British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Just spoken to a colleague... she brought back a flight the day after the "breather day". She left LHR on a strike day. When they boarded the aircraft for the return sector, they were all shocked to find that all tea and coffee bags had been torn, sugar sachets torn and emptied, eye wash removed, liquor bars were virtually empty (including back-ups) and threatening notes hidden in the jumpseats.
I would well believe this.
Similar things on the flight that I operated back on.
We had the bonus of playing Challenge Anneka around the aircraft to remove the Stickers adorned in every toilet/mirror/bulkhead with the phrase "Brutish Airways"
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I would well believe this.
Similar things on the flight that I operated back on.
We had the bonus of playing Challenge Anneka around the aircraft to remove the Stickers adorned in every toilet/mirror/bulkhead with the phrase "Brutish Airways"
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I am absolutely horrified that crew who are in a position of looking after passengers safety would do these childish and idiotic things. If anyone has kept the threatening notes or any evidence then I strongly suggest its taken to management. They know who the crew were for these flights and why should they get away with it.
As far as I am concerned they have sabotaged the property of BA and this is a sacking offence - however I suppose thats just adding salt to the mill but its unbelievable that this is going on and they are getting away with it.
They need to be reported before they take it even further - they are obviously crazy and who knows what will be next.
They should never ever be allowed to fly again.
As far as I am concerned they have sabotaged the property of BA and this is a sacking offence - however I suppose thats just adding salt to the mill but its unbelievable that this is going on and they are getting away with it.
They need to be reported before they take it even further - they are obviously crazy and who knows what will be next.
They should never ever be allowed to fly again.
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Does anyone know why these strikers refer to BA as 'Brutish Airways',and, more to the point, why they accuse WW of being a bully?
What has he done, other than suspend/dismiss those that have been through the disciplinary process, which, if I'm not mistaken is backed by the union?
Or is he a 'bully' simply for standing up to BASSA?
What has he done, other than suspend/dismiss those that have been through the disciplinary process, which, if I'm not mistaken is backed by the union?
Or is he a 'bully' simply for standing up to BASSA?
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Financial Times
Recommended reading:
Why Unite is (not very) appealing to BA shareholders – Telegraph Blogs
It will all be over soon.
Why Unite is (not very) appealing to BA shareholders – Telegraph Blogs
It will all be over soon.
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Was given a half page spread from Unite saying Brutish Airwaysin the FT this morning from a customer who could not believe it was there.. It was cringing to read and the thing I could not get over was the bit written next to the picture of the 'grumpy' model crew member which read ' posed by model because of the fear of bullying ' !!!!
What about the Unite/Bassa bullying of non unionised and non striking crews ??? What about the cars damaged by these people just because they don't agree that crew have the right to come to work .. Total double standards .... no wonder the public are not behind these strikes ..
What about the Unite/Bassa bullying of non unionised and non striking crews ??? What about the cars damaged by these people just because they don't agree that crew have the right to come to work .. Total double standards .... no wonder the public are not behind these strikes ..
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I have to tell you about an experience last week.
I operated a flight from LHR on a non-striking day. We were 14 crew in total and after a couple of hours into the flight the strikers had found out who had been on strike or not. 4 of the crew were XXXX. We arrived downroute and 3 of them walked together in a small group. The 4th walked with the rest of us and didn't seem to mind that we had been working during the strike.
We agreed that we would be meeting for breakfast and then head off to an amusement park as it was a long layover. 10 of us, including the 4th XXXX, and all of the pilots turned up for breakfast. The 3 XXXX came and sat at a different table. We asked them if they wanted to join us as 'the more the better' but one of the girls said they didn't want to and then turned around. When we left to head off, they really gave us the evil eyes and I don't even want to think about what they were saying behind our backs. Next day, another guy and I met two of them at the front desk at the hotel. They pretended they didn't see us and didn't bother to greet even though that we said hello to them.
When it was time for pick-up, the three of them sat together. They did not talk to us more than necessarily, not even in-flight. When we had arrived back to LHR, they disappeared quickly without saying good bye.
I still think it was a really good trip as the rest of us, including the pilots, had a really good time!
