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Cargolux details requested!

Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:57
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@aeroshizzle...

Nothing personal...but wasn't the entry requirement 3000 hours..??
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 13:26
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hello guys,

any chance to get a small insight into roster (off days) at cargolux.

highly appreciated
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 14:25
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Well...I'm just one of the guys having to guide you and others with very limited experience around the world....
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 06:16
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Hi

Could someone please tell me the approximate total take home pay for a new FO (salary plus flight pay/per Diems etc).
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 06:39
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About the same I'm paying my cleaning lady !
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 09:57
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Originally Posted by hawkeye red View Post
Well...I'm just one of the guys having to guide you and others with very limited experience around the world....
Great, looking forward to your guidance.

Question: what do you think is a good experience to have to start Cargolux?
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 12:44
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....a lot lot more than you have....
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 14:12
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Originally Posted by hawkeye red View Post
....a lot lot more than you have....
Luckily for me, you're not doing the recruitment

See you real soon captain
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 15:18
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Originally Posted by hawkeye red View Post
....a lot lot more than you have....
Chuck Yeager is it you?
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 23:50
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The reason you got in is because experienced and qualified guys will not work under the conditions offered - you were not hired because of your qualifications, but rather as a simple sign of supply and demand....
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 07:05
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Originally Posted by hawkeye red View Post
The reason you got in is because experienced and qualified guys will not work under the conditions offered - you were not hired because of your qualifications, but rather as a simple sign of supply and demand....
Ouch that hurt
I hope you put your request not to fly with juniors, would not want to be such a burden to you.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 08:10
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Would someone mind telling me how much an FO makes on top of the basic salary. I've been invited to assessment but really surprised at how low the starting salary is. It's a significant pay cut on my current job, but perhaps per diems, duty pay etc boosts it to a more realistic level ?
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 08:50
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Originally Posted by buzzc152 View Post
Would someone mind telling me how much an FO makes on top of the basic salary. I've been invited to assessment but really surprised at how low the starting salary is. It's a significant pay cut on my current job, but perhaps per diems, duty pay etc boosts it to a more realistic level ?
Dear buzzc, please see my previous post on this tread. Coming to cargolux go get the bucks is a No go. But if you live close by or have other personal reason. I would say that makes more sense.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Hank Moody View Post
Dear buzzc, please see my previous post on this tread. Coming to cargolux go get the bucks is a No go. But if you live close by or have other personal reason. I would say that makes more sense.
Off course because getting a 747 type rating is something that you get at every street corner...

If the aim of your life is to make money then you chose the wrong job!
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 16:17
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Originally Posted by Aeroshizzle View Post
Ouch that hurt
I hope you put your request not to fly with juniors, would not want to be such a burden to you.

With your 2200 hours Avro time you should be ok, however you need to realise that not that long ago guys joining typically had around 5000+ hours 737/320 and in some cases substantial PIC time (that was the case in my TR group at least). However with the current deal they (apparently) don't find these type of candidates anymore..

Having said that, back in the early 2000's there was a whole bunch hired with 1500 hours turboprop, all of whom have become real nice and competent commanders. So even though hawk eye has a point, it's a question of supply and demand, you should take these comments with a pinch of salt and don't worry too much
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 18:21
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Aeroshizzle. I wouldn't worry.

2000 jumbolina is a good starting block. An older 4 engine underpowered jet, flying into smaller airports- that is some good experience. No one was born knowing LH. Its one of those things where you have to get round the houses a few times to see how it's done, like any job in any industry. You don't pick these things up in a book or even 5000 hours pic in a piglet - it's one of those things, you do it for years you're gonna see some things and pick up the little quirks of the gig. Some crusty old gits in this industry make life harder than it needs be.

People having ago at experience is really a bent for their true frustration. That lower houred recruits are a sign that the terms and conditions have been damaged. This I have total sympathy for. That's not your fault though.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 03:24
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"With your 2200 hours Avro time you should be ok, however you need to realise that not that long ago guys joining typically had around 5000+ hours 737/320 and in some cases substantial PIC time (that was the case in my TR group at least). However with the current deal they (apparently) don't find these type of candidates anymore..

Having said that, back in the early 2000's there was a whole bunch hired with 1500 hours turboprop, all of whom have become real nice and competent commanders. So even though hawk eye has a point, it's a question of supply and demand, you should take these comments with a pinch of salt and don't worry too much"

When we hired 1500 hour prop guys back then it was because we could not get any qualified people - they were not on the market. They were all given extensive training, we had our fair share of firm land (some in the category of hard landings), virtually turning the company into a flight school. Today there are plenty of experienced and even type rated guys on the market, but they would never work under these conditions.
You can argue that 2000 on an RJ is enough - out of experience I disagree, and there is IMHO no doubt that Cargolux is playing with fire, when hiring less experienced guys like aeroshizzle....
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 05:58
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Like the one in LBV?
Wrinkled hull and structure, almost a write off.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 08:02
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Thanks final06....I believe that proves my point....
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 22:07
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Yes, because someone with 15000 hours, but maybe 5-10 landings a month in a busy year, could never run the risk of making a hard landing... . Good attitude for experienced drivers, "it won't happen to me because I have more than 5000 hours, must be just the newbies" .
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