British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I received this yesterday.
No idea who this person is, (I've removed their name from the bottom), but it's the sort of propoganda which is being disseminated by BASSA and which is now doing the rounds of crew inboxes.
As ever, full of generalisations and inaccuracies, with no specifics regarding what they actually hoped to achieve by striking and the now constant claim that loss of ST is of no significance.
Galley FM at full volume.
"Hello, let me introduce myself, I am a forty-two year old mother who has been employed by British Airways for fifteen years. I have read a lot in the media over the last year about how spoilt and overpaid BA cabin crew are, similar comments even come from my own family who have read these reports and got sucked in and believed all the simple rhetoric. I had kept quiet, silenced by fear of my bulling management but now I want to exercise my right to reply - this is my voice.
Let us start with my salary - £28,000, not bad I hear you say. I agree. A little more than the national average and that’s what I think I am worth. About average, no better and no worse. I am at the top of my pay scale and will receive no more increments. When I joined BA my starting salary was £9,000. During my time at BA I have received increments for my loyalty and experience. No different from other employees who work for BT, Police Force Personal Secretaries and Journalists to name just a few. However our argument with BA has never been about money. It is about protecting our working patterns, the product we deliver onboard and the brand that means British Airways to our passengers. We would all agree to a pay cut if it protected the things that are important to us and important to you.
Like anyone else our working conditions are governed by law and in some instances we receive better terms than required by law. An example of this would be if we worked away for six days - the law would entitle us to two days off but we get three. Do you think this is deserved? Why not? Do you work to law? Did you know that you are only entitled to 20 minutes break during your eight-hour day at work? Is this all you get? No, you wouldn’t think much of an employer if they didn’t give you a one-hour lunch break. I don’t suppose many would want to work for a company like that. Good for you. I am glad that your employer respects your needs and gives you more than the law requires. No employer should work to the law. That is just there to protect you.
Now perks, we have all read about those, lovely delightful staff travel for instance. Hardly anyone I know uses it anymore. It is a standby ticket. We only get on if seats are available. I learnt the hard way and once spent five nights in Singapore sleeping at the airport trying to get home. Do you get any perks in your job? Maybe private health insurance or gym membership, corporate discounts, a company car, free lunch or cheaper shopping? Sorry if you are one of the ones that don’t but most people I know do, apart from government/council employees. I know Sky TV engineers get all the latest gizmos. Our business is flights and British Airways makes money from us using this service.
Now onto the subject of hotels: we work abroad and have to be provided with accommodation from our employer. Yes some of these hotels are luxurious and expensive but did you also know that in some places we don’t stay in the same hotels as our pilots. Why? Because in the past, crew have been held at gunpoint and robbed so it is deemed unsafe for pilots but we still stay there. Funny that. It’s a cost thing. Their hotel is far too expensive for us. We don’t complain and we’re not bitter. We know they are more respected than us. That’s the BA way. We also don’t mind that they earn two three or four times our salary. We appreciate what they do and their salary is none of my business. Some people do the same job, a chief for example. One who works in Mcdonalds won't earn the same as Wagamama.
Unfortunately our employer has decided that as a community we are over paid, underworked, spoilt and worthless and it’s everybody’s business. It’s us this time but who’s next? How do I feel being sold out to the media as a scapegoat for Willie Walsh? I feel very sad because British Airways is my life and gave me a career I loved and cherished. I considered myself an ambassador and champion for the company. Loyal and fiercely protective of it, like a mother with a child. BA was something to be proud of, it was the best. You the customer told us you wanted to feel safe. We had the best safety training that went over and above the legal requirements and were proud with this knowledge. Our product was second to none. We represented quality and luxury, is it not our corporate goal to be a premium airline? The BA way was listening to our customers and making you feel safe, secure and valued.
We were the ones who held your hand when you were nervous, rocked your baby to sleep when she was crying, performed CPR on your husband after his heart attack, bandaged and comforted your mum when she took a nasty tumble down the stairs, delivered your sister’s baby, got you that extra G&T, we even gave you a lift to Gatwick when you missed your connecting flight. We have always been there for you and I always will. We want to listen to your fears and reassure you, make you feel valued and treated like the individual you are. Why, because we are the kind of people that get pleasure from helping others, it’s our very nature that we care. Heroes? No but not the villains either. We don’t like saying no. We aim to please and we fly to serve.
