incoming future, so many guys would leave if called. Just read the previous posts to guess why. On top of that, many of our guys are going to retire in the next five to ten years. New aeroplanes are coming the next year, too. Thereby, we need people. I am personally ashamed of the tear and wear that you are going through to join us. I wish you had the same conditions as me, which you deserve, for sure. I'm extremely sorry for the hassle.
Sometime i think my wish to join cargo is to be tired of flying pax, and the problems associated to this.
About new planes , 3 more B744, next year, probably from NCA-NIPPON CARGO AIRLINES? As they said after a great inspection and a restructuring plan the only want to operate the 747-8.
The first year salaries are quite low, and living cost in Luxembourg is very high. Luxembourg is a nice country , i like it. With family with 2 children you have the state aid, per month, but house renting is huge. What the average salary expected NET? If you accept to work out of your roster, how ,much can you take home?
I see quite often the operation in FR24, i believe that you never do the same flight. Always a challenge. So variable. Today there where some curious flights, TPE-BKK, BAH-SGN,LUX-CGO, crossing the world every time , tonight 2 aircraft at same time ANC-ORD (LX-ECV and LX-VCM(Cutaway Livery) but "on the other side of the coin” a lot of delays.
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From: Amantido
I know SkyTest added the maze test in one of their software, but can't tell about the others.
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From: Amantido
I have never taken the Mollymawk test, the only thing I can tell you is that it has been developed by a former DLR psychologist.
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From: Bonvoy Marriott
Trancada, with all the extra’s and per diems you roughly earn nett what you earn gross in the first year. You might work the ocassional extra day but bear in mind that you do not have many days at home as it is. Especially if you bring your family over you might treasure your time at home more than a few extra euro’s. Believe me, crewcontrol will use you to the max anyway! Expect many changes and massive delays! If I were you I would wait until the CWA negotiations have ended.
Whatever kind of experience you have, as long as you fulfill min req’s you should get an invite. Many guys here with only Airbus experience.
I do not believe they fail people on purpose. You receive a package from CLX to prepare mollymawk. No need to fork out hundreds of euro’s. The selection is tough but doable.
Whatever kind of experience you have, as long as you fulfill min req’s you should get an invite. Many guys here with only Airbus experience.
I do not believe they fail people on purpose. You receive a package from CLX to prepare mollymawk. No need to fork out hundreds of euro’s. The selection is tough but doable.
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From: UR978 southbound
Food for thought:
https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/
CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession.
Cargolux China project is stopped indefinitely.
However we need way more people to join CLX who are willing to work under the B-scale conditions!
Please join and make my rosters stable again! At the moment my schedule changes on an hourly basis (no kidding).
Same time new guys are leaving again which puts more strain on the training department.
https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/
CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession.
Cargolux China project is stopped indefinitely.
However we need way more people to join CLX who are willing to work under the B-scale conditions!
Please join and make my rosters stable again! At the moment my schedule changes on an hourly basis (no kidding).
Same time new guys are leaving again which puts more strain on the training department.
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From: usa
The Molly ask prep is provided and is not difficult, you just have to dedicate time to doing it. Multiple flights
to findel however are very expensive, as are the hotels, they will offer a company rate but the hotels will be full so you have
to pay full rate somewhere and that is expensive. You will need to stay close or have rental car expense also expensive to go
to your medical.
As mentioned previously no one is offered a job at the end of it that I have heard of and that is 12 people in the last 2 months
7 of whom type rated and current ( maybe more) this is only the one I know about and have emails from.
8 of us are back on type with other companies the other guys returned to 767 757 737
so think carefully if you really want this job before you waste YOUR time and YOUR money on what appears to be a futile
exercise, so they can report back “ there are no suitable candidates applying, we need a pay rise so we can offer money money
to findel however are very expensive, as are the hotels, they will offer a company rate but the hotels will be full so you have
to pay full rate somewhere and that is expensive. You will need to stay close or have rental car expense also expensive to go
to your medical.
As mentioned previously no one is offered a job at the end of it that I have heard of and that is 12 people in the last 2 months
7 of whom type rated and current ( maybe more) this is only the one I know about and have emails from.
8 of us are back on type with other companies the other guys returned to 767 757 737
so think carefully if you really want this job before you waste YOUR time and YOUR money on what appears to be a futile
exercise, so they can report back “ there are no suitable candidates applying, we need a pay rise so we can offer money money
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From: The Moon
He is referring to the SIM instructors intentionally failing candidates, to show management that there are no suitable guys and gals
Therefore more leverage to ask for pay rise.
He is warning people to not waste their time and money on applying for this job, since it would be a fail anyway, regardless of their performance.
If I understood that right
Therefore more leverage to ask for pay rise.
He is warning people to not waste their time and money on applying for this job, since it would be a fail anyway, regardless of their performance.
