Um, what's all this about then?
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Um, what's all this about then?
Late the other night on a flight back into Alice, I was confronted upon landing (around 10pm), with a "Dirty Harry" type complete with big shiny badges, sidearm, handcuffs and spotlight (which the goose insisted on shining it straight at the a/c and in my eyes) as I shutdown in the GA area. After two failed attempts to ask him to either avert or turn his light off, he finally got the message when he walked over and met me at full hieght when I stood up from under the wing of the a/c. 
Question time. I can understand some types of security measures being implemented for the protection of all inside the fence, but there are ways of doing it (especially not infront of the passengers who have as little idea as we do as to what is going on). And to be pointedly told to supply confidential information such as name, ARN, company and pax names etc is going waaaayyy tooooo far kids, it ain't none of your proverbial business!
In the morning I was loading a freight box with the boss into the trusty 'two ten', when ten seconds after the boss walks back behind the fence I hear this "OK, what's in the box, and what's yer name?". I turned around, and it's another version of the person from the night before, but with more armnament! My answer was perhaps best described as "none of your business, got any problem with that, then go talk to the boss", kinda answer. He then went away.
I know that another member of my company has almost had a set to with one of these goons, but there must be a better way of checks and ensuring security on the Alice a/d?
How about just contacting the companies around the airport and just plain asking them what their movements are likely to be over the next 24hrs? It would have to be better than harrassing tired pax and pilots when they least need it, wouldn't it? Then, if there is something that would appear out of the ordinary, they could then police it?
There has to be a better way. Has anyone else had the pleasure with them yet?
Question time. I can understand some types of security measures being implemented for the protection of all inside the fence, but there are ways of doing it (especially not infront of the passengers who have as little idea as we do as to what is going on). And to be pointedly told to supply confidential information such as name, ARN, company and pax names etc is going waaaayyy tooooo far kids, it ain't none of your proverbial business!
In the morning I was loading a freight box with the boss into the trusty 'two ten', when ten seconds after the boss walks back behind the fence I hear this "OK, what's in the box, and what's yer name?". I turned around, and it's another version of the person from the night before, but with more armnament! My answer was perhaps best described as "none of your business, got any problem with that, then go talk to the boss", kinda answer. He then went away.
I know that another member of my company has almost had a set to with one of these goons, but there must be a better way of checks and ensuring security on the Alice a/d?
How about just contacting the companies around the airport and just plain asking them what their movements are likely to be over the next 24hrs? It would have to be better than harrassing tired pax and pilots when they least need it, wouldn't it? Then, if there is something that would appear out of the ordinary, they could then police it?
There has to be a better way. Has anyone else had the pleasure with them yet?
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Never met the type myself, but... if they are bothering you as you taxi in with their big shiny 'f*ck off' maglite then give them a few bursts with your landing and taxi light. That'll generally get them to avert their gaze! 
Agree with you about the ARN bit though. Ask them what part of Aviation Legislation they are upholding by requiring that information and on whose behalf they are working for, their name, rank, 'badge' number and so on. I bet their questions slow to just a trickle after that.
Probably just Shopping Mall security guards who now get to carry a gun on a bit of an ego trip. Kind of like when new CPL's get to put on all their gold stuff to go down to the corner store to buy milk and bread at 0700 on a Sunday morning.
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Agree with you about the ARN bit though. Ask them what part of Aviation Legislation they are upholding by requiring that information and on whose behalf they are working for, their name, rank, 'badge' number and so on. I bet their questions slow to just a trickle after that.
Probably just Shopping Mall security guards who now get to carry a gun on a bit of an ego trip. Kind of like when new CPL's get to put on all their gold stuff to go down to the corner store to buy milk and bread at 0700 on a Sunday morning.
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Just tell em to pis off, these idiots have absolutly no power of any type what so ever. If they attempt to apprehend you you can have them charged with assult. If they are carrying hand cuffs without a fire arm chances are that they are just hanging more stuff off there already over loaded belt to impress, as they dont have the authority to use them (and in a lot of cases they dont have the authority to use all the other crap they cart around with them either like pepper sprays and all that).
they are just like you and me when it comes to the law, except they have specific permision to be on the premisis.
they are just like you and me when it comes to the law, except they have specific permision to be on the premisis.
