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Crew living abroad depending on which country they chose to live are not paying local income tax and are only paying National Insurance tax in the UK. Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Turkey at the present time do not charge Income Tax to crew members working for a UK registered and operating airline.
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wiggy,
I did not mean to upset you. I do not know why or how but the crew based overseas do not pay as much tax as the uk based crew. That was all I was saying.
I don't think you will find anybody that flies for BA that will disagree with that statement.
I was just explaining to flyblue why that might be because he thought the tax would be the same.
That's all, sorry if I got some of the detail wrong.
I did not mean to upset you. I do not know why or how but the crew based overseas do not pay as much tax as the uk based crew. That was all I was saying.
I don't think you will find anybody that flies for BA that will disagree with that statement.
I was just explaining to flyblue why that might be because he thought the tax would be the same.
That's all, sorry if I got some of the detail wrong.
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Anger at colleagues who were too afraid to support a strike they had voted for and, although it pains us to record this, intense anger at our flight deck “colleagues” who continue to stab us in the back.
The easiest defence against admitting to completely screwing up industrial relations for all time is to blame someone else, ie: flight crew.
Wouldn't want members to start asking awkward questions, eh?
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Another interpretation of today's meeting
My interpretation in red.
REPORT FROM TODAY’S (SEP 6TH) BRANCH
Sep 6th, 2010 by admin
Approx 1500 are you sure cabin crew attended the joint BASSA/AMICUS meeting today held at Kempton Park and, to a man, woman and child thought only members were allowed to attend, were decked out in yellow in a solidarity gesture to the members who, during the dispute have either been sacked, suspended or been put through disciplinaries. The sight of the two small children has the new term not started then in your area? wearing “BA sacked my Mum” t-shirts was very poignant and a timely reminder that decent ordinary crew who have possibly done something wrong? are losing their livelihoods due to one man’s bullying and intransigence.Oh yes its all WW fault - thanks for reminding us AGAIN!! A minute’s silence was then held in memory of the two cabin crew members who lost their lives in the Manchester-Corfu crash which occurred almost 25 years ago to the day. During the silence bouquets and bunches of yellow flowers were laid at the front and afterwards they were taken away by crew from Manchester where they will be placed at the memorial place in Manchester. It was a sombre and moving moment. And something you should be TRULY ashamed of attaching YOUR dispute to a terrible incident. Totally sick IMO.
The meeting was a lively one and different to the big meetings previously held over the last year tales of tomato growing etc to keep you all on the edge of your seats at either Kempton or Sandown. Where as in the past there had been fear, worry, concern and trepidation the mood today was one of real anger. Anger at the cowardly Oh not ST again please way this company had treated everyone present. Anger at colleagues who were too afraid to support a strike No sorry not afraid at all, just that we used our brains and didn't just follow EVERYTHING Bassa said. FYI following Bassa is not conditional in all that we do.they had voted for it was DH who changed the goalposts ( 12 days of xmas) AFTER we had voted and , although it pains us to record this, intense anger at our flight deck “colleagues” who continue to stab us in the back. Oh that OLD target again. There was no talk of compromise or turning back. (Determination to see this through whatever was very evident throughout the whole meeting.) Please go on strike if Unite let you because I can't wait
The assembly was told that despite the efforts of Tony Woodley and Derek Twitter Simpson there had been no progress made in the talks, with Walsh as aggressive as ever.Yawn The following mandate was then voted on from the floor and it was unanimously accepted with no abstentions. Where was this mandate proposed - Burma, N.Korea?. Amazing how there are NEVER any no's or abstentions. President Kim would be so proud.
Due to BA’s increased assault on our union, our leadership and our membership, because you keep breaking the rules this branch calls on the Joint General Secretaries to initiate a ballot for Industrial Action as soon as possible, or preferably before they retire with the exact timing left to the discretion another DH decision then of the committee. So that would be xmas then!
We would also like Unite to advise the travelling public that there is every likelihood of industrial action over the autumn and winter months. Sooner rather than later as we are ALL getting bored of this.
There then followed an in depth should hope so after 9 months report back from OH Parsons re the legal situation vis a vis staff travel, unlawful deductions of wages and the imposition which not even the Bassa hardliners care about now of taking crew off an aircraft appeal. Suffice to say the talking is now over thank God for that and the solicitors are now putting into place the relevant procedures necessary to fight all these cases through the courts. More wasted members money. OH Parsons agreed to issue a newsletter at last! to bring all members up to date asap. The floor were very vocal you don't say and insistent that action had to start immediately and there had been too much talking up to now.Your'e telling me!!
