Direct Entry Hiring
 

Seems like they've relabeled "Direct Entry" to "Advanced Entry" and just took away the Expat benefits. If the AOA doesn't put a stop to this, its a matter of time before no one is on Expat terms.

Waterskier

And what would you suggest they do?

Really!? "Advanced Entry – a 30-week programme for applicants who possess an ICAO CPL and have in excess of 250 hours flight time in specified categories."

Considering it requires you to attend a flight school for over 7 months doesn't qualify as Direct Entry. Either way, it's the DEFO recruitment we should be worried about / looking out for...

404 Titan
Are you serious?
What can the AOA do?

I don't know...ummmm....maybe what the flight attendants Union does when they take umbrage.

In fact the course is much shorter and they require 1500 hours and ATPL or passes in ATPL exams. DESO used to be 1000 hours. I know no one got in with that but to me DESO is now a quick cadet course without expat benefits.

raven11

Yeh I’m deadly serious. We, the members are the AOA not the committee etc. If you think for one second there will be any unity in the CX pilot ranks to stop what the company is doing with regards the iCadet scheme especially under the labour laws that exist here in Hong Kong, you are seriously living in cloud coo coo land. That is what I meant when I say “what can the AOA do about it”? Are you going to go on strike and risk not only your job and your right to live in Hong Kong but also all your assets when the company sues you and your family for everything you own because of the losses they've incurred as a result of your illegal industrial action. We live in Hong Kong you know where big business runs the show.

As for the flight attendants, for the majority of them, they have nothing to lose. They’re here for a good time, not a long time. Also don’t overstate their victories. For the most part the company gets what they want in the end.

What everyone should be taking away from this is the lack of sustainability of this program alone.

Advanced Entry name change, elimination of housing allowance, DFO comments regarding recruitment of HK locals...

Read between the lines, folks...

Wow!
 

404 titan,

That has got to be one of the most ignorant posts I have read in a long time!

I am waiting to see if the GC and our management are jolted into action by the impending/possible arrival of PLK - aka, the man with the famous political last name.

Often communicated election platform issues - his stance on DECs, AHK, USAB Freighter conditions/pay etc. - should make him a shoe-in for election to the GC.

With PLK as the lynchpin of a multi-pronged offence, we could confront management in the way JFK dealt with USSR in the Cuban Missile Crisis - strength.

Our tactics could include a blockade of CX City, placing our front-line pilots on alert to strike from their global bases, and we could activate our top secret sleeper unit (code named "G day workers") to glean invaluable humint (human intelligence) on our adversary's counter-tactics.

The inevitable standoff could then set up a hotline of communication between our sides? Then we could discuss openly, and immediately, the issues that two HK aviation superpowers need to address.

S11max is smoking crack!!!

As pilots, we need to deal with reality. If you want fantasy, head over to Disneyland and watch Asian girls dress up as Sleeping Beauty.

Fight the battles we can win... I'm with 404 on this thread.

CXorcist

Contract Compliance, and a training ban on new joiners who undercut current conditions would be a good start.

Training ban: a request made by wimps who don't have the b*lls to strike!

:yuk:

I said a 'good START', Holer. I guess you couldn't wait to type another 'rah rah' statement on an anonymous forum; easy, isn't it?

And the issue of striking under Hong Kong labour law has been done to death.

cxorcist,

Seriously man, you are one of the reasons I read (and occasionally write on) pprune. When I get bored, or depressed at being a CX pilot, I can always read posts from people who need to get a f#cking grip, and it gives me a laugh.

Obviously, I was taking the p#ss....

You're a clown!

:) s11max

Another conversation:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...a-c-scale.html

I am with Capt Dart entirely.

True, fight battles you can win but at the very least offer a public statement and stance on the issue. At the same time at what stage do the battles keep getting more difficult to win? The line in the sand only seems to retreat.

Supply and demand. Again, very true. One opinion mentioned is the training ban. That'll cut off the supply leaving demand screaming. One would think measures would be in succession of severity. For example: 1) refusal of CX pilots to be involved with the C-Scale recruitment process at any stage; 2) a training ban placed on C-Scale pilots; 3) strike action.

It starts with the very basic publicised and up front stance and statement from the AOA.

Dart, I guess a training ban doesn't apply to those who take commands (as upgrades from F/O) like it didn't during the 49ers... it only applies to the poor pilots who are looking to earn more money for less work but shouldn't because some wussie union makes a RISK-FREE proclamation that they shouldn't join the airline.

Of course this forum is anonymous. Why even bring up the point? If I want to rah rah onymously I'll go to the AOA forum. You?

Training bans are for wussies.

Anyone thinking of joining who adheres to a training ban does it because he or she realizes that he or she would be joining an airline with a wussie union and wants no part of it.

No risk, no reward. STRIKE=RISK. TRAINING BAN=NO RISK

:yuk:

PLK will be put in his place and told to conform like the rest of the "outspoken" ones who make in onto the GC. Where have they all gone???
He wants to stick up for freighter crews.... If that means he wants to rant and rave about flying pax aircraft, getting early commands, and getting pax pay then he's not getting my vote.

You can force a 5000hr+ heavy jet guy to sit in flight school for 7 months if you want. It doesn't make it right. Having said that, we know no-one with that experience would apply.

Geh065,


Its not only 5000+ jet guys that wont apply.
Guys blasting around in Q400's etc wont apply either.

Starting my aviation career I have always aspired to fly for Cathay, but the reality is that it is now no longer financially attractive (or viable).
No housing allowance and reduced pay means that I would be struggling for the next 6 years........mate, I already did that in GA....Im not going back to that.
I turned Cathay down for an interview last year and promised to call them back in a year......but on those T&C's I just wont do it.

The question is.....is there enough SO's accepting this 'C-scale'?
With the a/c orders for Cathay one would imagine that if not many people are accepting this deal then eventually they are going to have to improve the T&C's.
I hold out hope that they do bring back the housing allowance as if they do, I'll be there in a second.


Eternity.