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So tell me, how much grief have you given Northwest and FedEx about flying your cargo. There's been no Atlas departures out of Narita since the strike. Lots of FedEx and Northwest flights? You checking their flights, picketing their workplaces, calling their pilots in the dark of the nite, calling them Scabs?
So tell me, how much grief have you given Northwest and FedEx about flying your cargo. There's been no Atlas departures out of Narita since the strike. Lots of FedEx and Northwest flights? You checking their flights, picketing their workplaces, calling their pilots in the dark of the nite, calling them Scabs?
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....But this thread is not about Atlas pilots behavior, it is about yours. This is a Polar strike not an Atlas one. An Atlas pilot was fired because he wouldn't go past your picket line in MIA and many others were given time off without pay as they were "honoring" the ALPA defined picket line in ANC previous to the TRO. No Atlas pilot (other than management pilots) has knowingly carried Polar freight on their aircraft.
You are wrong about the definition of a scab and you are wrong about the definition of a picket line. Also, I live less than a mile from the ANC airport and I can tell you without a doubt that everything I said about the Picket lines in ANC is true.
If you want the Atlas Pilots support then put your picket line up 24/7 - don't expect them to do your dirty work for you.
You are wrong about the definition of a scab and you are wrong about the definition of a picket line. Also, I live less than a mile from the ANC airport and I can tell you without a doubt that everything I said about the Picket lines in ANC is true.
If you want the Atlas Pilots support then put your picket line up 24/7 - don't expect them to do your dirty work for you.
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AS FAR AS WE KNOW HE FDX MEC AND THE NWA CARGO MEC HAVE BEEN 100% BEHIND US AND HAVE INSTRUCTED THEIR CREW TO LOOK FOR AND REFUSE ANY AND ALL POLAR CARGO, AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT. ALSO, YOU GUYS ARE NOT ALOWED IN NRT,IF YOU WERE ,THE COMPANY WOULD TRY TO HAVE YOU FLY THERE.
AGAIN, IM NOT IN ANC AND I'M NOT CALLING YOU A SCAB, JUST ASKING YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR FUTURE. YOU CAN HELP US AND YOUR SELF. BE SELFISH AND HELP YOURSELF BY HELPING US, BUT FOR GODS SHAKE DON'T HELP CATO KEEP HIS JOB AND GET A PAY RAISE !!
AGAIN, IM NOT IN ANC AND I'M NOT CALLING YOU A SCAB, JUST ASKING YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR FUTURE. YOU CAN HELP US AND YOUR SELF. BE SELFISH AND HELP YOURSELF BY HELPING US, BUT FOR GODS SHAKE DON'T HELP CATO KEEP HIS JOB AND GET A PAY RAISE !!
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I heard there was one Polar guy at the border crossing betwween Canada and Alaska and they consider the whole state to be picketed. 
Also hear that due to their antics their "permit" to picket the ANC airport has been revoked. Now they are picketing the Atlas crew hotel - is that a legal picket line?
Just listen to that support going away!
Also hear that due to their antics their "permit" to picket the ANC airport has been revoked. Now they are picketing the Atlas crew hotel - is that a legal picket line?
Just listen to that support going away!
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"Your definition of what constitutes a scab is meaningless! Atlas crews flying Atlas cargo in an Atlas plane aren't scabs, no matter what you may think."
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Ah, but if it was only Atlas cargo, then we wouldn't have a 'problem', would we? If you're right, why the frantic defending of your actions?
So much guilt...seeping out of the keyboard onto your post.
Changing LAX-ICN from PAC 281 to GTI 281- sorry, but we don't see NWA, FDX etc. flying our trips with their planes. Sheesh, you could at least have gotten mgt. to change the flight number. Or would the Koreans not have bought off on that?
What's next for your crossers (and I say this in complete deference to the ballsy GTI boys that have stayed home) helicopters to ops? We can't picket the damned sky- or every entrance to LAX, or all the other back-door BS airports Atlas mgt. dreams up.
