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13th Month

Old 9th Nov 2018, 10:39
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HAHAHAHA,

lessonlearnt, You clearly display that wonderful snowflake, entitled generation arrogance. Zero experience, many warnings, and you still decided to join CX and grace us all with your wonderful attitude.

Nobody is happy here at CX, shouldn't we all be united in a fight against CX management? You clearly suffer from some childish jealousy, so you direct your immaturity at the Captains, bravo you complete clown.

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Old 9th Nov 2018, 14:25
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Looks like the votes are in Mr/Ms Lessonlearnt.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 15:09
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Angel

Originally Posted by lessonlearnt View Post



Captains in CX are the biggest P#%*yís in the company.
How can they stand up to anyone if most of them get bossed around by the ISM on the flight ?
What a bunch of non leaders - scared to ask for a cappuccino..... useless.

no wonder the company will take your 13th month. i know that SOís are taking massive sick leave that itís becoming a problem.
What do captains do ? F all thatís the answer.

Probably the bi%#*es of the company.

Bet all you captains will vote yes for your Housing..... why would you not? All selfish.

And newsflash no one give a rats ass about what you own in life.

Is this what happens when you sit on the useless jumpseat for five years. Grow-up
oh, and God bless you.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 23:38
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Originally Posted by lessonlearnt View Post



Captains in CX are the biggest P#%*yís in the company.
How can they stand up to anyone if most of them get bossed around by the ISM on the flight ?
What a bunch of non leaders - scared to ask for a cappuccino..... useless.

no wonder the company will take your 13th month. i know that SOís are taking massive sick leave that itís becoming a problem.
What do captains do ? F all thatís the answer.

Probably the bi%#*es of the company.

Bet all you captains will vote yes for your Housing..... why would you not? All selfish.

And newsflash no one give a rats ass about what you own in life.

Very bitter.
Next time you are offered a contract READ IT. Apparently you didn't read your CX one when you signed up. Maybe you wanted "mummy" to do it for you.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 00:11
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam View Post
@dctpub

Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.

Perhaps you missed the irony I was trying to point out that being paid for 13 months in a year that only has 12 is something the rest of the world would love, though many call it a bonus which has to be earned and is not a right. And before you ask, i don't get those either but that's not unusual either.

At the end of the day, you do still have the ultimate option, to find another job, just like the rest of us
Only a lurker but this post astounds me.

If it's customary to pay 13 months then that is expected by all parties.

Paying 12 months is a 9% pay cut.

You seem to be questioning why the compensation system should ever have been set up to pay 13 months in the first place.

Maybe it should have been set up that way and maybe it shouldn't.

I have no opinion on that but I can't see why it's relevant.

What seems to matter is that it was set up that way, that 13 months pay was customary, and now this is being changed to 12.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 01:26
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sptraveller,

Thank you for an intelligent post. THAT is exactly the point.

When the Hong Kong system is that you receive your tax assessment demanding a lump sum for early January, then all the "13th month" goes straight to the government anyway.

The policy change from "customary" to "discretionary" is an imposed 9% cut.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 03:33
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And what, exactly, did you lot do about it?
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 06:55
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On a personal note, I took a month off, and will do so again next year if they choose to treat us with that sort of contempt again. As mentioned earlier, deal with the facts, and get even. An extra month off at home is worth the money, at least at this stage of my life. I simply consider the value equation and adjust accordingly.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 11:35
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Agreed. Furthermore, if it's only a partial payment, I will consider it "not paid", and will take a full month off regardless. One year a travesty, two would be open contempt.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 20:45
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Lessonlearnt, I too do share your frustration as being an SO in this company and how long it is taking to move up the ranks.. But unfortunately we all knew what contract we were signing up to when they sent it to us and we all had the choice not to come. I can say that everyone in the company would want HKPA to be increased and know that it is well below rental prices in Hk. But I do firmly believe by protecting people on B scale and ARAPA which they are entitled to we are inadvertently protecting ourselves from further degradation of our COS 08 to POS18. Just a different point of view
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 07:54
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Well said ASTRO84!!! Lower your target and less to strive for!!
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 09:54
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Just a bit angry are we LL...?
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 10:09
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The GODís had strike their many years ago . And the outcome was the era of the 49í ers

Doing thorough research would confirm why you should , ( if you really must) , join with your eyes open.

VISIT HK , check out apartments, visit a school , drink a beer ! I dunoo , but I did this stuff years ago before I signed up. But that was on FO B scale .