To show the professionalism of our 'security' guards out there I had a lovely face to face chat to one yesterday afternoon after experiencing my first bit of real road rage, driving along in LH lane doing 10 above the speed limit said 'gentlemen' sits 4 inches of my tail, I lightly tap the brakes, he proceeds to overtake and sit next to me basically pointing at his 'security' badge trying to intimidate me or something, I thought nothing more of it till the next set of traffic lights where he gets out of his car and proceeeds to tell me he's going to smash my face in, and to 'follow' him, he was very disappointed when I informed him I wasn't going to follow him, so the poor guy didn't get his kicks by beating up someone........yes not an aviation example but does show you the 'professionals' they let wear a uniform and give guns to! Do I feel safer with guys like this around and especially patrolling our airports, for sure!
On that point though i've had a few dealings with APS guys at airports and found them nothing but professionals, they do sometimes ask questions but never try to intimidate, it's the 'dial a goons' that seem to give the most trouble...
On that point though i've had a few dealings with APS guys at airports and found them nothing but professionals, they do sometimes ask questions but never try to intimidate, it's the 'dial a goons' that seem to give the most trouble...
We were met by police late one night at Alice, late September. A short G'day, rego, name and ARN. I didn't have a problem with them asking, perhaps it's the methods/communications skills these new people are using rather than the questions themselves.
Use your CRM skills people. "When you shine that torch in my face I feel like jamming it etc etc"
Use your CRM skills people. "When you shine that torch in my face I feel like jamming it etc etc"
Yes CJ 429, I know who you are talking about, they are employed by the Australian Protective Service and they are a pain in the arse. they are wanna be coppers who have nothing better to do. I work at Virgin Darwin and have to put up with those dicks every night, next time ask them if they have any real work to do, i think they get very bored!!!!!
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If the 'goon' was sporting a sidearm, he must've been APS. They've multiplied like rabbits all around the country since 9/11 but they seem to have missed separating all the chaff in the recruitment rush!
The more experienced crew are very professional and good to deal with, though quite a few of the newbies are still a bit too gung-ho for my liking from what I've seen and heard. Must be a sh*t-boring job though, plodding around all day exercising your trigger finger just waiting for one of Osama's pals to jump out from behind the pot plants, but instead having to deal with lost kiddies and shoplifters.
All a bit sad, guns and aeroplanes don't mix in my book (and I think the sky marshals are APS too), but guess it's a sign of the times. Just don't make any sudden moves or next time you might just make his day...punk
As for CASA, some of their regional guys seem to have jumped on the security bandwagon but just remind them of section 9(5): 'CASA's functions do not include responsibility for aviation security.' It's a Dept of Transport responsibility and it's enough dealing with one lot of bureaucrats!
The more experienced crew are very professional and good to deal with, though quite a few of the newbies are still a bit too gung-ho for my liking from what I've seen and heard. Must be a sh*t-boring job though, plodding around all day exercising your trigger finger just waiting for one of Osama's pals to jump out from behind the pot plants, but instead having to deal with lost kiddies and shoplifters.
All a bit sad, guns and aeroplanes don't mix in my book (and I think the sky marshals are APS too), but guess it's a sign of the times. Just don't make any sudden moves or next time you might just make his day...punk
As for CASA, some of their regional guys seem to have jumped on the security bandwagon but just remind them of section 9(5): 'CASA's functions do not include responsibility for aviation security.' It's a Dept of Transport responsibility and it's enough dealing with one lot of bureaucrats!
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Have you followed up with a written complaint to CASA & your company, cc'd to the airport operator & the security firm along the lines of "...interfering with the safe operation.... " etc?
Have you followed up with a written complaint to CASA & your company, cc'd to the airport operator & the security firm along the lines of "...interfering with the safe operation.... " etc?