Your argument that we aren't there 'enough' is crap. We have 350 or so pilots, it's hard to keep up with your changing gateways...Elmendorf, Fairbanks etc, all over CONUS. It's a bloody shell game and you know it.
At COA, the only places that were picketed was out front of the terminal- and those guys that crossed- i.e., flew trips while the strike was on- were filthy scabs all the same.
The difference is, COA mgt. didn't have the courts in their back pockets...A picket line was a picket line, some days there were only 3 or 4 guys at BUR or SBA. Lorenzo didn't have the pull to have judges come out to play on a Sunday afternoon, like J and J and the Board do.
Enjoy your ill-gotten gravy and quick upgrades while you can- you'll have your turn with Cato n' co. soon enough.
And I'll watch you squirm and whine, and laugh...
TT
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Ah, but if it was only Atlas cargo, then we wouldn't have a 'problem', would we? If you're right, why the frantic defending of your actions?
So much guilt...seeping out of the keyboard onto your post.
Changing LAX-ICN from PAC 281 to GTI 281- sorry, but we don't see NWA, FDX etc. flying our trips with their planes. Sheesh, you could at least have gotten mgt. to change the flight number. Or would the Koreans not have bought off on that?
What's next for your crossers (and I say this in complete deference to the ballsy GTI boys that have stayed home) helicopters to ops? We can't picket the damned sky- or every entrance to LAX, or all the other back-door BS airports Atlas mgt. dreams up.
Your argument that we aren't there 'enough' is crap. We have 350 or so pilots, it's hard to keep up with your changing gateways...Elmendorf, Fairbanks etc, all over CONUS. It's a bloody shell game and you know it.
At COA, the only places that were picketed was out front of the terminal- and those guys that crossed- i.e., flew trips while the strike was on- were filthy scabs all the same.
The difference is, COA mgt. didn't have the courts in their back pockets...A picket line was a picket line, some days there were only 3 or 4 guys at BUR or SBA. Lorenzo didn't have the pull to have judges come out to play on a Sunday afternoon, like J and J and the Board do.
Enjoy your ill-gotten gravy and quick upgrades while you can- you'll have your turn with Cato n' co. soon enough.
And I'll watch you squirm and whine, and laugh...
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when the a gm motor plant goes on strike, picketers post themselves on the front door, and the whole site is considered struck. have you ever seen the size of those plants???
if you have the permit, one single picketer can struck one factori or work site . ( have you ever seen a picketed construction site? I have seen one where there was just one guy, the whole site was struck and no metal worker went in at the kci airport outskrts).
if they don't have the permit to conduct a picket they can't do it ( or they can but is meaningless and will get fined). but if they have they can. I don't know about the hotel, I'm pretty certain that since it is a neutral party on this conflict, picketing there, other than for informational purposes has no meaning at all.
I don't see the support for this strike wanning, quite the contrary, but if picketers at ANC are missbehaving the way you said, you shoud contact the strike center, your mec and national with your concerns, intead of just getting angry and do what goodbyepolar( i meant cato) wants you too.
personally, if we suvive I wil be happy sitting at home without pay when you guys go on strike. but then again I might have a better understanding of what is a stake here and what will be astake when you guys walk out.
if you have the permit, one single picketer can struck one factori or work site . ( have you ever seen a picketed construction site? I have seen one where there was just one guy, the whole site was struck and no metal worker went in at the kci airport outskrts).
if they don't have the permit to conduct a picket they can't do it ( or they can but is meaningless and will get fined). but if they have they can. I don't know about the hotel, I'm pretty certain that since it is a neutral party on this conflict, picketing there, other than for informational purposes has no meaning at all.
I don't see the support for this strike wanning, quite the contrary, but if picketers at ANC are missbehaving the way you said, you shoud contact the strike center, your mec and national with your concerns, intead of just getting angry and do what goodbyepolar( i meant cato) wants you too.
personally, if we suvive I wil be happy sitting at home without pay when you guys go on strike. but then again I might have a better understanding of what is a stake here and what will be astake when you guys walk out.
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Sorry TT,
The last LAX-ICN was 512 with a GT call sign not even close to 281; operated on the 25th and the customer was clearly KE. The next one is not until the 9th and again the customer is KE. Your credibility is fading as fast as your support.
