Direct Entry Hiring

[fly123456]

I'm wondering if they could change their mind, should a news article pop up in i.e. SCMP or FT, about how Cathay doesn't care about experience in the flight deck anymore?

[stillalbatross]

Chinabeached

Zero chance of any of those jobs in the ME or China getting you eventually from right to left seat even if Q400 time somehow gets you RHS in a widebody. Anywhere in the ME that is taking you from RHS to LHS is employing you with similar 330/777 time already. The terms "Contract job" and "command upgrade" won't ever go into the same sentence. Go look at what is happening at the ME carriers with regards to guys with B737 or RJ time trying to get in.

You in something with propellers, you don't wanna be no more, you wanna bee in something with two isles, there are f*ck all choices out there...............

[ChinaBeached]

stillalbatross..... I did it & am doing it. Cmd progression for expats does happen.

I can speak of many others in the same situation: colleagues at the same airline as me & a few other carriers I know. I met a guy from Italy who obtained an A320 Cmd with 1800 hrs TT after joining with just over 700 hrs TT (Chinese regional carrier).

But you are right in some aspects in that A LOT of research & planning needs to be considered as some positions are wolves in sheep's clothing. Which is not unlike any other job in almost any airline today.

[built4flying83]

FO on E190 or A320 is 85grand AUS$ base. The Cathay Cadet is 74grand base. Plus you get 110grand aussie forgiveable loan with cathay which, i dont know about you guys but would take me about 5+ yrs to save.

[404 Titan]

built4flying83

I assume you are 28 years old from you handle. AUD$110K = about AUD$3K per year for the rest of your career at CX. Pretty pathetic really when you realise the guy sitting next to you gets more than double that for his housing per month. Something you don’t.

[built4flying83]

thats if you stay in hong kong for your career...
but the guys vefore those guys were probably on close to double aswell, all i care about is that i will be earning the same or very possibly more than the smaller jet guys in 5-10yrs on bigger airbus or boeing

[404 Titan]

built4flying83

I think the package is good. FO earns 93,000HK$ / month. Prob take 2-3yrs to get to that stage from second officer. I have 3000tt. What do you guys reckon?

I reckon you are either a liar, ie in one thread you have 3000 hours TT and a few posts further on (see below) you say you have close to 4000 hours TT, or you are a troll posting posts from the third floor.

Jizzmonkey. I've got close to 4000hrs with 2000 hrs twin turbine plus university degree. So no not an idiot. I don't think so anyway haha. I got a good chance I've had more aviation jobs and experience then you by the sounds of things....but getting off topic there.

The Cathay Cadet is 74grand base.

Where do you get 74 grand base from? Even if you include HKPA + HDP you are about AUD$5000 off. All you may care about now is earning more than smaller jet guys but do you care that by accepting this offer you will be helping to push down the T&C of existing CX pilots? Of course you think an FO earns 93 base as well and you will be an SO for only 2-3 years.

SO year one = HK$35170 pm
+
HKPA = HK$10000 pm
+
HDP = HK$3314 pm based on working 84 hours month – 3 weeks annual leave. HDP isn’t paid when on annual leave or sick leave.
=
HK$48484 pm
=
HK$581808 py
=
AUD$69260 py

Plus you get 110grand aussie forgiveable loan with cathay

You"ll also get an extra HK$187000 tax bill on top of your normal tax from the IRD.

You know what the hardest thing about being a liar is? Keeping the story consistant.

[Cumguzzler]

How much would housing cost him, let's say a medium sized 2-3 bedroom flat in Central?

[404 Titan]

Cumguzzler

If he was actually a wannabe with SSJS, a lot. I suspect though he is a troll.

Small to Medium sized units (Central)

[crwjerk]

Without punching in the numbers on the site there, i'd guess about 30-50k per month!

[Neptunus Rex]

Apparently, rents are rocketing in HK. A mate (nothing to do with airlines; self employed and doing well) has just left HK forever. His landlord jacked the rent up by 20%, which was the final straw, so he left. I have heard similar tales from other sources.

[cxorcist]

Good breakdown 404!!!

Unfortunately, math does not mean anything to the irrational guys taking the offer. They would rather compare it to regional jobs in their home countries and ignore the obvious facts about career earnings and the very high expenses of Hong Kong living. That brand new tripler just looks too good (NR was right about SJS).

I've had the pleasure of running into a few of these guys lately. They look and act like a bunch of second lieutenants fresh out of flight school, except of course they have had far less quality training than a military pilot. I fear the days when these guys are captains, and God forbid the days when they run the AOA. Talk about growing up in a Cathay petri-dish... They will make our current DESO 30 year old wonder captains look like space shuttle commanders. So much for high standards at CX... No amount of pedanticism and cockpit rigidity will compensate for this inexperience.

CXorcist

PS - Sorry S11Max for missing your sarcasm. Guess I was unable to see the humor in your post, but thanks for your valuable pprune contributions.

[raven11]

"They look and act like a bunch of second lieutenants fresh out of flight school, except of course they have had far less quality training than a military pilot."

Nicely summed up Cxexocist.

It's not their fault, it's obvious they don't know any better.....Cathay on the other hand, should.

Another major aspect of life in Hong Kong so many of these young "cadets" do not appreciate is that their new life will be in Hong Kong, China! As in Hong Kong, China!!! It's not Australia, Canada, or the UK......it's in China!