But Please , as youíve discovered, using confirmation bias based on info from the guys on the interview panel will only lead to tears.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 01:24
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Anger

Originally Posted by lessonlearnt View Post
Astro

Please don't be ignorant.
So did we all know we were signing for 4.5 years as a SO? Did we all know that we would have no increase for the last couple years ? Did we all know that due to CX wanting to save money they screw SO's around? NO....I was told by CX that it was 2.5 years maximum! Yes maybe I should of looked at the snakes that were saying that. I have learnt a lesson never trust a word these 3rd floor "daddies boys" say.

Now protecting the B scale - I agree with you. I will never want them to be thrown under the bus for our gains - but have we as LEP SO's gain anything? NO we have not. And I can hear these GODS aka Captains we fly with say .... you knew what you signed for, or HKPA is under CC/TB.

HKPA was not the reason we began the TB/CC....it was added. These Captains would never give up there lives under the CC and training positions just for HKPA. So ask yourself where is our protection?
Our GOD's think they the only one's with experience in the world, or airline. They think they sh1t hot pilots....ummmm then why are SO's correcting you on our FCOM 3 work, or OPS A updates? Some of the SO's in this company have more experience than 2 x FO's combined.

What we should be doing as a group of pilots and a union is we should have put a stop to POS18 long time ago and had a strike vote etc.
But NO - these GODS of ours are still using commanders discreation, taking up training positions, reducing the fuel to save there fuel log, or diverting to VMMC due to fog and making the tired crew operate back with the RED lanyards around there necks.....team players right?

This whole situation is F%$KED and I would strike if maybe our GOD's had the balls....they the leaders of this airline...well when it comes to messing everyone around with rest they make it known they the boss.
Well then BOSS I dare you to get the union to take action?
It seems to me that LL is angry at himself for being lead down the garden path by 3rd floor sycophants doing exactly what they have been doing for 25 years now. If LL had read these forum postings BEFORE he signed on (with his massive experience) as a mere seat warmer for XX years he would have known how it is here.
That said, his ego got the best of him and he's now pissed off and angry.. That is what happens when you let big dick syndrome rule your life.

As a seat warmer you are ultra angry and sadly you've just started here !! Perhaps best if you move on to a company where you don't have to worry about your rage issues or blood pressure this early in the game.

YOU SIGNED UP !!!

Own it....
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 04:55
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LL there are FOs at this company who joined when the retirement age was 55. Overnight their time to FO and command doubled as the company switched to RA65. Some of them did longer as SO than any of the current crop of highly experienced SOís have done. Thatís the way it goes. Company is to blame 99% of the time for these situations. Being an entitled **** will not help people fight for you. Luckily most of the guys/gals on the line are not like you.

I find it amusing that you equate knowledge of FCOM3 or OPSA with competency as a pilot. Sure itís important, but itís about 15% of the job. I donít think you understand what the job is, none of us did when we joined. Difference being, when I was an SO I was aware that I had no idea what I was talking about. A portion of the current generation is very very confident in their abilities. Some might say overconfident. Some of the guys/girls are great, some arenít. Same way itís always been. Iíve noticed a shift in attitude from eyes wide open, ready to learn. To lessonlearnt.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 11:51
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Forewarned is Forearmed

LL,
You may wish to consider that management routinely monitors PPRuNe.... I'm sure you know that already.
Would not be too much stretch to make the assessment that a "pilot" with the sort of mental / emotional state that you display could reasonably be considered a risk to flight safety and should not be allowed anywhere near the controls of an aircraft. Once that happens there is no limit to the misery that could be brought to bear against you.

​​Just sayin ....
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 00:11
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Originally Posted by 1_of_600 View Post
LL,
You may wish to consider that management routinely monitors PPRuNe.... I'm sure you know that already.
Would not be too much stretch to make the assessment that a "pilot" with the sort of mental / emotional state that you display could reasonably be considered a risk to flight safety and should not be allowed anywhere near the controls of an aircraft. Once that happens there is no limit to the misery that could be brought to bear against you.

​​Just sayin ....
Or, he could get promoted to a "Leadership" position.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 08:49
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Just back from my HSBC branch after applying for my annual tax loan. Filling in the forms at the branch I was asked my monthly salary ( again ) and the agent multiplied it by 12. I said "no" multiply it by 13, "I get a thirteenth month".
Not this year he said "we've been told you won't".
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 10:32
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Oh címon you can do better than that. Try for something a bit more believable🤪
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 11:51
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You should’ve asked what’s happening to our RPs, ARAPA and HKPA..
I mean, since you’re there at the branch.
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