My point is, I don't think it will be the strikebrakers who are going to be lonely downroute as the strikers like to insinuate. It will actually be the strikers who are going to be lonely unless they allow themselves to socialise with the strikebreakers!
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I operated a flight from LHR on a non-striking day. We were 14 crew in total and after a couple of hours into the flight the strikers had found out who had been on strike or not. 4 of the crew were XXXX. We arrived downroute and 3 of them walked together in a small group. The 4th walked with the rest of us and didn't seem to mind that we had been working during the strike.
We agreed that we would be meeting for breakfast and then head off to an amusement park as it was a long layover. 10 of us, including the 4th XXXX, and all of the pilots turned up for breakfast. The 3 XXXX came and sat at a different table. We asked them if they wanted to join us as 'the more the better' but one of the girls said they didn't want to and then turned around. When we left to head off, they really gave us the evil eyes and I don't even want to think about what they were saying behind our backs. Next day, another guy and I met two of them at the front desk at the hotel. They pretended they didn't see us and didn't bother to greet even though that we said hello to them.
When it was time for pick-up, the three of them sat together. They did not talk to us more than necessarily, not even in-flight. When we had arrived back to LHR, they disappeared quickly without saying good bye.
I still think it was a really good trip as the rest of us, including the pilots, had a really good time!
My point is, I don't think it will be the strikebrakers who are going to be lonely downroute as the strikers like to insinuate. It will actually be the strikers who are going to be lonely unless they allow themselves to socialise with the strikebreakers!
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Or is he a 'bully' simply for standing up to BASSA?
UK law is designed to protect the individual and his/her right to make an independent decision in regard to their labour: quashing the ideas of others is childish at best and dangerously totalitarian at worst.
Unfortunately, I doubt someone such as DH would be able to identify his/her behaviour as such. An Orwellian nightmare for many crew it seems.
Pity.
If his retorts to those crew who operated during the strike were based in overwhelming facts, he would at least gain a modicum of respect, rather than ridicule that he faces in any intelligent quarter, such as PPRuNe.
Labelling of those crew as "misguided" without countering with facts and figures is shameful rhetoric, and has no place in modern industrial relations. Unite will clearly have to learn the hard way that ideas and thought cannot be formed by decree from above, but are fertile and alive at the grassroots level.
One hopes that his "guerilla" tactics instead lead to Unite's complete ban, prosecution and removal from representation either at BA or elsewhere. At least then those who want representation can start with a fresh sheet of sorts.
PS - anyone seen the Liverpool docker McCluskey recently? Has Simpson shot him around the back of the shed?
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The oxygen bottles left running in the bunk area so that they were left empty for the next crew, or the posting about Nigeria being a toilet.
How dare you compare a second hand hearsay comment with the criminal interference with vital safety equipment on board a passenger jet?
No sense of perspective whatsoever.
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DH's ramblings are symbolic of this strike: futile, puerile, infantile, and completely devoid of any useful information.
If I was on strike, I would want to know:
A. What we have achieved so far.
B. Any further advances we hope to make.
C. Any talks being conducted (there aren't apparently)?
D. Why no talks are being conducted.
E. Why Tony Woodley jets off on holiday while I'm struggling to pay my monthly bills.
F. How it is going to end?
G. If any court action is being taken about the ST issue (after all Unite claim it is illegal). If not, why not?
H. Why are you organising hardship loans, instead of getting me back to work?
I. How is a hardship loan going to help me? It is seemingly not interest free, so how will I pay it, and the interest back, especially if more strikes are planned?
And most importantly: when we go back to work in a few days time; what will have been achieved?
80% of longhaul flights and 60% of shorthaul flights operating must surely ring alarm bells?
If not, then we really have to ask: exactly what is being put in those delicious cakes?
If I was on strike, I would want to know:
A. What we have achieved so far.
B. Any further advances we hope to make.
C. Any talks being conducted (there aren't apparently)?
D. Why no talks are being conducted.
E. Why Tony Woodley jets off on holiday while I'm struggling to pay my monthly bills.
F. How it is going to end?
G. If any court action is being taken about the ST issue (after all Unite claim it is illegal). If not, why not?
H. Why are you organising hardship loans, instead of getting me back to work?
I. How is a hardship loan going to help me? It is seemingly not interest free, so how will I pay it, and the interest back, especially if more strikes are planned?