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yeh i know what youse are talking about hey! these idiots have absolutly no power of any type what so eva! Comin down and askin us what we'se are doin! Carryin hand cuffs and stuff like they are overloaded like a plane!! ha ha he he!!
theys are just hangin stuff orf therye allready overlaoded belt hey, and its all they're just too impress and theys dont even have the authority to youse them hey! ha ha hehe
how dare they acuse us of bein terrorysts! how mani terorysts have youse seen in leonora, or alice or darwin? One day theys are going to realise that wese are pylots, and that we deserve to be treated like dam profesionals! Not comman cryminals!
Now I can understand bein asked questions but wen I land my motaplane and i get questioned in front of my important fare paying pasengers by a guy with an overloaded belt full of mag lights and ****, then what do i do then!? what do my passengerrs thinik?
Well i told 'dirty harry' that his shiny bages and torchs had nothing on me and that he had better relise that i had more shiny wings and strypes than he would ever wish for in his wildest fantasies and that he had wet dreams about bein a pylot! well that shut him up and i just hope that he dosnt get to down about bein a securitie gard at leonora and hym thinkin about me bein a pylot and him seein me flyin my motaplane off to the horizon cause he might get jelous!
well thats my gripe for the day, lets hope that these stupid stupid idiots of security gards relise that they are not at the top of the food chain and that we are the supreme people when it comes to ayreports!
theys are just hangin stuff orf therye allready overlaoded belt hey, and its all they're just too impress and theys dont even have the authority to youse them hey! ha ha hehe
how dare they acuse us of bein terrorysts! how mani terorysts have youse seen in leonora, or alice or darwin? One day theys are going to realise that wese are pylots, and that we deserve to be treated like dam profesionals! Not comman cryminals!
Now I can understand bein asked questions but wen I land my motaplane and i get questioned in front of my important fare paying pasengers by a guy with an overloaded belt full of mag lights and ****, then what do i do then!? what do my passengerrs thinik?
Well i told 'dirty harry' that his shiny bages and torchs had nothing on me and that he had better relise that i had more shiny wings and strypes than he would ever wish for in his wildest fantasies and that he had wet dreams about bein a pylot! well that shut him up and i just hope that he dosnt get to down about bein a securitie gard at leonora and hym thinkin about me bein a pylot and him seein me flyin my motaplane off to the horizon cause he might get jelous!
well thats my gripe for the day, lets hope that these stupid stupid idiots of security gards relise that they are not at the top of the food chain and that we are the supreme people when it comes to ayreports!
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Tinstaafl, as yet no. Problem is I'm based around 150nm SW and only occaisionally make it back in.
Topend3 etc... I certainly do not infer that all members of the APS are quite like this, but with only two exposures and two similar incidents......?
As I mentioned..... there would have to be a better way than what is happening now.
Topend3 etc... I certainly do not infer that all members of the APS are quite like this, but with only two exposures and two similar incidents......?
As I mentioned..... there would have to be a better way than what is happening now.
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429 ... where is YOUR big F##K off Mag lite ? Why don't you point it in their face? ... (Dolphin light is even better!)
Are they APS ? or are they airport staff ? A few years ago we parked a Bandit in the GA area at Ayres Rock, and were told that we could not park here... Why? ... because it is not a GA aircraft!... Sorry sir, but it is, we are on a charter flight, and this is the GA apron! ... yeah well, this apron is only fopr aircraft with a MTOW of 5700 or less, so you will have to move it. .... Gee, that is a real shame buddy, but this aircraft DOES have an MTOW of 5700...so we shall see you in a day or two...BYE!
Said fellow then did some research, cos when I went there the next time (3-6 months later) they had painted signs saying 15m wingspan or less... and of course the Bandit is only just over that!!!
THEN, of course, there is the "parking nazi" at Tamworth..is HE still there ????
Go about your business, be professional. Look after yourt pax first, ie tell the bloke, "I will sort this out shortly, but right at the moment, I have a job to do."
Gotta LOVE them "renta-cops"
Are they APS ? or are they airport staff ? A few years ago we parked a Bandit in the GA area at Ayres Rock, and were told that we could not park here... Why? ... because it is not a GA aircraft!... Sorry sir, but it is, we are on a charter flight, and this is the GA apron! ... yeah well, this apron is only fopr aircraft with a MTOW of 5700 or less, so you will have to move it. .... Gee, that is a real shame buddy, but this aircraft DOES have an MTOW of 5700...so we shall see you in a day or two...BYE!