There was a further proposal - supported unanimously from the floor to raise the BASSA subs by £5 per month more wasted money to help meet travelling costs to and from work to all those commuters who have lost staff travel. And who knew the consequences before the first strikes. This would just be for the time the ban remains in place. Or until the Earth becomes extinct. It was agreed however to put this to an online poll on the BASSA website to give everybody the chance to have a say on this. But remember that DH has the members list and will no doubt act accordingly if you dare to vote No. The poll is up and running and it was agreed we would all be bound by the outcome. Or else its the salt mines for you dissenters again this winter.
An update was given on the situation re volunteer reps. There is a feeling that BA may take punitive action against any member who does BASSA/AMICUS work in their spare time. Legal advice needs to be taken on this to see if there is any potential breach of contract issues. So expect an answer around 2014.
It was also reported back that Unite had paid out £2.83m Am sure ALL of Unite's members in other areas will love to know their hard earned contributions are being spent wisely in strike pay to 6,729 striking crew members (average claim 10 days) and that hardship loans had now been granted to all those deemed deserving.
The meeting concluded with a pensions debrief by Ed Sabisky of Unite. That being - sorry we forgot to tell 11000 of you, it was an undersight on our part!
The meeting can probably be best summed up by most people’s parting shot -
SEE YOU AT BEDFONT! Top tip - charcoal is now half price as the BBQ season is over, so dive in as you may need lots of it in December
Me now. In conclusion, whilst I know I was being flippant ( sorry Mod ) it seems this meeting was just the same old rhetoric, and I'm truly sorry that DH and LM in particular are going to take down probably many young innocent people.
REPORT FROM TODAY’S (SEP 6TH) BRANCH
Sep 6th, 2010 by admin
Approx 1500 are you sure cabin crew attended the joint BASSA/AMICUS meeting today held at Kempton Park and, to a man, woman and child thought only members were allowed to attend, were decked out in yellow in a solidarity gesture to the members who, during the dispute have either been sacked, suspended or been put through disciplinaries. The sight of the two small children has the new term not started then in your area? wearing “BA sacked my Mum” t-shirts was very poignant and a timely reminder that decent ordinary crew who have possibly done something wrong? are losing their livelihoods due to one man’s bullying and intransigence.Oh yes its all WW fault - thanks for reminding us AGAIN!! A minute’s silence was then held in memory of the two cabin crew members who lost their lives in the Manchester-Corfu crash which occurred almost 25 years ago to the day. During the silence bouquets and bunches of yellow flowers were laid at the front and afterwards they were taken away by crew from Manchester where they will be placed at the memorial place in Manchester. It was a sombre and moving moment. And something you should be TRULY ashamed of attaching YOUR dispute to a terrible incident. Totally sick IMO.
The meeting was a lively one and different to the big meetings previously held over the last year tales of tomato growing etc to keep you all on the edge of your seats at either Kempton or Sandown. Where as in the past there had been fear, worry, concern and trepidation the mood today was one of real anger. Anger at the cowardly Oh not ST again please way this company had treated everyone present. Anger at colleagues who were too afraid to support a strike No sorry not afraid at all, just that we used our brains and didn't just follow EVERYTHING Bassa said. FYI following Bassa is not conditional in all that we do.they had voted for it was DH who changed the goalposts ( 12 days of xmas) AFTER we had voted and , although it pains us to record this, intense anger at our flight deck “colleagues” who continue to stab us in the back. Oh that OLD target again. There was no talk of compromise or turning back. (Determination to see this through whatever was very evident throughout the whole meeting.) Please go on strike if Unite let you because I can't wait
The assembly was told that despite the efforts of Tony Woodley and Derek Twitter Simpson there had been no progress made in the talks, with Walsh as aggressive as ever.Yawn The following mandate was then voted on from the floor and it was unanimously accepted with no abstentions. Where was this mandate proposed - Burma, N.Korea?. Amazing how there are NEVER any no's or abstentions. President Kim would be so proud.