And most importantly: when we go back to work in a few days time; what will have been achieved?
80% of longhaul flights and 60% of shorthaul flights operating must surely ring alarm bells?
If not, then we really have to ask: exactly what is being put in those delicious cakes?
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No, no, wait! Here's todays installment, maybe it'll answer all your questions?
Well, as long as your questions were about what Duncan had for lunch.
DAY 20 - DUNCAN’S REPORT BACK
Jun 7th, 2010 by admin
Anxious to avoid the Bedfont burger blues, I got talked into having lunch at the pub across the road today at the Duke of Wellington where the “chicken tikka” wraps came especially recommended by Chris Harrison. Thinking that was a much healthier option than a greasy burger I went for it but was completely undermined in my healthy intentions when it arrived with the biggest pile of chips I have ever seen. Normally I can resist chips but when they are plonked under my nose my resolve breaks and today was no exception. So I ended up eating three times as much as I would have had I stuck to the burger van. I am now in total disgust with myself.
Bedfont was Bedfont - same old faces but again some new ones to freshen the scenery. Before I forget, some pickets asked me to mention the returning PHL crew (who left on Friday) who stopped off to drop off doughnuts etc - much appreciated and proves the spirit is still out there.
Some of the reps went to meet Derek Simpson today to finalise the letter to BA giving notification of a further intention to ballot along with the reasons. The meeting went well and we are expecting an announcement from Len McLuskey at Bedfont on Wednesday around 1 with fuller details.
I think we have all grown weary of BA claims about how they are successfully operating an almost 100% service, blah blah blah and you are probably equally fed up with Union counter claim but below I reproduce a Unite statement issued to the media this morning -
“Day 20 of the strike, which has alone cost BA £140m.
Unite estimates that, despite BA’s vastly expensive and divisive contingency operation, yet again over 40% of BA’s operation has been hit by the strike. Flights to important destinations in the BA schedule, including JFK and San Francisco, continue to fly but with passenger numbers severely down and some flights half empty.
Unite has also been advised that so empty are BA’s planes, they are now looking for volunteer passengers. This is because, as BA continues to seek volunteer crew to break the strike, it is now encountering applicants with no flight experience at all. Volunteers need to have flown in order to become crew, which is why BA are asking them to fly as passengers.
Some flights take off with strange routes - one weekend flight took off from Gatwick, landed at Heathrow, took off again for Edinburgh and eventually landed in Cardiff. As this is not a BA scheduled route, this can only have been an empty plane or a plane carrying novice crew on their inaugural flight.”
STATEMENT ENDS
So despite what BA claim, things are far from rosy. I know for a fact that the 2 BA planes into Calgary last week had nothing but cargo on board and that scenario is being repeated all around the world. Finally
Louise wrote to Billy Bragg to thank him for pitching up at Bedfont on Saturday and got this reply for those interested -
Louise,
Thanks for your kind words. I have had several emails of thanks from your colleagues - even from some who were off on duty elsewhere. I had a great time at Bedfont and found the whole thing really inspiring. I’m so glad I was able to come along and show my support.
Hope to see you at Tolpuddle
all the best,
Billy
I think Billy’s words just about concludes today’s report back - I am due at Watford at an employment tribunal, which is scheduled to go on all day so chances are I won’t make Bedfont tomorrow - I will get someone else to do a report back in preparation for the big send off on Wednesday. Those of you asking about my case - I have my first appeal with the company on Thursday. Looking forward to a day off on Friday when I can reacquaint myself with my tomatoes and perhaps think about starting a diet. I did only say “think” mind you.
Cheers all and good luck tomorrow all those going to the House of Commons to lobby the MPs.
Rgds Duncan
Jun 7th, 2010 by admin
Anxious to avoid the Bedfont burger blues, I got talked into having lunch at the pub across the road today at the Duke of Wellington where the “chicken tikka” wraps came especially recommended by Chris Harrison. Thinking that was a much healthier option than a greasy burger I went for it but was completely undermined in my healthy intentions when it arrived with the biggest pile of chips I have ever seen. Normally I can resist chips but when they are plonked under my nose my resolve breaks and today was no exception. So I ended up eating three times as much as I would have had I stuck to the burger van. I am now in total disgust with myself.