Said fellow then did some research, cos when I went there the next time (3-6 months later) they had painted signs saying 15m wingspan or less... and of course the Bandit is only just over that!!!
THEN, of course, there is the "parking nazi" at Tamworth..is HE still there ????
Go about your business, be professional. Look after yourt pax first, ie tell the bloke, "I will sort this out shortly, but right at the moment, I have a job to do."
Gotta LOVE them "renta-cops"
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Strewth, yor dong.
I didnt reckon me spellin was that bad.......Bugga.
yeah, ya right though, them Leonora security gaurds must get a bit bored and jealous........what with having to sit on the ground all day and not having all them stripes and stuff.
I didnt reckon me spellin was that bad.......Bugga.
yeah, ya right though, them Leonora security gaurds must get a bit bored and jealous........what with having to sit on the ground all day and not having all them stripes and stuff.
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429 CJ,
whats going on mate, you becoming soft? I remember i time not that long ago when presented with this kind of situation you would have had no hesitation in, "glassing da bastard" know what i mean? All the best
whats going on mate, you becoming soft? I remember i time not that long ago when presented with this kind of situation you would have had no hesitation in, "glassing da bastard" know what i mean? All the best
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Rotten Attitude
I am quite amused by the outpouring of emotion by people on the subject of security guards doing their job. I even sense jealousy and “I am mightier and more important than you” attitude. Lets review some of the well thought out and constructive criticisms being levelled at these airport security guards.
“I was confronted upon landing (around 10pm), with a "Dirty Harry" type complete with big shiny badges, sidearm, handcuffs and spotlight..”
“My answer was perhaps best described as "none of your business, got any problem with that, then go talk to the boss,..”
“if they are bothering you as you taxi in with their big shiny 'f*ck off' mag lite then give them a few bursts with your landing and taxi light.”
“Probably just Shopping Mall security guards who now get to carry a gun on a bit of an ego trip.”
“Just tell em to pis off, these idiots have absolutly no power of any type what so ever.”
“…chances are that they are just hanging more stuff off there already over loaded belt to impress,…”
“..they are employed by the Australian Protective Service and they are a pain in the arse. they are wanna be coppers who have nothing better to do.”
“429 ... where is YOUR big F##K off Mag lite ? Why don't you point it in their face? ... (Dolphin light is even better!)”
The emotion is running high here guys, why these ‘rent a cops’ must really be some bad news. What sort of an attitude do some of you have when your initial reaction to someone wandering over, doing their job and perhaps just after a friendly chat is to tell them “where to go” and “you don’t belong here, what I am doing is none of your business.”
Well, it is their business. It is their job. They are there for our benefit. They are there to make sure that some loony doesn’t steal your aircraft like as happened recently in Adelaide. They are there to make sure that people are not conducting illegal activities, like moving drugs through outback airports in the middle of the night. They are there to make sure that some drunken idiot doesn’t come in and smash all the runway lights. (I have seen that happen) They are there to stop weirdos who want to dress up like pilots and wander around international airports with the potential to do god knows what, and I have seen that happen too.
So how about losing the attitude because from the tone of this thread it makes me sick to the stomach realising the depth of rotten egos that populate and reproduce here. How about next time when one of these evil, just trying to get in my way ‘rent a cops” wanders over asking what you up to, perhaps disengage your ego from your mouth and try hard to initiate something known as conversation and I am sure you will be surprised!
“I was confronted upon landing (around 10pm), with a "Dirty Harry" type complete with big shiny badges, sidearm, handcuffs and spotlight..”
“My answer was perhaps best described as "none of your business, got any problem with that, then go talk to the boss,..”
“if they are bothering you as you taxi in with their big shiny 'f*ck off' mag lite then give them a few bursts with your landing and taxi light.”
“Probably just Shopping Mall security guards who now get to carry a gun on a bit of an ego trip.”
