British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I have read through some of the comments on the Mirror site and they are full of vitriol clearly posted by BASSA supporters. (It's worth a look.)
If this doesn't turn out to be a DH set up, I'll be extremely surprised.
If this doesn't turn out to be a DH set up, I'll be extremely surprised.
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If these are truly comments made by BA pilots I despair, but how secure is Facebook? Do we think thathttp://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001110820698&ref=ts
Is the real Andrew Marr?
Is the real Andrew Marr?
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I have read through some of the comments on the Mirror site and they are full of vitriol clearly posted by BASSA supporters. (It's worth a look.)
If this doesn't turn out to be a DH set up, I'll be extremely surprised
If this doesn't turn out to be a DH set up, I'll be extremely surprised
Why don't we just accept that this is the truth and stop blaming others for this?
I really believe this has happened and I think that BALPA has already confirmed that it will support his members through this.So,please stop with the speculation you are making.
I wouldn't be extremely surprised if I was you..No pilot has ever called a passenger a txxt or wxxxxk in front of me, but I can assure you that they don't lose their sleep at night over our customers.
When the new seating was put on our Eurofleet flights, the pilots came dow the back to check them..I said something on the line of how little space they would have had and how unhappy they 'd have been expecially the ones sat in the last row.. Do you know what the answer was? ''OH,THIS IS ONLY A PARIS, I wouldn't worry about it" and he left..These new aircrafts actually go as far as Moscow.My argument was about that not about that specific flight how little do they cared still shocks me when I think about it .. that conversation opened my eyes.
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Nobody needs to just accept it's the truth. Though going on past posting here many will accept anything as truth. If the Facebook posts are true then it's a serious issue which needs to be addressed.
A friend of mine has a son who's Facebook account was used to spread false information about him. There's also no reason this couldn't have happened here. If they're genuine posts then they have to take their punishment.
Seems funny that a group of cabin crew should pay a visit a bunch of self serving money grubbing con artists (MPs) for support.
Speaking to colleagues. I think what is going on at work is no where near either the unions or company's perception. Staff are feeling nervous, anxious and fearful, some at what the company could do and some at what their colleagues could do. The bullying statement is used very flipantly by people. I don't think people realise how serious this is to the individual concerned.Obviously the bullying and harrassment training over the last couple of years has had no benefit what so ever.
A friend of mine has a son who's Facebook account was used to spread false information about him. There's also no reason this couldn't have happened here. If they're genuine posts then they have to take their punishment.
Seems funny that a group of cabin crew should pay a visit a bunch of self serving money grubbing con artists (MPs) for support.
Speaking to colleagues. I think what is going on at work is no where near either the unions or company's perception. Staff are feeling nervous, anxious and fearful, some at what the company could do and some at what their colleagues could do. The bullying statement is used very flipantly by people. I don't think people realise how serious this is to the individual concerned.Obviously the bullying and harrassment training over the last couple of years has had no benefit what so ever.
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There are idiot pilots and there are idiot FAs.
They are the exceptions.
There can be smart pilots who suffer a momentary lapse of judgment and there can be sensible FAs who do something very stupid in the heat of the moment.
They too are exceptions.
Most pilots genuinely care about their pax, and most FAs wouldn´t dream of emptying an O2 bottle for nothing.
Could we now please leave off the holier than thou comments & the finger pointing and move on from these matters?
If any of this has happened as described, it proves nothing about either pilots or FAs.
Foolish actions by some are not representative of either the pilot or the FA group.
Using these alleged occurrences as proof that there´s something wrong with either group as a whole, is lazy thinking at best.
The outraged finger pointing does nothing to further this debate.
So give it a rest please.
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Second to last day update …live from Bedfont!
Jun 8th, 2010 by admin
History is a strange phenomenon, in so far as people who are part of it rarely recognize that they are in fact living through it. Often it is only hindsight that gifts us this awareness.