If you only have 350 or so pilots then what made you think that you could motivate AAWWH in the first place. Your lack of pilots or structure is your problem and your ill concealed attempts to force the Atlas pilots to take an illegal work action are transparent to the rest of the world.
The Atlas pilots ARE supporting you but as far as I can see they are sick of being targeted for flying their own airplanes and carrying their customers freight. There are much better ways to garner their support than targeting ONLY their flights and trashing their cars as well as illegally picketing their crew hotel. Better get a clue fast - tomorrow is the 30th.
BD
The last LAX-ICN was 512 with a GT call sign not even close to 281; operated on the 25th and the customer was clearly KE. The next one is not until the 9th and again the customer is KE. Your credibility is fading as fast as your support.
If you only have 350 or so pilots then what made you think that you could motivate AAWWH in the first place. Your lack of pilots or structure is your problem and your ill concealed attempts to force the Atlas pilots to take an illegal work action are transparent to the rest of the world.
The Atlas pilots ARE supporting you but as far as I can see they are sick of being targeted for flying their own airplanes and carrying their customers freight. There are much better ways to garner their support than targeting ONLY their flights and trashing their cars as well as illegally picketing their crew hotel. Better get a clue fast - tomorrow is the 30th.
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Dream on, BD.
Last week, those were the flight numbers. You can make up anything you like in BD-land, like you always do...but you know what you are...sleep tight!
You've been talking trash about PAC and its crews since day 1 on this board, when you lied about not flying for GTI- and, spouting the J&J Kool-Aid, lied about PAC having 'no value' in spite of it's assets subsequently being used as collateral to keep AAWH solvent.
You and your like-minded bretheren are in the catbird seat now, sure, but when you try to negotiate your next contract... well, that's gonna be a hoot for me, even if I'm still on the street. I'll get a good laugh as I see GSS, AACS or whatever other alter-ego outfit J&J will use fly off into the sunset with a load of 'your' GTI cargo, while you stew and steam.
Whatever you allow through your actions or inactions to happen to us, you're gonna get it back, and take it from me, you won't like how it tastes. Remember that those judges, and relevant figures in gov't, all the way to the pResident, are biased towards mgt, NOT labor. Think you guys will get one of the black robes to come out at 4pm on a Sunday to rule in YOUR favor? Heh. Give me some o' what you're smoking.
Last week's LAX-ICN flight was a reflagged PAC trip- NOT a KAL charter. I was there, you weren't, I saw a copy of the release from a buddy in ops- fomerly OUR ops. So try another one.
And, I was there last night for the KAL trip when you clowns snuck in the back door for that one. Again, all reflagging issues aside, why the rat-like creeping around, flying into satellite airport, sneaking in back doors, with armed guards, if you and EricksonCato have nothing to hide? Hmm?
I'll be there tomorrow night, too, and will expect more of the same.
Maybe there will be a blimp, the SS AAWHCatoErickson, that will hover over the ramp and you will descend by rope ladder...whatever happens, you'll sneak by- over, under or around our admittedly thin lines, and comfort yourselves with the fantasy that you didn't fly struck freight for a struck airline.
Sleep tight, BD. As I said, you, and your like-minded bretheren, know what you are.
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Last week, those were the flight numbers. You can make up anything you like in BD-land, like you always do...but you know what you are...sleep tight!
You've been talking trash about PAC and its crews since day 1 on this board, when you lied about not flying for GTI- and, spouting the J&J Kool-Aid, lied about PAC having 'no value' in spite of it's assets subsequently being used as collateral to keep AAWH solvent.
You and your like-minded bretheren are in the catbird seat now, sure, but when you try to negotiate your next contract... well, that's gonna be a hoot for me, even if I'm still on the street. I'll get a good laugh as I see GSS, AACS or whatever other alter-ego outfit J&J will use fly off into the sunset with a load of 'your' GTI cargo, while you stew and steam.
