13th Month
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13th Month
Last year 13th Month was withheld from the Captains. This was a straight kick in the nuts. It wasn't about the money, it was designed to really piss off the most expensive pilots, hoping to push up the resignation rate. With POS18 the cost reduction with senior pilots being replaced with new ones is even greater, so don't expect 13th month this year. Especially as there was no obvious push back.
The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.
Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).
What's your plan?
The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.
Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).
What's your plan?
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Last year 13th Month was withheld from the Captains. This was a straight kick in the nuts. It wasn't about the money, it was designed to really piss off the most expensive pilots, hoping to push up the resignation rate. With POS18 the cost reduction with senior pilots being replaced with new ones is even greater, so don't expect 13th month this year. Especially as there was no obvious push back.
The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.
Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).
What's your plan?
The master plan is reduce costs to below those of HKA. The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for. It's all about cost cutting.
Last year I recovered the lost 13th month with sickness and line flying decisions (want to spend USD500? Pull full reverse).
What's your plan?
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The management don't have the skills to provide a product pax will pay a premium for.
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Very simple payback strategy. At least another 31 days off unfit somewhere in the year, and the determined ability and resolve to cost the company 3-4 times as much in extra cost as they think they saved from stealing from myself and my family. Doubt it? Well, it's October and i've already exceeded that extra cost for the last years travesty. So go ahead punk, make my day...
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I might also add that this year, another fail of the 13th month will be all the push needed for many pilots sitting on the fence regarding staying/leaving. The increased training costs alone will well outweigh any savings, never mind the increased sick leave and determined operational cost increases. Of course, the cubicle dwelling management never see the big picture, until it opens up and devours them as well. Penny wise...pound foolish. CX's motto.
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The union is you. The response will be as severe as you are willing to make it.
Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Stop helping out. Let the pieces crumble instead of intervening to fix all their continual f-ups. Don’t suggest solutions to engineering. Don’t intervene when you see their plans heading straight to a cliff. Halt the operation if procedure is not followed. If everyone did this we would have an enforced 25% pay rise next week.
Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Stop helping out. Let the pieces crumble instead of intervening to fix all their continual f-ups. Don’t suggest solutions to engineering. Don’t intervene when you see their plans heading straight to a cliff. Halt the operation if procedure is not followed. If everyone did this we would have an enforced 25% pay rise next week.
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
RETI, sickness, fuel loads, discretion etc. Plenty of tools.
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From: Somewhere Smelly
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Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Amen.
RETI, sickness, fuel loads, discretion etc. Plenty of tools.
Basically a waste of time in achieving anything meaningful. If we are not prepared to strike, if only for one day, absolutely nothing will change for the better.
Stop standing around waiting for others to tell you what to do. Everybody has the tools to impact the operation. So pick them up and use them.
Amen.
RETI, sickness, fuel loads, discretion etc. Plenty of tools.
Basically a waste of time in achieving anything meaningful. If we are not prepared to strike, if only for one day, absolutely nothing will change for the better.
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From: Earth
receiving an extra months pay at the end of the year is normal and expected in HK, receiving only 1 months extra pay is actually quite low, I know many professionals who receive a '13 month' payment that is many times greater than their normal monthly salary
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So nice of my Union to write to me today informing me that I have conceded nothing, not a "dollar". Who wrote this nonsense, the DFO?
The GC might be new, but they shouid know every Captain conceded 8% of their salary last year. The company has a stated aim of saving 10%. Couple the 13th month with the savings from every ARAPA receiver leaving and being replaced by a person locked on meagre, fixed HKPA, the company don't need any more concessions, they have achieved their 10%. All with my Union's (silent) blessing it would seem.
But it's not all bad news, they want me to vote on the DFO's peace proposal including a zero % payrise. Don't bother GC, I think Il'll vote myself a 1.25% pay rise long before the DFO officially starts to run the HKAOA.
Silly me, I thought the new GC would make a difference. Lots of brave words in their manifestos, but at the first challenge they have p!ssed their pants.
The GC might be new, but they shouid know every Captain conceded 8% of their salary last year. The company has a stated aim of saving 10%. Couple the 13th month with the savings from every ARAPA receiver leaving and being replaced by a person locked on meagre, fixed HKPA, the company don't need any more concessions, they have achieved their 10%. All with my Union's (silent) blessing it would seem.
But it's not all bad news, they want me to vote on the DFO's peace proposal including a zero % payrise. Don't bother GC, I think Il'll vote myself a 1.25% pay rise long before the DFO officially starts to run the HKAOA.
Silly me, I thought the new GC would make a difference. Lots of brave words in their manifestos, but at the first challenge they have p!ssed their pants.
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Conceded nothing?
How about concessions made over the past few years?
No pay adjustments. No housing adjustments. Higher productivity. No profit sharing or 13 th month. Ever decreasing terms and conditions. Just to name a few.
Fake news and an utter disgrace.
How about concessions made over the past few years?
No pay adjustments. No housing adjustments. Higher productivity. No profit sharing or 13 th month. Ever decreasing terms and conditions. Just to name a few.
Fake news and an utter disgrace.
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From: UK
@dctpub
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
Perhaps you missed the irony I was trying to point out that being paid for 13 months in a year that only has 12 is something the rest of the world would love, though many call it a bonus which has to be earned and is not a right. And before you ask, i don't get those either but that's not unusual either.
At the end of the day, you do still have the ultimate option, to find another job, just like the rest of us
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
Perhaps you missed the irony I was trying to point out that being paid for 13 months in a year that only has 12 is something the rest of the world would love, though many call it a bonus which has to be earned and is not a right. And before you ask, i don't get those either but that's not unusual either.
At the end of the day, you do still have the ultimate option, to find another job, just like the rest of us
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From: Gate 69
[QUOTE=golfbananajam;10291228]@dctpub
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
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If you don't care, or it is not relevant to you, then why did you even comment?
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
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If you don't care, or it is not relevant to you, then why did you even comment?
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From: uk
@dctpub
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
Perhaps you missed the irony I was trying to point out that being paid for 13 months in a year that only has 12 is something the rest of the world would love, though many call it a bonus which has to be earned and is not a right. And before you ask, i don't get those either but that's not unusual either.
At the end of the day, you do still have the ultimate option, to find another job, just like the rest of us
Glad you know everything about me, but then your location says it all, to me at least. I care not what people get paid, whether it's more than me or not, it's just not relevant to me.
Perhaps you missed the irony I was trying to point out that being paid for 13 months in a year that only has 12 is something the rest of the world would love, though many call it a bonus which has to be earned and is not a right. And before you ask, i don't get those either but that's not unusual either.
At the end of the day, you do still have the ultimate option, to find another job, just like the rest of us
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From: china
Regards KA, there’s alot of chat every year about letting go of the KA COS based “ chinese new year bonus” ( fwiw 13th month) for an 8% pay adjustment .
KA crew would then revert to the discretion 13th month CX may ( or may not) receive.
Last years experience @CX and the forthcoming , as yet unannounced , bonus freez, should reaffirm the old adage that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Even a full bush .
KA crew would then revert to the discretion 13th month CX may ( or may not) receive.
Last years experience @CX and the forthcoming , as yet unannounced , bonus freez, should reaffirm the old adage that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Even a full bush .