There can be no doubt that with just one day remaining, that this dispute will gain that historical significance. For 22 days a largely middle class, predominantly female workforce stood up to a utterly ruthless, bully of an employer, determined at any cost and at any price to break their spirit. To this end he has failed, we are still here.
Mr. Walsh hasn’t won, but in truth neither have we. But you know what, in not losing against such powerful determination and by our spirit remaining as strong, that in itself is a victory of sorts. Issues still need to be resolved but the bad news for Mr. Walsh is: We are still here and he still needs to resolve them.
The bus for parliament is leaving Bedfont at13:30 today and will be packed with cabin crew going to represent our views to our elected members of parliament.
Tomorrow needs to be a big day, a historic day. It is the last day of 22 days of dispute, we will need your support one last time, to leave this dispute with a lasting memory to go into the history books.
Lenny McCluskey will be on stage at 1300 to announce what happens next
Ken Livingston will be on stage at 1330 to offer his personal support
At 1400, weather permitting their will be a final parade and last chance in this dispute to show the world that we are still proud to be cabin crew. We are proud of who we are and we are proud that we are still here.
If a solution is not found then we will be returning to Bedfont but for this dispute this will be our last day, come and be part of it.
Jun 8th, 2010 by admin
History is a strange phenomenon, in so far as people who are part of it rarely recognize that they are in fact living through it. Often it is only hindsight that gifts us this awareness.
There can be no doubt that with just one day remaining, that this dispute will gain that historical significance. For 22 days a largely middle class, predominantly female workforce stood up to a utterly ruthless, bully of an employer, determined at any cost and at any price to break their spirit. To this end he has failed, we are still here.
Mr. Walsh hasn’t won, but in truth neither have we. But you know what, in not losing against such powerful determination and by our spirit remaining as strong, that in itself is a victory of sorts. Issues still need to be resolved but the bad news for Mr. Walsh is: We are still here and he still needs to resolve them.
The bus for parliament is leaving Bedfont at13:30 today and will be packed with cabin crew going to represent our views to our elected members of parliament.
Tomorrow needs to be a big day, a historic day. It is the last day of 22 days of dispute, we will need your support one last time, to leave this dispute with a lasting memory to go into the history books.
Lenny McCluskey will be on stage at 1300 to announce what happens next
Ken Livingston will be on stage at 1330 to offer his personal support
At 1400, weather permitting their will be a final parade and last chance in this dispute to show the world that we are still proud to be cabin crew. We are proud of who we are and we are proud that we are still here.
If a solution is not found then we will be returning to Bedfont but for this dispute this will be our last day, come and be part of it.
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Lenny McCluskey will be on stage at 1300 to announce what happens next
Ken Livingston will be on stage at 1330 to offer his personal support
Ken Livingston will be on stage at 1330 to offer his personal support
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I think I can safely say, most contributors thought that this strike would have collapsed by now. So well done to those that have stuck it out (even though misguided and the reason for the strike has gone in the mists of time)
But the resovle of the strikers was not 100%.
The reason I say this is because the picket lines were not manned over the full day of operations ie 6am to 11pm. I should not be surprised as (going by some posts and DH's updated news) this was all a jolly day out at the airport. If you are really serious about your dispute, surely you would have picket coverage for the whole day and not just 8ish am to 4ish pm (nearer 3.30ish pm).
What now for the dispute? Any clairvoyants out there?
But the resovle of the strikers was not 100%.
The reason I say this is because the picket lines were not manned over the full day of operations ie 6am to 11pm. I should not be surprised as (going by some posts and DH's updated news) this was all a jolly day out at the airport. If you are really serious about your dispute, surely you would have picket coverage for the whole day and not just 8ish am to 4ish pm (nearer 3.30ish pm).
What now for the dispute? Any clairvoyants out there?
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What no Arthur Scargill, Derek Hatton? Of course, it is'nt politically motivated is it ?