Whatever you allow through your actions or inactions to happen to us, you're gonna get it back, and take it from me, you won't like how it tastes. Remember that those judges, and relevant figures in gov't, all the way to the pResident, are biased towards mgt, NOT labor. Think you guys will get one of the black robes to come out at 4pm on a Sunday to rule in YOUR favor? Heh. Give me some o' what you're smoking.
Last week's LAX-ICN flight was a reflagged PAC trip- NOT a KAL charter. I was there, you weren't, I saw a copy of the release from a buddy in ops- fomerly OUR ops. So try another one.
And, I was there last night for the KAL trip when you clowns snuck in the back door for that one. Again, all reflagging issues aside, why the rat-like creeping around, flying into satellite airport, sneaking in back doors, with armed guards, if you and EricksonCato have nothing to hide? Hmm?
I'll be there tomorrow night, too, and will expect more of the same.
Maybe there will be a blimp, the SS AAWHCatoErickson, that will hover over the ramp and you will descend by rope ladder...whatever happens, you'll sneak by- over, under or around our admittedly thin lines, and comfort yourselves with the fantasy that you didn't fly struck freight for a struck airline.
Sleep tight, BD. As I said, you, and your like-minded bretheren, know what you are.
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Very heated rhetoric. I shall try to stick to the facts and would like some sensible replies and comments.
Atlas Airplane
Giant Callsign
JFK-DOV
Customer AMC
Atlas operations tell (The Crew) to go to Building 21 in the HOTEL VAN in which there are also 3 Kallitta guys.
Videod leaving hotel.
Followed to Bldg 21 by car, being videod.
500 yards from building 21, on an approach road, 3 picketting Polar guys approach the side of the road as the hotel van passes by.
Hotel van stops outside of Bldg 21 and Kallitta crew de-bus.
(The Crew) stay on van and refuse to enter Buliding 21 as
(The Crew) consider it picketted.
(The Crew) call operations to inform them that they are not entering Bldg 21 as they consider it picketted even though the picketters are not even in sight, only the video car.
Mike Bryant (CP) tells (The Crew) to go in and go to work.
(The Crew) refuse.
Port Authority Police arrive and tell picketters and video car to leave as they have no permit to picket in this area.
(The Crew) still refuse to go in.
Half an hour later (The Crew) are taken by Atlas van to the other side of the airport, through an access gate where there are no pickets.
Flight departs late.
Have (The Crew) followed MEC/ALPA guidance?
Have (The Crew) behaved honorably?
Should (The Crew) have done something else?
Is it a legal picket?
What exactly is being picketted?
Atlas Airplane
Giant Callsign
JFK-DOV
Customer AMC
Atlas operations tell (The Crew) to go to Building 21 in the HOTEL VAN in which there are also 3 Kallitta guys.
Videod leaving hotel.
Followed to Bldg 21 by car, being videod.
500 yards from building 21, on an approach road, 3 picketting Polar guys approach the side of the road as the hotel van passes by.
Hotel van stops outside of Bldg 21 and Kallitta crew de-bus.
(The Crew) stay on van and refuse to enter Buliding 21 as
(The Crew) consider it picketted.
(The Crew) call operations to inform them that they are not entering Bldg 21 as they consider it picketted even though the picketters are not even in sight, only the video car.
Mike Bryant (CP) tells (The Crew) to go in and go to work.
(The Crew) refuse.
Port Authority Police arrive and tell picketters and video car to leave as they have no permit to picket in this area.
(The Crew) still refuse to go in.
Half an hour later (The Crew) are taken by Atlas van to the other side of the airport, through an access gate where there are no pickets.
Flight departs late.
Have (The Crew) followed MEC/ALPA guidance?
Have (The Crew) behaved honorably?
Should (The Crew) have done something else?
Is it a legal picket?
What exactly is being picketted?
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Just some old timer perspective.
I worked for Polar. Now I don't.
The first few years, Polar made some money. Now they don't.
When the last Polar contact was negotiated, GE was the owner. Now they're not.
I've walked picket lines since the Continental strike in '83. CAL, EAL, UAL, been there. Put my signature on a contract in 1985. And paid dues since 1983.
