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Duncan Holley Feeding Frenzy
Jolly Good - It has been firmly established by some of you that Duncan Holley is defective, and he has been entered in the Cabin Log.
He was transferred to the 'B' defects some time ago. He was tested on the ground and the fault was replicated. Engineers are aware and replacement parts have been ordered, however the necessary parts are no longer manufactured and there will be a long wait for delivery.
There is no need to snag this piece of equipment on every sector: It is a known defect. Please read the deferred defects before posting, to avoid multiple same-issue snags.
...It is getting tedious
He was transferred to the 'B' defects some time ago. He was tested on the ground and the fault was replicated. Engineers are aware and replacement parts have been ordered, however the necessary parts are no longer manufactured and there will be a long wait for delivery.
There is no need to snag this piece of equipment on every sector: It is a known defect. Please read the deferred defects before posting, to avoid multiple same-issue snags.
...It is getting tedious
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I knew he'd left BA, but had no idea that he'd also left the planet!
The last few days at work, I've witnessed/heard, amongst other things: a crew member totally blanking Flight Crew downroute, an SCCM being deliberately obstructive regards requests for refreshments/snacks from Flight Crew on a long day, have myself been shunned for no obviously apparent reason by someone that I've never worked with or met before, "The pilots will be next, and then they won't be laughing", and "The FC's 4% will look pathetic when we get our deal".
Oddly though, I've only spotted ONE orange baggage tag. Seems that the 5811 are not quite as proud of, and therefore not quite as willing to display their allegiance to bassa as they have been in the past. Sadly though, many still seem willing to stoop to the rather tiresome antics mentioned above. Quite what they get out of it I really can't tell. I just wind them up by ignoring most of it and being overly happy
The last few days at work, I've witnessed/heard, amongst other things: a crew member totally blanking Flight Crew downroute, an SCCM being deliberately obstructive regards requests for refreshments/snacks from Flight Crew on a long day, have myself been shunned for no obviously apparent reason by someone that I've never worked with or met before, "The pilots will be next, and then they won't be laughing", and "The FC's 4% will look pathetic when we get our deal".
Oddly though, I've only spotted ONE orange baggage tag. Seems that the 5811 are not quite as proud of, and therefore not quite as willing to display their allegiance to bassa as they have been in the past. Sadly though, many still seem willing to stoop to the rather tiresome antics mentioned above. Quite what they get out of it I really can't tell. I just wind them up by ignoring most of it and being overly happy
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At first, I was livid when I read the latest odious rant - how dare some bitter individual play out his own failings and inadequacies by purporting to represent the views of cabin crew? Any crew with the ability for critical thinking will abhor this.
However, as I digest it, the more I realise how much potential positive good could come out of this off the wall rant. I await with interest Unite's next move - they could really show some strength and long awaited dignity now.
However, as I digest it, the more I realise how much potential positive good could come out of this off the wall rant. I await with interest Unite's next move - they could really show some strength and long awaited dignity now.
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Well I think the last couple of posts show one of the problems, many on this site are having, and that is that many of you are actually unhappy a settlement might be insight because many of you wanted to punish the strikers!
Have no doubt, a deal will be done. This will not end without one. Be assured that an element of "punishment" will be part of it. On an individual level, you may not necessarily regard it as such but I assure you it will be there. Think in the longer term, the "big picture" if you like, and you will see it.
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Brewmaster was a brand of beer we used to have in the aircraft bars.
If the pilots were unpleasant, we would put their beers on dry ice or shake them up so they exploded when they opened them on their crew transport. BA pilots used to have separate transport some years ago..
Those were the days of course when you could have a beer on the bus.
BA and BALPA members have failed to defeat BASSA. All that has been achieved is a lasting loathing of the Flight Crew by most of the cabin crew community.
As far as punishment is concerned HF, taking ST away from striking crew is already a punishment, hence the continued dispute.
When a settlement has been negotiated our "punishment" will not be any different than a prisoner kept on remand. The sentence will be viewed as already served.
If the pilots were unpleasant, we would put their beers on dry ice or shake them up so they exploded when they opened them on their crew transport. BA pilots used to have separate transport some years ago..
Those were the days of course when you could have a beer on the bus.
BA and BALPA members have failed to defeat BASSA. All that has been achieved is a lasting loathing of the Flight Crew by most of the cabin crew community.
As far as punishment is concerned HF, taking ST away from striking crew is already a punishment, hence the continued dispute.
When a settlement has been negotiated our "punishment" will not be any different than a prisoner kept on remand. The sentence will be viewed as already served.
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BA and BALPA members have failed to defeat BASSA. All that has been achieved is a lasting loathing of the Flight Crew by most of the cabin crew community.
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All that has been achieved is a lasting loathing of the Flight Crew by most of the cabin crew community.