Due to BA’s increased assault on our union, our leadership and our membership, because you keep breaking the rules this branch calls on the Joint General Secretaries to initiate a ballot for Industrial Action as soon as possible, or preferably before they retire with the exact timing left to the discretion another DH decision then of the committee. So that would be xmas then!
We would also like Unite to advise the travelling public that there is every likelihood of industrial action over the autumn and winter months. Sooner rather than later as we are ALL getting bored of this.
There then followed an in depth should hope so after 9 months report back from OH Parsons re the legal situation vis a vis staff travel, unlawful deductions of wages and the imposition which not even the Bassa hardliners care about now of taking crew off an aircraft appeal. Suffice to say the talking is now over thank God for that and the solicitors are now putting into place the relevant procedures necessary to fight all these cases through the courts. More wasted members money. OH Parsons agreed to issue a newsletter at last! to bring all members up to date asap. The floor were very vocal you don't say and insistent that action had to start immediately and there had been too much talking up to now.Your'e telling me!!
There was a further proposal - supported unanimously from the floor to raise the BASSA subs by £5 per month more wasted money to help meet travelling costs to and from work to all those commuters who have lost staff travel. And who knew the consequences before the first strikes. This would just be for the time the ban remains in place. Or until the Earth becomes extinct. It was agreed however to put this to an online poll on the BASSA website to give everybody the chance to have a say on this. But remember that DH has the members list and will no doubt act accordingly if you dare to vote No. The poll is up and running and it was agreed we would all be bound by the outcome. Or else its the salt mines for you dissenters again this winter.
An update was given on the situation re volunteer reps. There is a feeling that BA may take punitive action against any member who does BASSA/AMICUS work in their spare time. Legal advice needs to be taken on this to see if there is any potential breach of contract issues. So expect an answer around 2014.
It was also reported back that Unite had paid out £2.83m Am sure ALL of Unite's members in other areas will love to know their hard earned contributions are being spent wisely in strike pay to 6,729 striking crew members (average claim 10 days) and that hardship loans had now been granted to all those deemed deserving.
The meeting concluded with a pensions debrief by Ed Sabisky of Unite. That being - sorry we forgot to tell 11000 of you, it was an undersight on our part!
The meeting can probably be best summed up by most people’s parting shot -
SEE YOU AT BEDFONT! Top tip - charcoal is now half price as the BBQ season is over, so dive in as you may need lots of it in December
Me now. In conclusion, whilst I know I was being flippant ( sorry Mod ) it seems this meeting was just the same old rhetoric, and I'm truly sorry that DH and LM in particular are going to take down probably many young innocent people.
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This bit from the official report:
has made me feel even more sick and nauseous.
1. Why only remember the 2 crew members? What about the passengers?
2. Why were people walking around during a minute's silence? There was me thinking a minute's silence was to reflect on the occasion one is remembering.
3. Why use yellow flowers? Yellow flowers "belong" to Marie Curie Trust (a cancer trust for those who don't know)
4. How very dare they use the Manchester tragedy in such a disrespectful manner? Not forgetting other world "events" used in this dispute.
I'm so disgusted, I can't explain it. I must go lie down now before I pop a vein or something.
A minute’s silence was then held in memory of the two cabin crew members who lost their lives in the Manchester-Corfu crash which occurred almost 25 years ago to the day. During the silence bouquets and bunches of yellow flowers were laid at the front and afterwards they were taken away by crew from Manchester where they will be placed at the memorial place in Manchester. It was a sombre and moving moment.
1. Why only remember the 2 crew members? What about the passengers?
2. Why were people walking around during a minute's silence? There was me thinking a minute's silence was to reflect on the occasion one is remembering.
3. Why use yellow flowers? Yellow flowers "belong" to Marie Curie Trust (a cancer trust for those who don't know)
4. How very dare they use the Manchester tragedy in such a disrespectful manner? Not forgetting other world "events" used in this dispute.
I'm so disgusted, I can't explain it. I must go lie down now before I pop a vein or something.
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Approx 1500 cabin crew attended the joint BASSA/AMICUS meeting today held at Kempton Park and, to a man, woman and child, were decked out in yellow in a solidarity gesture to the members who, during the dispute have either been sacked, suspended or been put through disciplinaries. The sight of the two small children wearing “BA sacked my Mum” t-shirts was very poignant and a timely reminder that decent ordinary crew are losing their livelihoods due to one man’s bullying and intransigence.