Now, let me say, in all the strikes I've ever been a part of, the Polar strike is the most unorganized bunch of junk I've ever seen. At the CAL strike, they still let the commuters bring in and take out passengers, even though they were ALPA folks (Royale) Yea, some radical folks at CAL asked Royale to do some nasty stuff like getting into CAL planes and trashing manuals and equipment, which never happened.
One thing that never happened then, even though Frank Lorenzo was involved, CAL never ever sought out to destroy EAL. Yea, they bitched a bunch, but never targeted the EAL guys as taking away CAL work.
Now, we've got the Polar guys going directly after their brothers at Atlas, a sister company. How bizzarre, what's the goal of the PAC MEC, to realize their stated goal of shutting down AAWH altogether, and kill 900 jobs instead of their own 300 or so?
The PAC MEC has operated in the spirit of Bob Fell, mean and short sighted. While double B Bobb has said the correct words in the lead up to the current strike, the actions of his troops have belied him.
You guys at Polar are in the midst of the 30th of September, Ultimatum day as I understand the literature. If you guys want any piece of the Boeing contract, the Qatar contract, best tell Bobb to turn belly up.
900 of us can get them, 300 are a sneeze.
I worked for Polar. Now I don't.
The first few years, Polar made some money. Now they don't.
When the last Polar contact was negotiated, GE was the owner. Now they're not.
I've walked picket lines since the Continental strike in '83. CAL, EAL, UAL, been there. Put my signature on a contract in 1985. And paid dues since 1983.
Now, let me say, in all the strikes I've ever been a part of, the Polar strike is the most unorganized bunch of junk I've ever seen. At the CAL strike, they still let the commuters bring in and take out passengers, even though they were ALPA folks (Royale) Yea, some radical folks at CAL asked Royale to do some nasty stuff like getting into CAL planes and trashing manuals and equipment, which never happened.
One thing that never happened then, even though Frank Lorenzo was involved, CAL never ever sought out to destroy EAL. Yea, they bitched a bunch, but never targeted the EAL guys as taking away CAL work.
Now, we've got the Polar guys going directly after their brothers at Atlas, a sister company. How bizzarre, what's the goal of the PAC MEC, to realize their stated goal of shutting down AAWH altogether, and kill 900 jobs instead of their own 300 or so?
The PAC MEC has operated in the spirit of Bob Fell, mean and short sighted. While double B Bobb has said the correct words in the lead up to the current strike, the actions of his troops have belied him.
You guys at Polar are in the midst of the 30th of September, Ultimatum day as I understand the literature. If you guys want any piece of the Boeing contract, the Qatar contract, best tell Bobb to turn belly up.
900 of us can get them, 300 are a sneeze.
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I think I should explain: We'd be happy for the revenue carrying your "struck" cargo. Brotherhood? Get real, what planet are you living on?
The european outfit I work for would fly those pallets, wouldn't even bat an eyelid. So would LH/AF/BA etc.
The european outfit I work for would fly those pallets, wouldn't even bat an eyelid. So would LH/AF/BA etc.
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I am totally bewildered by some of the logic I have heard here.
This thing is playing out like a bad soap opera, but I know that every AAWH move has been calculated and thought out like a surgeon performing an operation and it definetly helps if you have friends in D.C. which is totally obvious. I dont know the resources that "NATIONAL" has given Polar but if this thing goes down in flames, ALPA will again be the butt of CEO jokes i.e. Emery, TWA. but it was set up (Polar/Atlas) to cause decension among the employees, both groups have felt they brought the "steak" to the dinner table. Atlas has been a shell of itself since Chowdry died (ie "Most Financially Fit Airline" BBJ'in around to drum up business), Polar has been a "rudderless ship" because of the failures of management in all cases (Wallace, GECAS, AAWWH)but the one thing that has happened in both cases is management has gotten rich and the crews have remained underpaid and overworked. All I can say is guys the picture that is playing out is bigger than Polar/Atlas, the fighting is all calculated, the transferring of planes, loss of jobs, baiting with A380's, crewmembers calling for the ousting of their MEC but the one thing they did not count on is the little boys and girls putting their differences aside and standing together (if only in SPIRIT!!). Whether the strategies employed by Polar against Atlas are right or wrong, it needs to end on the personal level and the "generals" need to bring solidarity back to the group ASAP!!! the guy u call a scab today could be ur sim checker tomorrow(remember there is a proposed merger after the contract is settled and then the REAL FIGHT begins
Polar!!! Atlas!!! in the words of a famous guy that got his ass kicked by the LAPD "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!