Bedfont was Bedfont - same old faces but again some new ones to freshen the scenery. Before I forget, some pickets asked me to mention the returning PHL crew (who left on Friday) who stopped off to drop off doughnuts etc - much appreciated and proves the spirit is still out there.
Some of the reps went to meet Derek Simpson today to finalise the letter to BA giving notification of a further intention to ballot along with the reasons. The meeting went well and we are expecting an announcement from Len McLuskey at Bedfont on Wednesday around 1 with fuller details.
I think we have all grown weary of BA claims about how they are successfully operating an almost 100% service, blah blah blah and you are probably equally fed up with Union counter claim but below I reproduce a Unite statement issued to the media this morning -
“Day 20 of the strike, which has alone cost BA £140m.
Unite estimates that, despite BA’s vastly expensive and divisive contingency operation, yet again over 40% of BA’s operation has been hit by the strike. Flights to important destinations in the BA schedule, including JFK and San Francisco, continue to fly but with passenger numbers severely down and some flights half empty.
Unite has also been advised that so empty are BA’s planes, they are now looking for volunteer passengers. This is because, as BA continues to seek volunteer crew to break the strike, it is now encountering applicants with no flight experience at all. Volunteers need to have flown in order to become crew, which is why BA are asking them to fly as passengers.
Some flights take off with strange routes - one weekend flight took off from Gatwick, landed at Heathrow, took off again for Edinburgh and eventually landed in Cardiff. As this is not a BA scheduled route, this can only have been an empty plane or a plane carrying novice crew on their inaugural flight.”
STATEMENT ENDS
So despite what BA claim, things are far from rosy. I know for a fact that the 2 BA planes into Calgary last week had nothing but cargo on board and that scenario is being repeated all around the world. Finally
Louise wrote to Billy Bragg to thank him for pitching up at Bedfont on Saturday and got this reply for those interested -
Louise,
Thanks for your kind words. I have had several emails of thanks from your colleagues - even from some who were off on duty elsewhere. I had a great time at Bedfont and found the whole thing really inspiring. I’m so glad I was able to come along and show my support.
Hope to see you at Tolpuddle
all the best,
Billy
I think Billy’s words just about concludes today’s report back - I am due at Watford at an employment tribunal, which is scheduled to go on all day so chances are I won’t make Bedfont tomorrow - I will get someone else to do a report back in preparation for the big send off on Wednesday. Those of you asking about my case - I have my first appeal with the company on Thursday. Looking forward to a day off on Friday when I can reacquaint myself with my tomatoes and perhaps think about starting a diet. I did only say “think” mind you.
Cheers all and good luck tomorrow all those going to the House of Commons to lobby the MPs.
Rgds Duncan
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DH Rambled ...
Unite has also been advised that so empty are BA’s planes, they are now looking for volunteer passengers. This is because, as BA continues to seek volunteer crew to break the strike, it is now encountering applicants with no flight experience at all. Volunteers need to have flown in order to become crew, which is why BA are asking them to fly as passengers.
Wrong in so many ways! The VCC need 'practice' passengers on a flight before they can be signed off - this is to ensure they are safe and competent and is, I believe, a CAA requirement. The passengers on these flights are volunteers from the Backing BA list (not VCC) who are subjected to safety demos, food and drink on the flight. The VCC also get in-flight training on safety measures - more relevant than in a classroom. At least they got the route right; I would guess that cost comes into it - Cardiff is probably quite cheap to land at, and the maintenance base does a great lunch and tour. Very interesting and pleasant it all is too!
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Unite has also been advised that so empty are BA’s planes, they are now looking for volunteer passengers. This is because, as BA continues to seek volunteer crew to break the strike, it is now encountering applicants with no flight experience at all. Volunteers need to have flown in order to become crew, which is why BA are asking them to fly as passengers.
