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Old 6th Dec 2018, 23:30
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Good to see we have got our 13th month, means we can all stop taking extra fuel, time to win! (Takes cover..)
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 00:29
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haha, well based on an article by the scmp all that will continue as pilots will once again be the only ones to not receive a pay rise, not even an inflationary adjustment
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 16:42
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So all the older guys say CX traded 13th month for extra pay per month about 20 years ago.
If true you lot are asking for a 14th month, thatís a bit rich
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 23:17
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Incorrect LR. When they did the salaries for bases they were done to include 13th month, not in HK. Hence based Pilotís donít get it!
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 23:34
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Incrediably misleading and dishonest, in that the incorporation of the 13th month bonus into the based pilotís pay occurred in combination with a 25% cut in pay. Which in effect turned the 25% pay cut into a 35% pay cut.

We were told that we must accept a 25% pay cut and, whatís more, the pay cut will forever include your 13th month annual bonus.

It was a further kick in the pants while you were down....forcing you to accept a pay cut, and in the same breath telling you the pay cut included your annual bonus.

Such class....
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 02:00
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A few clarifications

The following applies to Basings Mk2 circa late 1994.
Initially 13th month was paid to based crew. The pay scales were established using the conversion rate of the day and paid in base currency thereafter.
13th month was incorporated into base salary scales from July 1999 and a half 13th month paid December 1999. This no doubt coincided with the attack on A scales in Apr 1999 which saw variable reductions from approx 8.5% in HKG to 35% in AUS. While the company no doubt spun the line that the different rates reflected the net buying power of individual bases (Australia enjoyed a very favourable tax rate at the time and cost of living was lower) the rates actually reflected what the company "thought it could get away with" - AS IT ALWAYS DOES!
From then on individual bases have received both global pay rises and base specific rises so the rates can't be read directly across any more.
What is important is that the threat of withholding of 13th from based pilots has not been available to the company for nearly 20 years.
Only the based crew scales were affected this way, HKG CoS retained 13th month.
As a side note my hazy recollection of the mention by managers various over time of withholding 13th month was that as it was a HKG employment custom, discretion would only be exercised if paying it would effectively render the company insolvent. The recent withholding of it, particularly in the targeted fashion it was withheld can only be viewed as punitive. The "there is not enough money in the pot" argument is specious and deceitful. If there is "enough money in the pot" for managerial bonuses or pay rises to other employee groups there is "enough money in the pot" to honour basic salary commitments to all employee groups. This kind of action should never be allowed to go unaddressed.

There are plenty of things to argue about, lets make sure we argue about the same things and the right things.

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Old 11th Dec 2018, 10:56
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Originally Posted by Busbuoy View Post
The following applies to Basings Mk2 circa late 1994.
Initially 13th month was paid to based crew. The pay scales were established using the conversion rate of the day and paid in base currency thereafter.
13th month was incorporated into base salary scales from July 1999 and a half 13th month paid December 1999. This no doubt coincided with the attack on A scales in Apr 1999 which saw variable reductions from approx 8.5% in HKG to 35% in AUS. While the company no doubt spun the line that the different rates reflected the net buying power of individual bases (Australia enjoyed a very favourable tax rate at the time and cost of living was lower) the rates actually reflected what the company "thought it could get away with" - AS IT ALWAYS DOES!
From then on individual bases have received both global pay rises and base specific rises so the rates can't be read directly across any more.
What is important is that the threat of withholding of 13th from based pilots has not been available to the company for nearly 20 years.
Only the based crew scales were affected this way, HKG CoS retained 13th month.
As a side note my hazy recollection of the mention by managers various over time of withholding 13th month was that as it was a HKG employment custom, discretion would only be exercised if paying it would effectively render the company insolvent. The recent withholding of it, particularly in the targeted fashion it was withheld can only be viewed as punitive. The "there is not enough money in the pot" argument is specious and deceitful. If there is "enough money in the pot" for managerial bonuses or pay rises to other employee groups there is "enough money in the pot" to honour basic salary commitments to all employee groups. This kind of action should never be allowed to go unaddressed.

There are plenty of things to argue about, lets make sure we argue about the same things and the right things.
I think you got that right Busboy. And don't forget the killing the company made on getting people to opt out of the A Scale[defined benefit] retirement fund to go on a base. And then inserting the pineapple.
Old times, but as Mark Twain said " History doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme"......
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