As a LH capt I'm very proud of my colleagues and really enjoy their professional support and their company. Over the last few trips we've had a few challenges (leading to offloads) which we have dealt with together in mutual support - as it should be. There is poison, vitriol and malice out there, but thankfully the colleagues I meet are mature enough to rise above it and be themselves. Long may it continue, I couldn't do my job without them.
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Latest Bassa update
Quite an interesting development from Bassa today, especially the bit where they say the reps are going to be in direct talks with KW.
Talks with British Airways will begin again on Tuesday; these talks will
involve Lenny McCluskey, Keith Williams and BASSA. This will be the first time that your representatives will formally meet with British Airways in over a year; this in itself has to be a positive and welcome development.
The deadline for industrial action has been extended; this gives us all a
window in which to work to achieve a resolution.The outcome of course cannot be predicted, we cannot guarantee that we will be successful but we can guarantee that we will do our absolute best to be so.
Our goal is to ensure that "change" not only benefits British Airways, but is done in a fair way that also secures your future. Due to the delicate nature of these discussions and to create an environment in which problems can be solved in an honest and open way, it will not be possible to communicate every detail or development as it happens, we ask for your understanding and trust with that.
VERY IMPORTANT - To ALL reps and members involved in dispute related disciplinary cases. If you wish to exercise your option to pause the process in your individual case until the outcome of these talks then you must express this in WRITING to the relevant manager as soon as possible.
Will be interesting to find out if this is true. Have to say I would be surprised to say the least if DH was part of the Bassa team meeting KW
Talks with British Airways will begin again on Tuesday; these talks will
involve Lenny McCluskey, Keith Williams and BASSA. This will be the first time that your representatives will formally meet with British Airways in over a year; this in itself has to be a positive and welcome development.
The deadline for industrial action has been extended; this gives us all a
window in which to work to achieve a resolution.The outcome of course cannot be predicted, we cannot guarantee that we will be successful but we can guarantee that we will do our absolute best to be so.
Our goal is to ensure that "change" not only benefits British Airways, but is done in a fair way that also secures your future. Due to the delicate nature of these discussions and to create an environment in which problems can be solved in an honest and open way, it will not be possible to communicate every detail or development as it happens, we ask for your understanding and trust with that.
VERY IMPORTANT - To ALL reps and members involved in dispute related disciplinary cases. If you wish to exercise your option to pause the process in your individual case until the outcome of these talks then you must express this in WRITING to the relevant manager as soon as possible.
Will be interesting to find out if this is true. Have to say I would be surprised to say the least if DH was part of the Bassa team meeting KW
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Freddie,
What a really lovely thing to say.
It is really good of you to make a rare post because as someone who gets on really well with our flight crew, I often find it really upsetting when I read stuff on hear, that could give people the impression that crew are not professional in general. It is only a very small minority that make things unpleasant, and the majority, including many who were strikers, misguided though they were, are just as they have always been, caring and nice to all.
Just a few bad apples ruin it.
Many thanks for making your post.
What a really lovely thing to say.
It is really good of you to make a rare post because as someone who gets on really well with our flight crew, I often find it really upsetting when I read stuff on hear, that could give people the impression that crew are not professional in general. It is only a very small minority that make things unpleasant, and the majority, including many who were strikers, misguided though they were, are just as they have always been, caring and nice to all.
Just a few bad apples ruin it.
Many thanks for making your post.
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In honour of Freddie, I have converted from being a long-time lurker to actually posting.
My experiences on my flights, as maincrew, have been the same as Freddie.
I must be lucky, because other than about one occasion of crew avoiding flight crew downroute, and crew "keeping their head down" when on flights with VCCs, then all my flights have been "business as usual".
My experiences on my flights, as maincrew, have been the same as Freddie.
I must be lucky, because other than about one occasion of crew avoiding flight crew downroute, and crew "keeping their head down" when on flights with VCCs, then all my flights have been "business as usual".
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To ALL reps and members involved in dispute related disciplinary cases. If you wish to exercise your option to pause the process in your individual case until the outcome of these talks
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Re-reading the same old vitriol re-hashed and raked over like the embers of a fire about to go out leaves me utterly perplexed. Rome is burning BASSA, wake up!
Last week, for the first time ever I noticed that in the CRC coffee shop that MF colleagues were definitely in the majority. More and more routes are being transferred to MF, MF is growing at a prestigious rates and being warmly received by customers etc... yet BASSA aren't concerned.
The more BASSA prognosticates allows BA more time to make them irrelevant. Our CC definitely need and deserve good industrial representation but why be a member of BASSA? DH has never demonstrated a strategy other than WW out yet all he has achieved is getting WW promoted and himself sacked. BASSA is a joke and it provides its members no value. In my humble opinion, they would probably be better investing their monthly subs in National Lottery tickets.
In the year since the strike BASSA has achieved nothing. Moreover it has completely failed to inform it's membership of the risks of the new European Flight Time Limitations which will make BA's 'impositions' pale into insignificance.
What does it take for BASSA members to start asking "What is the point of being a member?". I know many think it already.
