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Old 17th Jul 2023, 08:13
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You guys are halucinating, there are hardly any attractive jobs for experienced pilots on the market in Europe. Which is why nobody of you can name one. All you can do is post non-sensical, not asked for, non-attractive, escape, pseudo job offers.

Or, slightly more irritating even, you suddenly discover your wise and mindful inner side and announce with infinite wisdom that there are so many more important things in life than pay. Which of course is true, but it's like saying fasting is really healthy when asked for a certain recipe. It's just really very much annoying.

Piet, you are at Aerologic, and that is totally fine. If it makes you happy there, great. But it is one of the lowest paying long haul jobs in the Western hemisphere, just a fact. This doesn't mean it can make sense to go there, and please believe me I really mean that, but only if you have other priorities. Now, you can continue to play dumb, I can't stop you, but I was clearly talking about, and I say it one last time just for you, an attractive job for an experienced CX pilot, with reasonable working hours and promotion options. If you care, look it up, I verbatim stated it exactly like that above. I am not apologetic about my area of interest, why should I? And please, for the love of Jesus Christ, stop stalking me via PM's and go easy on large fonds. It's embarrassing.

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Old 17th Jul 2023, 09:39
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
You guys are halucinating, there are hardly any attractive jobs for experienced pilots on the market in Europe. Which is why nobody of you can name one. All you can do is post non-sensical, not asked for, non-attractive, escape, pseudo job offers.

Or, slightly more irritating even, you suddenly discover your wise and mindful inner side and announce with infinite wisdom that there are so many more important things in life than pay. Which of course is true, but it's like saying fasting is really healthy when asked for a certain recipe. It's just really very much annoying.

Piet, you are at Aerologic, and that is totally fine. If it makes you happy there, great. But it is one of the lowest paying long haul jobs in the Western hemisphere, just a fact. This doesn't mean it can make sense to go there, and please believe me I really mean that, but only if you have other priorities. Now, you can continue to play dumb, I can't stop you, but I was clearly talking about, and I say it one last time just for you, an attractive job for an experienced CX pilot, with reasonable working hours and promotion options. If you care, look it up, I verbatim stated it exactly like that above. I am not apologetic about my area of interest, why should I? And please, for the love of Jesus Christ, stop stalking me via PM's and go easy on large fonds. It's embarrassing.
Hahahaha, awesome, I hit a nerve.
You are once again: WRONG! (Wish I could use even larger font to piss you off even more).
I’m not at Aerologic, but know a few who are and they seem happy and decently paid.
Another couple of friends (experienced cx(small font) pilots, mind you) who just landed jobs at BA and KLM.

Happy to return the favour my friend, you too are annoying as f*ck and seem to think you know more than everyone else or that you are smarter than the average jockey out there.
Except, similar to some of us, you are oftentimes….WRONG!
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 10:28
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Sam Ting WRONG
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 10:57
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I think you two should just get a bottle of red and rent a hotel room together. Let the pillow fight determine the winner!
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 11:12
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Without prejudice...

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth
Joseph Goebbels

The big lie, to describe the use of a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
Mein Kampf

Four legs good, two legs bad.” “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
Animal Farm

Many Dictators, Communist, Socialist and other even Democratic Governments use these methods to control the narrative and thoughts of their proletarians.


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Old 17th Jul 2023, 11:56
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[QUOTE=Sam Ting Wong;11468797]You guys are halucinating, there are hardly any attractive jobs for experienced pilots on the market in Europe. Which is why nobody of you can name one. All you can do is post non-sensical, not asked for, non-attractive, escape, pseudo job offers.
Or, slightly more irritating even, you suddenly discover your wise and mindful inner side and announce with infinite wisdom that there are so many more important things in life than pay. Which of course is true, but it's like saying fasting is really healthy when asked for a certain recipe. It's just really very much annoying.




Many/most CX expats who have kids consider a job back home for less money to be a superior job.

You’re fine sitting in your one bedder in Tsing Yi, online gaming with your mates, but for many others there’s other considerations that have to be taken into account.

Living in a s###hole and earning 15% more on paper (which EASILY gets eaten up in school fees/extortionate grocery bills/accommodation/extra medical/etc..) hardly makes this a far superior job to letting your family live in a good country.
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Ah, but you see, none of those things are relevant because they don't apply to him. Merely annoying facts that he prefers to ignore.
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One more thing STW: if you compare salaries in Europe to the salary in the authoritarian ****hole that HKG has become, you have to realise you are comparing apples and oranges.
I never had to spend HKD70k+ a month in housing anywhere else on the planet.
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 16:32
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Does anyone know why the 5 same people keep arguing with each other every day on this forum?
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 19:54
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Does anyone know why the 5 same people keep arguing with each other every day on this forum?
It’s a tradition at this point and I’m all for it.
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Piet Lood
One more thing STW: if you compare salaries in Europe to the salary in the authoritarian ****hole that HKG has become, you have to realise you are comparing apples and oranges.
I never had to spend HKD70k+ a month in housing anywhere else on the planet.
Neither you would have that kind of money to spend anywhere else on the planet...
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 02:57
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Ha! That is so true but as cxflog says, it's tradition.
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 03:53
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Originally Posted by Climbpowder
Neither you would have that kind of money to spend anywhere else on the planet...
True, but “das war einmal”.
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 17:54
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Perhaps CX should take note of reality. The new United contract.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/un...tively-rise-40
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 21:45
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STW.
I have some friends over in Europe. Have you seen the Aerologic pay scales and the new agreement CargoLux has reached with its pilots? You are delusional.

Just to add, they are Conditions of Service and are "Contractural" and protected by very good labor laws. They are not Company Policy that can be changed at will
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70k rental…. I wonder what sort of houses CX staff stays in
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70K/mth rents you approx 1500sq ft.
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Old 19th Jul 2023, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Veruka Salt
70K/mth rents you approx 1500sq ft.
Or a mouldy village house.
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Originally Posted by Dingleberry Handpump
STW won’t admit when he’s wrong. There’s a significant shortage of pilots around the world. As mentioned above, those that made sensible financial decisions have the liberty of choice.

As an aside - if the pay is so poor elsewhere: which way is the flow of traffic?
What shortage?




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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
If you actually took the time to understand exactly what is meant by the global pilot shortage or read the statistics, you'll see that it is a global PROJECTED shortage, a FORECAST of demand for the next two decades or so.
Therefore, you may not be seeing the effects of it immediately (in present time) but airlines will be prepping for it because they do try to plan long-term, despite what many of you seem to think.
This is shown in part by the ordering of aircraft, and the need to acquire / train people to pilot and crew those aircraft when they are received.
If you understood this basic fact about aviation you'd know this.
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