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I may have missed it, but what are the tax implications for strikers if Unite is giving them £30/£45 a day and also making available interest free loans?
Surely HMR&C will want their slice, especially of unearned income, will they not also treat an interest free loan as a "benefit in kind"?
I am no tax expert, but I'm sure somebody out there is!
Surely HMR&C will want their slice, especially of unearned income, will they not also treat an interest free loan as a "benefit in kind"?
I am no tax expert, but I'm sure somebody out there is!
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an observation ...
Has anyone noticed how quiet the top management at BA have been over the past few weeks, no talking of number of cabin crew working etc etc, just saying the business has enough cabin crew for the planned schedule.
Long-serving CSD's I have spoken too (and there have been lots working through the strikes), that 'know senior people' have said no one knows what is going to happen apart from board level ...
I think June 12th/14th time could be a very interesting time, now that everyone has had to show their colours - whether they are striking or now .... I think WW wanted to know who these people are for a reason
My prediction is new fleet will be running with 2000+ cabin crew operating all the top allowance routes by the end of 2010
Long-serving CSD's I have spoken too (and there have been lots working through the strikes), that 'know senior people' have said no one knows what is going to happen apart from board level ...
I think June 12th/14th time could be a very interesting time, now that everyone has had to show their colours - whether they are striking or now .... I think WW wanted to know who these people are for a reason
My prediction is new fleet will be running with 2000+ cabin crew operating all the top allowance routes by the end of 2010
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Strike pay
It's my understanding that in countries such as the UK and Canada strike pay and unemployment pay from trade unions are not regarded as income and therefore not taxable. However, in the US tax is usually paid.
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BengermanI may have missed it, but what are the tax implications for strikers if Unite is giving them £30/£45 a day and also making available interest free loans?
Surely HMR&C will want their slice, especially of unearned income, will they not also treat an interest free loan as a "benefit in kind"?
I am no tax expert, but I'm sure somebody out there is!
Surely HMR&C will want their slice, especially of unearned income, will they not also treat an interest free loan as a "benefit in kind"?
I am no tax expert, but I'm sure somebody out there is!
It was being discussed by some very fed up crew on my flight this morning about the tax implications of strike pay. The girl on my flight said 'her friend' had called HMRC reference the taxation situation on strike pay, don't know if she actually did though.
Another thing that came up today was that many people are waiting till the strike is over to leave BASSA as the people who went on strike, but came back into work think staying in the union will better protect them, if there is any kind of fallout from the strike.
Also had the pleasure of flying with tiramisu the other day, so hi there if you are reading this! Nice to fly with likeminded people.
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Duncan Holley wrote:
Duncan you're costing BA money, you're costing our passengers disruption and your costing your colleagues lost income. And what for? 22 days of running commentary on your dietary habits. You are a laughing stock Holley. Give up, go home.
This is an interesting short feature on how others in the aviation world are evolving. Sometimes it is good to look outside the BA bubble and realise that our customers have choice: Aviation in the Gulf: Rulers of the new silk road | The Economist
These are my views, not those of someone else or organisation.
Mr. Walsh hasn’t won, but in truth neither have we
This is an interesting short feature on how others in the aviation world are evolving. Sometimes it is good to look outside the BA bubble and realise that our customers have choice: Aviation in the Gulf: Rulers of the new silk road | The Economist
These are my views, not those of someone else or organisation.
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Also had the pleasure of flying with tiramisu the other day, so hi there if you are reading this! Nice to fly with likeminded people.
Likewise, and the pleasure was mine.
I was on a very early standby today with six CSDs and several Pursers, None of us got used, except for one Purser as everyone turned up for their trips. I also met a few crew who had been on strike and decided they'd had enough of BASSA and also needed their pennies. If another ballot goes ahead, I'm not convinced that they'll get the support. Crew may get loans to pay mortgages etc, but at some stage many will have had enough.
Vertigowerty, nice to meet you finally.