P.S. ALL OF YOUR JOBS ARE AT STAKE, TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
Good Luck My Fellow Aviators
This thing is playing out like a bad soap opera, but I know that every AAWH move has been calculated and thought out like a surgeon performing an operation and it definetly helps if you have friends in D.C. which is totally obvious. I dont know the resources that "NATIONAL" has given Polar but if this thing goes down in flames, ALPA will again be the butt of CEO jokes i.e. Emery, TWA. but it was set up (Polar/Atlas) to cause decension among the employees, both groups have felt they brought the "steak" to the dinner table. Atlas has been a shell of itself since Chowdry died (ie "Most Financially Fit Airline" BBJ'in around to drum up business), Polar has been a "rudderless ship" because of the failures of management in all cases (Wallace, GECAS, AAWWH)but the one thing that has happened in both cases is management has gotten rich and the crews have remained underpaid and overworked. All I can say is guys the picture that is playing out is bigger than Polar/Atlas, the fighting is all calculated, the transferring of planes, loss of jobs, baiting with A380's, crewmembers calling for the ousting of their MEC but the one thing they did not count on is the little boys and girls putting their differences aside and standing together (if only in SPIRIT!!). Whether the strategies employed by Polar against Atlas are right or wrong, it needs to end on the personal level and the "generals" need to bring solidarity back to the group ASAP!!! the guy u call a scab today could be ur sim checker tomorrow(remember there is a proposed merger after the contract is settled and then the REAL FIGHT begins
Polar!!! Atlas!!! in the words of a famous guy that got his ass kicked by the LAPD "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!
P.S. ALL OF YOUR JOBS ARE AT STAKE, TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
Good Luck My Fellow Aviators
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listen to the latest atlas vars message bvr drvr about picket lines and picketers. that is your perfect exuse not to fly and help yourself and Polar, remeber, in 18 months or so , if there is no merger, we ( there probably won't be) we at polar will do the same. again listen to your MEC vars, and don't cross any picket line regarless of were it is or how many people have.
CR2 , when your europen outfit flyes those pallets, they are being contracted by a freight forwarder the used to use Polar, therefore no money goes to polar (or aawwh). a freight forwarder has obviously every right to change vendors, just like if ups strikes you would send your cristmas gift via dhl or fedex.
CR2 , when your europen outfit flyes those pallets, they are being contracted by a freight forwarder the used to use Polar, therefore no money goes to polar (or aawwh). a freight forwarder has obviously every right to change vendors, just like if ups strikes you would send your cristmas gift via dhl or fedex.
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Isn't Kalitta ALPA - did the Polaroid take their pictures and ask them not to enter building 21? This is the problem with Polar's strike once more with feeling especially for TT who seems so intent on making this personal:
YOU ARE LAZY! YOU ARE DISORGANIZED! YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS SOLD YOU OUT! YOU HAVE PLAYED RIGHT INTO EL-CATO'S HANDS! YOU WILL NOT WALK A PROPER PICKET LINE! YOU ARE ONLY CONCENTRATING ON ATLAS PILOTS (WHO NOW ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO FLY YOUR FREIGHT AND EVEN YOUR AIRPLANES IF AAWWH WANTS THEM TO) WHILE EVERYONE ELSE AND HIS BROTHER IS CARRYING YOUR FREIGHT!
I HAVE SAID THIS FROM THE BEGGINING - ATLAS PILOTS WILL HONOR A PROPER AND LEGAL PICKET LINE. WHAT THEY WILL NOT HONOR IS SPECIFICALLY BEING TARGETED AND HARRASSED WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING IN ANC.
