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13th Month

Old 22nd Oct 2018, 03:16
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13th Month

Last year 13th Month was withheld from the Captains. This was a straight kick in the nuts. It wasn't about the money, it was designed to really piss off the most expensive pilots, hoping to push up the resignation rate. With POS18 the cost reduction with senior pilots being replaced with new ones is even greater, so don't expect 13th month this year. Especially as there was no obvious push back.

The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.

Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).

What's your plan?
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 09:12
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
Last year 13th Month was withheld from the Captains. This was a straight kick in the nuts. It wasn't about the money, it was designed to really piss off the most expensive pilots, hoping to push up the resignation rate. With POS18 the cost reduction with senior pilots being replaced with new ones is even greater, so don't expect 13th month this year. Especially as there was no obvious push back.

The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.

Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).

What's your plan?
Salaries section has already confirmed NO 13th month this year for CX pilots. KA of course will get theirs.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 09:52
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The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for.
So true. CX used to be my first choice, since my first flight in 1982, but I cannot remember the last time I flew CX. I fly trans-Pacific at least twice a year and even the seat-sale prices are not competitive with the competition.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 10:07
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Very simple payback strategy. At least another 31 days off unfit somewhere in the year, and the determined ability and resolve to cost the company 3-4 times as much in extra cost as they think they saved from stealing from myself and my family. Doubt it? Well, it's October and i've already exceeded that extra cost for the last years travesty. So go ahead punk, make my day...
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 10:20
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I might also add that this year, another fail of the 13th month will be all the push needed for many pilots sitting on the fence regarding staying/leaving. The increased training costs alone will well outweigh any savings, never mind the increased sick leave and determined operational cost increases. Of course, the cubicle dwelling management never see the big picture, until it opens up and devours them as well. Penny wise...pound foolish. CX's motto.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 11:55
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I think I can already hear the silence from the HKAOA..............
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 12:47
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Salaries section has already confirmed NO 13th month this year for CX pilots. KA of course will get theirs.
Don't be a mug.

Same sh&t coming, different contracts.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
I think I can already hear the silence from the HKAOA..............
If you listen close enough, you can also hear the words "deeper deeper" whilst CX pilots bend over even further. And then after a bloody good shafting for the umpteenth time carry on with Reti, idle reverse, VS Instead of Opendes and taking off the relevant fuel correction.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 05:12
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No CX pilots will get a 13th month this year.

Everyone will bitch and moan but everyone will turn up for work. You may not get directs, your levels, you may not care about OTP, but the job will still get done.

The union will do nothing else but write a letter that nobody will care about.

All talk, no action...
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 06:24
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Action,...? I will take action. I'll happily take an additional month off with my family. Like I did this year.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 06:33
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The union is you. The response will be as severe as you are willing to make it.

Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.

Stop helping out. Let the pieces crumble instead of intervening to fix all their continual f-ups. Donít suggest solutions to engineering. Donít intervene when you see their plans heading straight to a cliff. Halt the operation if procedure is not followed. If everyone did this we would have an enforced 25% pay rise next week.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:49
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Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Amen.

RETI, sickness, fuel loads, discretion etc. Plenty of tools.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 09:14
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Quote:
Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Amen.

RETI, sickness, fuel loads, discretion etc. Plenty of tools.

Basically a waste of time in achieving anything meaningful. If we are not prepared to strike, if only for one day, absolutely nothing will change for the better.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 09:29
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wish I could get paid for 13 months in a year

welcome tot he real workd
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 09:44
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam View Post
wish I could get paid for 13 months in a year

welcome tot he real workd
bananajam, nobody needs this kind of piss-poor, defeatist attitude here. End of year payments are a norm here and the company is using it as an industrial tactic.
People get paid more than you, get over it. No need to drag them down to your own rock bottom.

Welcome to the real world
(correct spelling)
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 10:00
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receiving an extra months pay at the end of the year is normal and expected in HK, receiving only 1 months extra pay is actually quite low, I know many professionals who receive a '13 month' payment that is many times greater than their normal monthly salary
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 10:04
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There was a reason for 13th month, it's due to being paid once a month instead of bi monthly. It used to make up for this shortfall. Everyone else in the Company recieived it last year, oh except for the Captains.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 10:46
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So nice of my Union to write to me today informing me that I have conceded nothing, not a "dollar". Who wrote this nonsense, the DFO?

The GC might be new, but they shouid know every Captain conceded 8% of their salary last year. The company has a stated aim of saving 10%. Couple the 13th month with the savings from every ARAPA receiver leaving and being replaced by a person locked on meagre, fixed HKPA, the company don't need any more concessions, they have achieved their 10%. All with my Union's (silent) blessing it would seem.

But it's not all bad news, they want me to vote on the DFO's peace proposal including a zero % payrise. Don't bother GC, I think Il'll vote myself a 1.25% pay rise long before the DFO officially starts to run the HKAOA.

Silly me, I thought the new GC would make a difference. Lots of brave words in their manifestos, but at the first challenge they have p!ssed their pants.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 11:52
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What Liam said.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 11:54
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Conceded nothing?

How about concessions made over the past few years?

No pay adjustments. No housing adjustments. Higher productivity. No profit sharing or 13 th month. Ever decreasing terms and conditions. Just to name a few.

Fake news and an utter disgrace.
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