“Just tell em to pis off, these idiots have absolutly no power of any type what so ever.”
“…chances are that they are just hanging more stuff off there already over loaded belt to impress,…”
“..they are employed by the Australian Protective Service and they are a pain in the arse. they are wanna be coppers who have nothing better to do.”
“429 ... where is YOUR big F##K off Mag lite ? Why don't you point it in their face? ... (Dolphin light is even better!)”
The emotion is running high here guys, why these ‘rent a cops’ must really be some bad news. What sort of an attitude do some of you have when your initial reaction to someone wandering over, doing their job and perhaps just after a friendly chat is to tell them “where to go” and “you don’t belong here, what I am doing is none of your business.”
Well, it is their business. It is their job. They are there for our benefit. They are there to make sure that some loony doesn’t steal your aircraft like as happened recently in Adelaide. They are there to make sure that people are not conducting illegal activities, like moving drugs through outback airports in the middle of the night. They are there to make sure that some drunken idiot doesn’t come in and smash all the runway lights. (I have seen that happen) They are there to stop weirdos who want to dress up like pilots and wander around international airports with the potential to do god knows what, and I have seen that happen too.
So how about losing the attitude because from the tone of this thread it makes me sick to the stomach realising the depth of rotten egos that populate and reproduce here. How about next time when one of these evil, just trying to get in my way ‘rent a cops” wanders over asking what you up to, perhaps disengage your ego from your mouth and try hard to initiate something known as conversation and I am sure you will be surprised!
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Reagrding your last few lines Mai,
Didnt CJ try to do something similar to what your recommending?
Surely would not it be far more practical to wait for CJ to shut down first then SEE what happens after he shuts down ????
Surley if CJ was suspicious then he would have acted in a way that reflected that?
From what I have read CJ made all appropriate attempts to have the Guard extinguish his Light in order for him to complete the flight.
It seems rather rediculous to have a light ******* your night vision whilst trying to taxi???????
Have to agree with the boys on this one , ran into plenty of "didnt make the police force" type security guards on my travels. Thats not to say I tar all with the same brush.
Oh and the apparent "outpouring of emotion" well I think that really isnt the case here when you have a look.
JERRY.... ,JERRY .....,JERRY....., JERRY..... JERRY..... JERRY.... JERRY.... JERRY .....JERRY...... JERRY....
Hello and welcome to the show....today we meet the partners of airport security guards and the lies that they have been living......
Our first guest is Steve from Cooktown and he says his partner just dont understand his job......
Didnt CJ try to do something similar to what your recommending?
Surely would not it be far more practical to wait for CJ to shut down first then SEE what happens after he shuts down ????
Surley if CJ was suspicious then he would have acted in a way that reflected that?
From what I have read CJ made all appropriate attempts to have the Guard extinguish his Light in order for him to complete the flight.
It seems rather rediculous to have a light ******* your night vision whilst trying to taxi???????
Have to agree with the boys on this one , ran into plenty of "didnt make the police force" type security guards on my travels. Thats not to say I tar all with the same brush.
Oh and the apparent "outpouring of emotion" well I think that really isnt the case here when you have a look.
JERRY.... ,JERRY .....,JERRY....., JERRY..... JERRY..... JERRY.... JERRY.... JERRY .....JERRY...... JERRY....
Hello and welcome to the show....today we meet the partners of airport security guards and the lies that they have been living......
Our first guest is Steve from Cooktown and he says his partner just dont understand his job......
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Re read the examples I pulled out from other posts on this thread JW. Emotion? Nah. Rather sweeping generalisations when it comes to describing these security guards isn’t it?
Your another one that has "ran into plenty of "didnt make the police force" type security guards on my travels. "
It seems that most if not all of these airport security guards are wanna be cops who have large chips on their shoulders and wear shiny badges and uniforms, trying to be something they're not. I've missed it until now.
Well, from now my tune has changed and I will look down with contempt and pity on these guards.
I wonder how many security guards out there have had run ins with 'wanna be airline pilots' equipped with shiny wings, epaulettes and leathermans hanging off their belts, swaggering around and talking down to anyone who dares question them?