Wrong in so many ways! The VCC need 'practice' passengers on a flight before they can be signed off - this is to ensure they are safe and competent and is, I believe, a CAA requirement. The passengers on these flights are volunteers from the Backing BA list (not VCC) who are subjected to safety demos, food and drink on the flight. The VCC also get in-flight training on safety measures - more relevant than in a classroom. At least they got the route right; I would guess that cost comes into it - Cardiff is probably quite cheap to land at, and the maintenance base does a great lunch and tour. Very interesting and pleasant it all is too!
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Unite has also been advised that so empty are BA’s planes, they are now looking for volunteer passengers. This is because, as BA continues to seek volunteer crew to break the strike, it is now encountering applicants with no flight experience at all. Volunteers need to have flown in order to become crew, which is why BA are asking them to fly as passengers.
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Just spoken to a colleague... she brought back a flight the day after the "breather day". She left LHR on a strike day. When they boarded the aircraft for the return sector, they were all shocked to find that all tea and coffee bags had been torn, sugar sachets torn and emptied, eye wash removed, liquor bars were virtually empty (including back-ups) and threatening notes hidden in the jumpseats.
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Apologies - no PCCC update today because we have better things to do than tell the world what we had for lunch.
However...I have had my Miss Marple hat on and find this very interesting:
According to DH's ramblings, Billy Bragg was at Bedfont on Saturday 5th June, the first day of this the last block of strike action.
So, if people had seen him on Saturday at Bedfont and were now "off on duty elsewhere"....they are non-strikers. Simples.
Ooops.
However...I have had my Miss Marple hat on and find this very interesting:
According to DH's ramblings, Billy Bragg was at Bedfont on Saturday 5th June, the first day of this the last block of strike action.
Louise wrote to Billy Bragg to thank him for pitching up at Bedfont on Saturday and got this reply for those interested -
Louise,
Thanks for your kind words. I have had several emails of thanks from your colleagues - even from some who were off on duty elsewhere. I had a great time at Bedfont and found the whole thing really inspiring. I’m so glad I was able to come along and show my support.
Louise,
Thanks for your kind words. I have had several emails of thanks from your colleagues - even from some who were off on duty elsewhere. I had a great time at Bedfont and found the whole thing really inspiring. I’m so glad I was able to come along and show my support.
Ooops.
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Walsh throws down gauntlet to strikers
Duncan Holley said (thanks to Hotel Mode):
Actually, Duncan, Willie Walsh is at the IATA Conference. A little ominously for strikers, he didn't rule out sacking them.
FT.com / UK / Business - Walsh throws down gauntlet to strikers
British Airways chief executive Willie Walsh threw down the gauntlet to striking cabin crew staff on Monday, saying he would hold out against industrial action “for as long as it takes”.
In a sign of BA’s determination to break the Unite union’s stranglehold on the loss-making airline, Mr Walsh told a group of airline industry leaders: “I don’t think we’ve been brave enough in the past to stand up and say ‘No’.”
His comments came as flight attendants staged a third round of five-day strikes. Their action is due to end on Wednesday but the union may ballot cabin crew on further action if no agreement is reached in the dispute.
Speaking at the annual meeting of the International Air Transport Association in Berlin, Mr Walsh said he would not give in. “We’re absolutely determined at BA we are not going to do that this time. We’re going to hold out for as long as it takes and we will continue to build up the amount of flying we’re doing.”
Mr Walsh has deployed an arsenal of weapons since the strikes began in February, including hiring extra aircraft and crew, training volunteer attendants and taking legal action to block the strikes.
But the chief executive implied he might go further. Asked if he could imagine a situation where BA would start sacking striking workers, he said: “Let’s see what happens.”
He continued: “I think the contingency plans we’ve developed have worked very, very well and we continue to build on those. We’re building on the existing plans that we have.”
The union claims an agreement in principle has been reached over the cost-cutting proposals that sparked the dispute, but says the removal of employees’ travel concessions and BA’s refusal to reinstate sacked and suspended workers is blocking a deal.
Mr Walsh disputed this claim. “Travel is not the issue at the heart of this. I made it absolutely clear before the cabin crew even balloted for industrial action that travel concessions, which are non-contractual benefits, are clearly something of value to people in the business and something that is given to reward loyalty and service and dedication of the people in BA.”
Responding to the Mr Walsh’s determination to hold out for as long as it takes, Unite said: “Threats like this suggest BA’s management is getting even more macho. How on earth is this going to deliver a solution to this dispute?”