If I understood that right
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From: usa
Confirmed in what aeroshizzle says.
for couch potatoe, pay attention ....pilot pay rise means instructors even bigger pay rise.....the assessors are PILOTS, and if a whole bunch of others pilots current and qualified on type ....all operating safely elsewhere can pass everything Cargolux can throw at them over 5 days EXCEPT the sim assessment.....coincidently the only part of the assessment done by PILOTS ..........where does the problem lie.
5 other companies and 7 other aviation authorities have approved those applicant pilots ability to safely operate the B747 but Cargolux assessors say NO they are not. Either they think themselves elitist OR it could be that they are saying their own training department is not up to the task of training those people to Cargolux standard!
You decide, do they think they are really something special that the rest of us really cannot make the grade or are they not special enough that their trainers are not able to train current qualified pilots with proven track records. There is a problem somewhere within Cargolux because the people showing up are motivated or they would not have put themselves through all the time and expense required if they were not serious applicants.
i will stick with the original theory, that they are being failed at the end on purpose,as previously stated the law of averages says some should have made it.
the comforting thought is that eventually they will have to hire some people and those people will grab the type rating and then realize they have a long haul job with many roster changes and they will leave as soon as they can get another job. They usual Whitney ass ...I want a quality of life and to be at home more!
this will cost the company a lot of money, when they could have had pilots who have previous experience of rosters lasting 1 day...the day it is issued, being away 6 or 7 weeks at a time due to roster changes, days off almost always down route somewhere., flying aircraft this aircraft without an auto pilot or maybe without FMS and to remote areas of the world you only heard of that day. Where No one does your figures for you etc etc etc.
but hey, all training expenses are tax deductible, right!
for couch potatoe, pay attention ....pilot pay rise means instructors even bigger pay rise.....the assessors are PILOTS, and if a whole bunch of others pilots current and qualified on type ....all operating safely elsewhere can pass everything Cargolux can throw at them over 5 days EXCEPT the sim assessment.....coincidently the only part of the assessment done by PILOTS ..........where does the problem lie.
5 other companies and 7 other aviation authorities have approved those applicant pilots ability to safely operate the B747 but Cargolux assessors say NO they are not. Either they think themselves elitist OR it could be that they are saying their own training department is not up to the task of training those people to Cargolux standard!
You decide, do they think they are really something special that the rest of us really cannot make the grade or are they not special enough that their trainers are not able to train current qualified pilots with proven track records. There is a problem somewhere within Cargolux because the people showing up are motivated or they would not have put themselves through all the time and expense required if they were not serious applicants.
i will stick with the original theory, that they are being failed at the end on purpose,as previously stated the law of averages says some should have made it.
the comforting thought is that eventually they will have to hire some people and those people will grab the type rating and then realize they have a long haul job with many roster changes and they will leave as soon as they can get another job. They usual Whitney ass ...I want a quality of life and to be at home more!
this will cost the company a lot of money, when they could have had pilots who have previous experience of rosters lasting 1 day...the day it is issued, being away 6 or 7 weeks at a time due to roster changes, days off almost always down route somewhere., flying aircraft this aircraft without an auto pilot or maybe without FMS and to remote areas of the world you only heard of that day. Where No one does your figures for you etc etc etc.
but hey, all training expenses are tax deductible, right!
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ehm flydog, I’m pretty certain your reasoning is completely off the mark. Then again, you seem to be an expert candidate in selections as you seem to have applied for plenty of airlines in the last years.
Seeing your reaction here it was perhaps a wise decision they did not hire you. The people running your sim look at many more things than your raw data skills, (and have been doing so for a good while) and simply found something which made them think you wouldn’t be a good addition the team.
Did you ask them why they didn’t offer you a contract?
Seeing your reaction here it was perhaps a wise decision they did not hire you. The people running your sim look at many more things than your raw data skills, (and have been doing so for a good while) and simply found something which made them think you wouldn’t be a good addition the team.
Did you ask them why they didn’t offer you a contract?
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From: Milan
.....this is a holy truth !!!
Flydog is not the first one "suggesting" numbers don't match. This subject was touched before not too many pages behind.....
Even focusing on something else I come to the same conclusion and must agree that something is "strange" to say the least....
The on going recruitment has been open for nearly 2 years now. The first invitations to the Mollimawk must have started in the first quarter of 2017.....and nearly 2 years later pilots are still being invited for the process at the rate of what....4-5 per week if not more ? For a need of how many pilots ? With a fleet of 23 or 24 ? Sounds a looooong time to find suitable candidates. It takes much less to NASA in finding suitable astronauts !!!
So, let's be realistic.....something is not right.
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From: D(Emona)
You might also find a problem in the pilot group. Some think they are entitled to much more than they really are. Wrong, you need to earn that over time.
Companies have changed a lot from 'past times'. Working for a well-known name and under union contract doesn't mean a dream job anymore.
Companies have changed a lot from 'past times'. Working for a well-known name and under union contract doesn't mean a dream job anymore.
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From: .
Food for thought:
https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/
CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession.
https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/
CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession.
“If there is overcapacity, we still have fleet flexibility and we can park aircraft at no cost just to keep that flexibility."
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