Last week, for the first time ever I noticed that in the CRC coffee shop that MF colleagues were definitely in the majority. More and more routes are being transferred to MF, MF is growing at a prestigious rates and being warmly received by customers etc... yet BASSA aren't concerned.
The more BASSA prognosticates allows BA more time to make them irrelevant. Our CC definitely need and deserve good industrial representation but why be a member of BASSA? DH has never demonstrated a strategy other than WW out yet all he has achieved is getting WW promoted and himself sacked. BASSA is a joke and it provides its members no value. In my humble opinion, they would probably be better investing their monthly subs in National Lottery tickets.
In the year since the strike BASSA has achieved nothing. Moreover it has completely failed to inform it's membership of the risks of the new European Flight Time Limitations which will make BA's 'impositions' pale into insignificance.
What does it take for BASSA members to start asking "What is the point of being a member?". I know many think it already.
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Demomonkey. The facts are that BA and a VCC army have not been able to destroy BASSA or the spirit of its members. That is why BA can no longer continue with Walsh's union busting agenda. It has failed miserably.
The legacy at BA as at Aer Lingus, is a company racked with industrial relations problems, but worse in some aspects, as Aer Lingus pilots did not get involved in the cabin crew dispute there. In fact quite the opposite, they supported their cabin crew.
Now after spending a fortune flying in VCC's from around the world, chartering fleets of aircraft during the strikes and the hundreds of millions lost in forward bookings, someone needs to take responsibility for this strategy. However as before with the T5 fiasco, scapegoats will be found elsewhere. I know exactly in IFCE who this is likely to be. I am not going to put a name up here, other wise the mods will delete this post.
So it is nearly all over. BASSA members are ready to strike again if need be, but with the rather more emollient Mr Williams at the helm of BA, a settlement is within grasp.
The legacy at BA as at Aer Lingus, is a company racked with industrial relations problems, but worse in some aspects, as Aer Lingus pilots did not get involved in the cabin crew dispute there. In fact quite the opposite, they supported their cabin crew.
Now after spending a fortune flying in VCC's from around the world, chartering fleets of aircraft during the strikes and the hundreds of millions lost in forward bookings, someone needs to take responsibility for this strategy. However as before with the T5 fiasco, scapegoats will be found elsewhere. I know exactly in IFCE who this is likely to be. I am not going to put a name up here, other wise the mods will delete this post.
So it is nearly all over. BASSA members are ready to strike again if need be, but with the rather more emollient Mr Williams at the helm of BA, a settlement is within grasp.
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KW can afford to be less abrasive in his negotiations because they already have everything they wanted. He can be seen as the 'good guy', when in reality all he will do is give you back what you lost through striking. I hardly see that as a win.
In fact the sad fact of this saga is many legacy crews have had their career aspirations ruined. There will be little or no promotion on WW or EF now that MF has arrived. If you are main crew now, that is where you will stay.
In addition MF and the VCC army will just get larger in number so the next time BA decide to make cuts your strike threat will mean nothing.
KW can take the glory for being the peace maker, but he isn't going to give legacy fleets anything other than the things they've lost. But BA have the 'holy grail' Mixed Fleet. Something that BASSA could have avoided had they signed the deal a year ago...
In fact the sad fact of this saga is many legacy crews have had their career aspirations ruined. There will be little or no promotion on WW or EF now that MF has arrived. If you are main crew now, that is where you will stay.
In addition MF and the VCC army will just get larger in number so the next time BA decide to make cuts your strike threat will mean nothing.
KW can take the glory for being the peace maker, but he isn't going to give legacy fleets anything other than the things they've lost. But BA have the 'holy grail' Mixed Fleet. Something that BASSA could have avoided had they signed the deal a year ago...
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I.A.T.U. Butler
It seems that we fundamentally disagree in how we view the sucess or otherwise of WW's strategy and indeed whether it was a union busting one. Furthermore, you assertion that there will be a need to blame someone within the management by the management is not one I can see the logic in. That is, I guess perhaps something that will never change, you believe what you believe after examining the facts, I take a different viewpoint and that is all reasonable.
"BASSA members are ready to strike again if need be" - again, this can be seen as admirable, sticking to your principles despite everything. What I don't understand, and perhaps you can help me with, is why? What will striking achieve this time that striking has failed to achieve so far. BA has shown that it will carry on regardless and the strike will not achieve your aims, indeed it is likely to cost the strikers, as it did last time, for no gain. So why are BASSA members so ready to strike for no gain? I simply cannot understand why. Perhaps you can explain.
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"BASSA members are ready to strike again if need be" - again, this can be seen as admirable, sticking to your principles despite everything. What I don't understand, and perhaps you can help me with, is why? What will striking achieve this time that striking has failed to achieve so far. BA has shown that it will carry on regardless and the strike will not achieve your aims, indeed it is likely to cost the strikers, as it did last time, for no gain. So why are BASSA members so ready to strike for no gain? I simply cannot understand why. Perhaps you can explain.
Regards
JT