I assume steps were taken to ensure those from both groups didn't participate in any votes taken at the meeting.
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this is an excellent turn out and clear message to the the 'little' bully!!.
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You couldn't make it up!
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APOLOGY TO DAVID GREEN EF
Sep 6th, 2010 by admin
In a recent e mail and news item re Graham Tatershall we mentioned that a David Green, a strike breaker, had deliberately started a taunting thread on the BASSA forum and then taken the responses to BA which lead to a member being suspended.</SPAN>
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We should like to point out that the David Green we were referring to was "newly made up" CSD Davey Green on WW and not David Green EF who is a loyal supporter of this union. We have now updated the news item. </SPAN>
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APOLOGY TO DAVID GREEN EF
Sep 6th, 2010 by admin
In a recent e mail and news item re Graham Tatershall we mentioned that a David Green, a strike breaker, had deliberately started a taunting thread on the BASSA forum and then taken the responses to BA which lead to a member being suspended.</SPAN></SPAN>
We should like to point out that the David Green we were referring to was "newly made up" CSD Davey Green on WW and not David Green EF who is a loyal supporter of this union. We have now updated the news item. </SPAN>
Apologies to the EF David from BASSA!
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that'll be the Davey Green who does tireless work raising money for charity by running marathons all over the world (he has also written a book about his exploits, all profits to charity!) A top bloke who is a real asset to BA.
the more we have of his ilk and the less of the militants like DH the better IMO.
However, if i were him i would be considering my legal position at the potentially libellious remarks from the BASSA secretary.
the more we have of his ilk and the less of the militants like DH the better IMO.
However, if i were him i would be considering my legal position at the potentially libellious remarks from the BASSA secretary.
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£5 more to union???
I have canx'd my direct debit and e-mailed my immediate resignation from Unite - the very thought of paying £5 a month towards the travelling costs of those who chose to lose their staff travel has made my blood boil!!!! 
How very dare they!!! I'd rather rip out my own kidneys, grill them and eat them!!!!
How very dare they!!! I'd rather rip out my own kidneys, grill them and eat them!!!!
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I have canx'd my direct debit and e-mailed my immediate resignation from Unite - the very thought of paying £5 a month towards the travelling costs of those who chose to lose their staff travel has made my blood boil!!!! How very dare they!!! I'd rather rip out my own kidneys, grill them and eat them!!!!
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Wiggy, spare us the sanctimonious hand wringing and "advice".
Paying tax is part of the contract between citizens and state.
The state provides a number of services, the citizens contribute according to the tax laws.
Being an honest citizen should be considered the norm, rather than something to crow about.
Contrary to the spin you are trying to put on it, flyblue did not comment on "the vast majority of UK based flight crew living outside the UK" who according to you (what do you base that assumption on BTW?) pay their taxes according to the mutual tax agreements between the UK and France.
The comment related directly to the quote by Betty Girl; namely people who get their UK salary tax free but do not register with the tax authority in their country of residence.
That is tax fraud Wiggy, plain and simple.
Paying tax is part of the contract between citizens and state.
The state provides a number of services, the citizens contribute according to the tax laws.
Being an honest citizen should be considered the norm, rather than something to crow about.
Contrary to the spin you are trying to put on it, flyblue did not comment on "the vast majority of UK based flight crew living outside the UK" who according to you (what do you base that assumption on BTW?) pay their taxes according to the mutual tax agreements between the UK and France.
The comment related directly to the quote by Betty Girl; namely people who get their UK salary tax free but do not register with the tax authority in their country of residence.
That is tax fraud Wiggy, plain and simple.
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Juan Tripps History Lesson
I vowed never to post on this forum after reading some of the rants on some of the threads.
However I feel that after reading some of vile comments posted on Pprune re the rememberence yesterday at Kempton Park of the crew and Passengers who died in the Manchester Airtours crash I feel some facts need to be posted.
Juan for your information many crew who still work on WW and EF worked out of Manchester for many years. some of those crew worked at British Airtours before British Airtours emalgimated with British Airways in 1986.
Some of us crew worked with the Crew who tragicly lost their lives in the British Airtours crash.. some of us crew kept intouch with the surviving crew and continued to carry many of the surviving passengers on our flights out of Manchester.