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Mai, I have been as careful as I could to ensure that the context of each conversation was made clear, so as to reflect the situation exactly as happened. I also feel that perhaps my depiction of the night guard as a "Dirty Harry type" was not unjustified, but I drew that conclusion from the ubrupt and rude way he went about his business. I've only been on this earth a shade (OK, a long shadow), past 30 years, and I would think that by now I've got a fairly good idea on how to diffuse/deal with most situations and people. Over the top is over the top, and both of these situations were such. If approached and asked what I was doing (like anyone else would have, something along the lines of "excuse me mate" would have been a much better start), then there would be no thread here at all, end story.
Just a couple of little things, Mai:
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Please read that again, but this time take note of HIS way of greeting me....
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I have no problem or issue with anybody "doing their job". I bear no airs or graces, and treat people the way they treat me, end story. There was nothing chatty or friendly about it (and nor should there have been if you look at what the idea of security is), but the word "proffessionalism" (spl?) and "authoritarianism" are not one and the same are they?
Nobody doubts you have a difficult job, Mai. But please take on board the suggestions I made about an easier way to do it. It doesn't come across well in front of my paying SLF to see that sort of situation on our home turf. An yes, it is a wonderful thing to be sure that the a/c will still be there in the morning, thank you. If you are from AY(e), then you'll already know who I am, and how to get hold of me, I'm not un-approachable, and I do have to get all my fuel from there, (a/c and) yellow ute and all....
Jay Dubbaya suh, the point made, and very well. Thank you. Beat-ups, moi? Not this little black duck I gotta be good nowadays, I'm a pwofeshunal..... but don't you think those white domes could do with a big smiley face?
Batch.... yeah, I'm getting too old for that s#!t these days, you know me!
Apache, long time no hear! Maggie was handy, but best was to wander over to see what he wanted first, only to almost expect to be frisked by way of his attitude. Xmas drinks this year dude? Have been told I can look forward to Chrissie at home, YOO BOOOOOTY!
Then again mai, if you aren't a security person down at the Rock, (and if you do come from there), then I do hope you made money with the 208 the other day........ you all went very quiet when I walked past.
Have a wonderful day!
Just a couple of little things, Mai:
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“My answer was perhaps best described as "none of your business, got any problem with that, then go talk to the boss,..”
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What sort of an attitude do some of you have when your initial reaction to someone wandering over, doing their job and perhaps just after a friendly chat is to tell them...
Nobody doubts you have a difficult job, Mai. But please take on board the suggestions I made about an easier way to do it. It doesn't come across well in front of my paying SLF to see that sort of situation on our home turf. An yes, it is a wonderful thing to be sure that the a/c will still be there in the morning, thank you. If you are from AY(e), then you'll already know who I am, and how to get hold of me, I'm not un-approachable, and I do have to get all my fuel from there, (a/c and) yellow ute and all....
Jay Dubbaya suh, the point made, and very well. Thank you. Beat-ups, moi?
Not this little black duck I gotta be good nowadays, I'm a pwofeshunal..... but don't you think those white domes could do with a big smiley face? Batch.... yeah, I'm getting too old for that s#!t these days, you know me!
Apache, long time no hear! Maggie was handy, but best was to wander over to see what he wanted first, only to almost expect to be frisked by way of his attitude. Xmas drinks this year dude? Have been told I can look forward to Chrissie at home, YOO BOOOOOTY!
Then again mai, if you aren't a security person down at the Rock, (and if you do come from there), then I do hope you made money with the 208 the other day........ you all went very quiet when I walked past.
Have a wonderful day!
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I stand by what I said. I am not here to pat anyone on the back.
I suspect some poetic exaggeration was used when describing the incident.
The context and point I was trying to make seems to be incomprehensible to some.
I don't work as a security guard and I don't know you.
Enough wasting my time with trivial matters, I should of bitten my tounge.
Good day.
I suspect some poetic exaggeration was used when describing the incident.
The context and point I was trying to make seems to be incomprehensible to some.
I don't work as a security guard and I don't know you.
Enough wasting my time with trivial matters, I should of bitten my tounge.
Good day.