After a short while they will desperately miss home. Two or three trips back to their home country each year, to visit family and loved ones, will cost a minimum of $10,000 Aus. It is an understatement to say that Standby Travel is not free, quite the contrary, it is expensive! With most flights full these days, traveling at full cost will not be uncommon.

Take off the rose-coloured glasses kids, open your ears, and listen to what people are trying to tell you.

[built4flying83]

Titan 404

I reckon you are either a liar, ie in one thread you have 3000 hours TT and a few posts further on (see below) you say you have close to 4000 hours TT, or you are a troll posting posts from the third floor.

Did you want my full name and address aswell?

do you care that by accepting this offer you will be helping to push down the T&C of existing CX pilots?

yeah i care, do you care for the first 4 yrs my average salary is 35g AUS / annum, in the last 3 years its gone up to a whopping 42g AUS / annum....well do ya? this aint sitting in a shiny jet either, this is in the slums.

i am 5 grand off? ill have to check the numbers again, dont think your calcs included the 5-7grand bonus you get a year.

Plus you get 110grand aussie forgiveable loan with cathay You"ll also get an extra HK$187000 tax bill on top of your normal tax from the IRD.

You know what the hardest thing about being a liar is? Keeping the story consistant.

so whats that lets say its 20,000 aus tax, so instead of 110,000 it will be 90,000. still pretty good.

You know what the hardest thing about being a selfish 42 yr old who looks at younger pilots with contempt................ not being one!

Hey out of curiosity, what did you say to the A and quite possibly B scalers, when you signed for lesser conditions?

[scavengepump]

If this self-centred fool is for real and is indicative of the attitude and mentality of future new joiners - we're doomed!

Hope you like making bunks pal................

[built4flying83]

scavengepump nice response..... tool. Debate it!... dont just chuck your hands up in the air and make a stupid comment. Still no one answers my last question on the previous post?

[ChinaBeached]

built4lying83: I think your posts are best suited here: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...verywhere.html or at the very least read it.....

And for the record, in your first 4 years you earned DOUBLE than most GA pilots ever do or did. If not 100% more if counting the hangar rats or those who worked for free for their first year. I was lucky to earn a few extra dollars as also worked part time in a bar. Then after your first 4 years you earned even more again. May pay went BACKWARDS when I landed a, then, dream job as an FO on a turboprop, because that was what it took to progress my career. You just have a severe case of entitlement as do so many other iCadet sell-outs.

So, with your 3000 ? 4000 ?? .....Oh screw it. Let's cut to the chase: just landed the Space Shuttle and therefore redundant with 85,000 hrs: after all, let's continue the bull$hitting?? How proud you must be to be interviewing for the same job where kids as young as 18 with ZERO hours or experience are deemed just as good and worthy as you are for an iCadet SO position.

There could be a reason why with all your fictitious hours you have not progressed as you deem you should. So of course, jump in to a CX iCadet SO position where the min standard is, well: zero experience.

So you want to debate the FACTS? You've picked a fight on thread where airline pilots (CX and other) offer advice, opinons and facts based on first hand "experience" with CX, at CX and in HK and you label those who either call you out for bull$hitting your hours (classy, professional....?) or challenge your point of view as "tools".

If you want a few threads where your ignorant and naive and less than honest status is applauded and supported then do so on the Wannabe forums. There you'll find all kinds of similar characters who will support your cause for many hundreds of pages. If you genuinely seek facts and opinons from those with that "experience" thing then receive the answers with the slightest bit of integrity let alone humility that your redundant Space Shuttle Cmdr title and 85,000 hrs of stature deserve.

[scavengepump]

Well done CB for taking the time to attempt to educate our young friend above - you are a better man than me............

'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink' springs to mind.

Join up all you lot - fill ya' boots. The first one of you i catch whinging and moaning about how 'tough' you are doing it in HK..........welllllllll

[built4flying83]

and still no one answers my last question on the previous post?
when i look at my 3 logbooks and then look at your comments that im making it up, i realise you have got that wrong so good chance you have got most other things wrong too. FACT

I'll ask again for the slow minded...What did you say to the A scalers when you joined?

[404 Titan]

built4flying83

Did you want my full name and address aswell?

If you want. Fill your boots.

yeah i care, do you care for the first 4 yrs my average salary is 35g AUS / annum, in the last 3 years its gone up to a whopping 42g AUS / annum....well do ya? this aint sitting in a shiny jet either, this is in the slums.

Almost all the pilots here have had to do this before coming here. You want me to cry because you think you have done it tough compared to what most here have done. You don’t know what doing it tough means sunshine.

i am 5 grand off? ill have to check the numbers again, dont think your calcs included the 5-7grand bonus you get a year.

If you want to believe you get 13th month and profit share every year then you are in for a rude shock.

so whats that lets say its 20,000 aus tax, so instead of 110,000 it will be 90,000. still pretty good.

Judging by your kindergarten level maths you will blow the forgivable loan in your first year just trying to live here. I doubt you will budget for you lump sum tax bill in year six judging by your immaturity.

You know what the hardest thing about being a selfish 42 yr old who looks at younger pilots with contempt................ not being one!

Again you make the stupid assumption that I and most other pilots here haven’t done it tough. Your assumption only makes an ass of you.

Hey out of curiosity, what did you say to the A and quite possibly B scalers, when you signed for lesser conditions?

I certainly didn’t go trying to rub their faces in it like you are here.