I was at Kempton Yesterday (from your previous posts re standing at the back and making a vid of the meeting you could have been their too)
The members attending brought Yellow flowers in rememberence of ALL the CREW & PASSENGERS who died on that tragic day.
The flowers were beautifull and the ninutes silence was very fitting for these brave souls. This year marks the 25th anniversary of that very sad day. A service was held some weeks ago in the Gardens at manchester Airport and surviving members and relatives were all present. A tree and a memorial has been placed in the garden.
I was also on the bus that took the flowers up to Manchester where they were placed at the memorial in the Garden at Mancheter Airport. A little prayer was said for ALL.
The colour Yellow was chosen as a sign of peace (lost on some I now read).. however the colour yellow was chosen.. no big science.. not chosen to upset anyone.. just simply a sign of peace.
Juan how anyone could take anything other than a peaceful rememberence of lost friends collegues and passangers as anything more than that is very upsetting. Your vile comments have upset many crew who knew and worked with those crew members.
You and others realy need to stop and think before you print.
I cant imagine for one moment you are crew.. I could never believe that I would work along side anyone with such hatred in their heart..
it is beyond me that anyone could take anything bad out of the rememberence yesterday.
On that note I would like to thank all the members at Kempton who kindly donated such beautifull flowers in such hard times.. You are an insperation and thank you the memorial looked beautifull last night..
However I feel that after reading some of vile comments posted on Pprune re the rememberence yesterday at Kempton Park of the crew and Passengers who died in the Manchester Airtours crash I feel some facts need to be posted.
Juan for your information many crew who still work on WW and EF worked out of Manchester for many years. some of those crew worked at British Airtours before British Airtours emalgimated with British Airways in 1986.
Some of us crew worked with the Crew who tragicly lost their lives in the British Airtours crash.. some of us crew kept intouch with the surviving crew and continued to carry many of the surviving passengers on our flights out of Manchester.
I was at Kempton Yesterday (from your previous posts re standing at the back and making a vid of the meeting you could have been their too)
The members attending brought Yellow flowers in rememberence of ALL the CREW & PASSENGERS who died on that tragic day.
The flowers were beautifull and the ninutes silence was very fitting for these brave souls. This year marks the 25th anniversary of that very sad day. A service was held some weeks ago in the Gardens at manchester Airport and surviving members and relatives were all present. A tree and a memorial has been placed in the garden.
I was also on the bus that took the flowers up to Manchester where they were placed at the memorial in the Garden at Mancheter Airport. A little prayer was said for ALL.
The colour Yellow was chosen as a sign of peace (lost on some I now read).. however the colour yellow was chosen.. no big science.. not chosen to upset anyone.. just simply a sign of peace.
Juan how anyone could take anything other than a peaceful rememberence of lost friends collegues and passangers as anything more than that is very upsetting. Your vile comments have upset many crew who knew and worked with those crew members.
You and others realy need to stop and think before you print.
I cant imagine for one moment you are crew.. I could never believe that I would work along side anyone with such hatred in their heart..
it is beyond me that anyone could take anything bad out of the rememberence yesterday.
On that note I would like to thank all the members at Kempton who kindly donated such beautifull flowers in such hard times.. You are an insperation and thank you the memorial looked beautifull last night..
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dave3,
Had that been the only reason for those flowers and colours then I would agree with you that it was no more than a memorial to lost friends and colleagues.
However, and I suspect you know this full well, it is also being used as a mark of solidarity for the suspended and sacked crewmembers which has NOTHING to do with the airtours tragedy in MAN. If it was just about respect, why were Unite handing out yellow pens which many crewmembers are now saying they will use in the briefing rooms to identify one another as strikers?
So please don't be disingenuous, we both know that the use of the yellow "hook" was nothing more than another grandstanding exercise by the grand poobah. If anything, tying the two together diminished any respect that might have been paid to those lost 25 years ago. Now we'll have to endure schoolboy behaviour in the briefing room with the flashing of yellow pens instead - do you consider that a fitting memorial for those who lost their lives?
I don't.
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Had that been the only reason for those flowers and colours then I would agree with you that it was no more than a memorial to lost friends and colleagues.
However, and I suspect you know this full well, it is also being used as a mark of solidarity for the suspended and sacked crewmembers which has NOTHING to do with the airtours tragedy in MAN. If it was just about respect, why were Unite handing out yellow pens which many crewmembers are now saying they will use in the briefing rooms to identify one another as strikers?