Isn't Kalitta ALPA - did the Polaroid take their pictures and ask them not to enter building 21? This is the problem with Polar's strike once more with feeling especially for TT who seems so intent on making this personal:
YOU ARE LAZY! YOU ARE DISORGANIZED! YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS SOLD YOU OUT! YOU HAVE PLAYED RIGHT INTO EL-CATO'S HANDS! YOU WILL NOT WALK A PROPER PICKET LINE! YOU ARE ONLY CONCENTRATING ON ATLAS PILOTS (WHO NOW ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO FLY YOUR FREIGHT AND EVEN YOUR AIRPLANES IF AAWWH WANTS THEM TO) WHILE EVERYONE ELSE AND HIS BROTHER IS CARRYING YOUR FREIGHT!
I HAVE SAID THIS FROM THE BEGGINING - ATLAS PILOTS WILL HONOR A PROPER AND LEGAL PICKET LINE. WHAT THEY WILL NOT HONOR IS SPECIFICALLY BEING TARGETED AND HARRASSED WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING IN ANC.
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Last week's LAX-ICN flight was a reflagged PAC trip- NOT a KAL charter. I was there, you weren't, I saw a copy of the release from a buddy in ops- fomerly OUR ops. So try another one.
Give us ALL the details for this alleged GTI281! Day? Departure time? Crew names?
The ONLY LAX-ICN flight shown on the Altas schedule since 16 Sep is GTI523, 28 Sep, 0130Z, 512MC. That airplane has been flying the Korean Air ACMI route for months! Usually it goes LAX-PDX-ANC-ICN because of the amount of westbound freight; once in a while it goes direct ICN-LAX empty (or nearly so).
So, somebody MAY have tried to put together a contingency to replace a Polar flight. Show us ANY indication it ever happened!
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kalitta is teamsters.again, your mec is very clear on their new vars. if you cross, you are a scab wheter you feel you are being harassed or not or wheter you think the line atcal was better organized. stop making excuses. you cross =you scab. your move chief
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A picket line at a hotel - regardless of what ALPA is temporarily (until it goes to court) saying, IS NOT a legal picket line. Put up a legal picket line where it counts AT THE AIRPORT or at the company ops office. Whats next - are you gonna be lazy enough to just put one picketer in Washington DC and claim the whole country is picketed.
GET REAL. Get off your butts and picket the airport.... or golly did your ANC airport permits get revoked because of your picketers antics I mentioned in a post above?
BD
GET REAL. Get off your butts and picket the airport.... or golly did your ANC airport permits get revoked because of your picketers antics I mentioned in a post above?
BD
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keep making excuses.you had an excuse when we picketed the airport and the building at ops. all the scabsi n any union history had good excuses. yours is just not the very best.
have fun crossing scabdrvr, it won't last
have fun crossing scabdrvr, it won't last
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A picket line at a hotel - regardless of what ALPA is temporarily (until it goes to court) saying, IS NOT a legal picket line.
Picketing the main, usually used entrance to flight operations at a given airport is okay, as long as the cheif pilot can sneak you in through the other side of the airport so you can scab the freight?
Having 10,000 picketers holding hands, completely surrounding an airport is okay, as long as a helicopter can fly you in over the picket so you can scab freight?
That is okay with you?
I sure wish I could see the look on your face when this happens to you my friend......
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If an airline suffers a strike then the passengers are rebooked onto other carriers who are usually happy to accept the extra revenue. The stuck freight does not belong to Polar, it belongs to the shippers and their clients. All the shipper has to do is to claim back the pallets, repack them, and send them with someone else. There are plenty of carriers with spare capacity to do this, and within a few days there will be no such thing as 'Polar' freight.
The Polar pilots have chosen the wrong time to make a stand. I wish you well, but please don't try to destroy the lives of the Atlas pilots who are trying to earn a living in difficult times.
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The Polar pilots have chosen the wrong time to make a stand. I wish you well, but please don't try to destroy the lives of the Atlas pilots who are trying to earn a living in difficult times.
Airclues