It said the City would “soon begin to worry about a CEO waging an uncontrolled war without end against his own workforce.”
BA has flown 80 per cent of its long-haul services from Heathrow during the strikes but Mr Walsh said this would rise to 100 per cent if the union took further industrial action.
Willie Walsh is in Berlin until Tuesday afternoon allegedly at a IATA conference but in my opinion he is more likely to be looking at ways to rebuild the Berlin Wall.
FT.com / UK / Business - Walsh throws down gauntlet to strikers
British Airways chief executive Willie Walsh threw down the gauntlet to striking cabin crew staff on Monday, saying he would hold out against industrial action “for as long as it takes”.
In a sign of BA’s determination to break the Unite union’s stranglehold on the loss-making airline, Mr Walsh told a group of airline industry leaders: “I don’t think we’ve been brave enough in the past to stand up and say ‘No’.”
His comments came as flight attendants staged a third round of five-day strikes. Their action is due to end on Wednesday but the union may ballot cabin crew on further action if no agreement is reached in the dispute.
Speaking at the annual meeting of the International Air Transport Association in Berlin, Mr Walsh said he would not give in. “We’re absolutely determined at BA we are not going to do that this time. We’re going to hold out for as long as it takes and we will continue to build up the amount of flying we’re doing.”
Mr Walsh has deployed an arsenal of weapons since the strikes began in February, including hiring extra aircraft and crew, training volunteer attendants and taking legal action to block the strikes.
But the chief executive implied he might go further. Asked if he could imagine a situation where BA would start sacking striking workers, he said: “Let’s see what happens.”
He continued: “I think the contingency plans we’ve developed have worked very, very well and we continue to build on those. We’re building on the existing plans that we have.”
The union claims an agreement in principle has been reached over the cost-cutting proposals that sparked the dispute, but says the removal of employees’ travel concessions and BA’s refusal to reinstate sacked and suspended workers is blocking a deal.
Mr Walsh disputed this claim. “Travel is not the issue at the heart of this. I made it absolutely clear before the cabin crew even balloted for industrial action that travel concessions, which are non-contractual benefits, are clearly something of value to people in the business and something that is given to reward loyalty and service and dedication of the people in BA.”
Responding to the Mr Walsh’s determination to hold out for as long as it takes, Unite said: “Threats like this suggest BA’s management is getting even more macho. How on earth is this going to deliver a solution to this dispute?”
It said the City would “soon begin to worry about a CEO waging an uncontrolled war without end against his own workforce.”
BA has flown 80 per cent of its long-haul services from Heathrow during the strikes but Mr Walsh said this would rise to 100 per cent if the union took further industrial action.
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As pressing as the need may be to resolve this, I don't think the company will dismiss any strikers who have participated in industrial action under the current ballot.
However, if there is a ballot for further industrial action, I expect some shots across the bows from BA as to whether CC have protection from unfair dismissal. If the company has given clear written warnings that they don't think that clock has been reset on the 12 week protection period, then they may feel justified in dismissing strikers (with all the adverse PR that will involve) on the basis they have an albeit untested argument for doing so.
However, if there is a ballot for further industrial action, I expect some shots across the bows from BA as to whether CC have protection from unfair dismissal. If the company has given clear written warnings that they don't think that clock has been reset on the 12 week protection period, then they may feel justified in dismissing strikers (with all the adverse PR that will involve) on the basis they have an albeit untested argument for doing so.
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DH - Day 20 rant
I think most of us have realised for sometime that DH's daily posts regarding the BFC room party are a work of fiction. But it seems as this drags on DH is getting sloppy, today he quotes:
"Before I forget, some pickets asked me to mention the returning PHL crew (who left on Friday) who stopped off to drop off doughnuts etc - much appreciated and proves the spirit is still out there."
I thought PHL was a 3 day trip, which means the thoughtful crew would have left on Saturday - a strike day?
"Before I forget, some pickets asked me to mention the returning PHL crew (who left on Friday) who stopped off to drop off doughnuts etc - much appreciated and proves the spirit is still out there."
I thought PHL was a 3 day trip, which means the thoughtful crew would have left on Saturday - a strike day?