So please don't be disingenuous, we both know that the use of the yellow "hook" was nothing more than another grandstanding exercise by the grand poobah. If anything, tying the two together diminished any respect that might have been paid to those lost 25 years ago. Now we'll have to endure schoolboy behaviour in the briefing room with the flashing of yellow pens instead - do you consider that a fitting memorial for those who lost their lives?
I don't.
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@ dave3 - your post would be more convincing if you hadn't openly fibbed about yellow being chosen as a colour of peace. Many of us have access to crew forums and know fine well that yellow was chosen as a colour of solidarity for the 'missing' crew members who are suspended or sacked. Nothing to do with peace. The whole idea of placing the flowers at the Manchester memorial came later from the BASSA forum poster and serial fantasist Gibbon (hello! I know you'll read this). It's this tawdry hijacking of the memorial with flowers tainted by association with extreme militancy that offends so many.
Meanwhile on a different tack, here's a glimpse into the mentality of one of the chief BASSA apparatchiks on a different forum:
Quite interesting logic (if you can call it such) that they seek to claim responsibility for a fall in bookings in the middle of a massive recession, whilst ignoring a more realistic interpretation that their strike has barely dented BAs bookings. Further in the thread they are all rejoicing that they have persuaded friends and family to fly Virgin instead of BA. I bet they'll be the first ones squealing when Virgin ballot for industrial action!
Meanwhile on a different tack, here's a glimpse into the mentality of one of the chief BASSA apparatchiks on a different forum:
BA are at it again with their figures!! They have announced that bookings are only down 3% year on year, BUT what they conveniently forgot to mention was that last year, bookings were down 12%. Therefore, this years forward bookings are down 15% & all the threat of POSSIBLE strikes over the festive season is not helping & we haven't even balloted yet!!!!! So remember folks:
OUR STRENGTH LIES IN OUR FORWARD BOOKINGS.
PLEASE PUT THE WORD ABOUT. THE LONGER THIS GOES ON THE MORE BOOKINGS WILL SUFFER, THE MORE PRESSURE ON THE BOARD.
OUR STRENGTH LIES IN OUR FORWARD BOOKINGS.
PLEASE PUT THE WORD ABOUT. THE LONGER THIS GOES ON THE MORE BOOKINGS WILL SUFFER, THE MORE PRESSURE ON THE BOARD.
Quite interesting logic (if you can call it such) that they seek to claim responsibility for a fall in bookings in the middle of a massive recession, whilst ignoring a more realistic interpretation that their strike has barely dented BAs bookings. Further in the thread they are all rejoicing that they have persuaded friends and family to fly Virgin instead of BA. I bet they'll be the first ones squealing when Virgin ballot for industrial action!
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I have not openly fibbed the colour yellow for the flowers was chosen as a peacflul gesture lost on this forum
You are correct in stating the colour yellow sorn by crew was shosen as a solidarily gesture for sacked and suspended crew.....
I did see a crew member who had NOT lost staff travel and openly dispeses bassa in T5 both the crew member and the partner were wearing Yellow.. going on staff travell what a conicidence.. you see we can all read into something if we wish.
Yellow flowers Yesterday sign of peace
Yellow clothers sign of solidarity...
You are correct in stating the colour yellow sorn by crew was shosen as a solidarily gesture for sacked and suspended crew.....
I did see a crew member who had NOT lost staff travel and openly dispeses bassa in T5 both the crew member and the partner were wearing Yellow.. going on staff travell what a conicidence.. you see we can all read into something if we wish.
Yellow flowers Yesterday sign of peace
Yellow clothers sign of solidarity...
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I note, as an aside, that BASSA steadily declining membership (self-declared on their website Bassa, about us and 9524 as of today) is constantly updated. It tends to decline in lumps of around 10 or 20 (one presumes when the system is updated?). I'd be interested to keep a watching eye on it as the £5 stipend takes root. After all it's not all that long ago Unite elected to levy their other members to pay for the strikers' hubris (my opinion) and that caused a number of our engineering members to leave Unite.
Worth keeping an eye on perhaps or can we expect Duncan to have that page removed or doctored if the numbers drop?
MrB
Worth keeping an eye on perhaps or can we expect Duncan to have that page removed or doctored if the numbers drop?
MrB