A few years ago we had a fantastic product and a brilliant service. We had a sense of pride, we were a family and were the best. The best check-in, catering, schedulers and engineers. We had the best people to do their jobs and we respected each other. Someone decided to make us enemies and now stands by watching us squabble with glee. They have achieved their goal. Now we are a workforce divided in all aspects. A company destroyed by egos.
To those of you who work in the offices, engineers and ground staff, I am sure you have enjoyed backing BA by becoming temporary cabin crew. You got away from your desk for a couple of weeks and it must have been quite the jolly. (I do wonder who was doing your worthy job in the process, you may find yourself surplus to requirements soon.) You had a brief encounter with life as a cabin crew member. But can I ask, did you miss the birth of your child, their first Christmas or birthday, your best friends wedding, the passing of a loved one. No? We have, it’s the reality of the job we do.
Those of you in management who have congratulated yourselves in the success of your strike busting tactics, are you really proud of your achievements? You have lowered the standards of this airline to something never seen before at British Airways. Yes your ‘scabin’ crew have received training but only to the standards expected by law. Yes you are crewing aircraft and they are carrying passengers, but again, only to levels required by law. Just like all those other airlines with terrible reputations that train their staff to these standards. You compare our salaries to the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair and it looks like you have created an airline comparable with that too. Is this what you want? Is this what our customer wants? We should be comparing ourselves with best in the industry, Cathy, Singapore, Emirates. Be careful what you want our airline to be. Yes we need cuts, but really, is this the way forward?
Pilots, those of you who wore our uniforms and did not support us despite earning double and triple and more than those you were replacing, shame on you. For the damage of trust between us now lays tattered and broken. To protect your own salaries and egos you turned on those who have served and supported you throughout the years.
Those crew who were intimidated by the company to going to work because you felt you had too much to lose, I don’t blame you. You probably thought you were helping our customers, but actually what you have done is contribute to driving them away by accepting inferior working practices. We were proud of our training and safety record. Look at the new crew and their training. Yes they are legal, but really is it something to be proud of. Do you think our customers are happy with this level of training and experience. Is that why they choose to fly BA.
Regards, Cxxxx Cxxxxx "
No idea who this person is, (I've removed their name from the bottom), but it's the sort of propoganda which is being disseminated by BASSA and which is now doing the rounds of crew inboxes.
As ever, full of generalisations and inaccuracies, with no specifics regarding what they actually hoped to achieve by striking and the now constant claim that loss of ST is of no significance.
Galley FM at full volume.
"Hello, let me introduce myself, I am a forty-two year old mother who has been employed by British Airways for fifteen years. I have read a lot in the media over the last year about how spoilt and overpaid BA cabin crew are, similar comments even come from my own family who have read these reports and got sucked in and believed all the simple rhetoric. I had kept quiet, silenced by fear of my bulling management but now I want to exercise my right to reply - this is my voice.
Let us start with my salary - £28,000, not bad I hear you say. I agree. A little more than the national average and that’s what I think I am worth. About average, no better and no worse. I am at the top of my pay scale and will receive no more increments. When I joined BA my starting salary was £9,000. During my time at BA I have received increments for my loyalty and experience. No different from other employees who work for BT, Police Force Personal Secretaries and Journalists to name just a few. However our argument with BA has never been about money. It is about protecting our working patterns, the product we deliver onboard and the brand that means British Airways to our passengers. We would all agree to a pay cut if it protected the things that are important to us and important to you.
Like anyone else our working conditions are governed by law and in some instances we receive better terms than required by law. An example of this would be if we worked away for six days - the law would entitle us to two days off but we get three. Do you think this is deserved? Why not? Do you work to law? Did you know that you are only entitled to 20 minutes break during your eight-hour day at work? Is this all you get? No, you wouldn’t think much of an employer if they didn’t give you a one-hour lunch break. I don’t suppose many would want to work for a company like that. Good for you. I am glad that your employer respects your needs and gives you more than the law requires. No employer should work to the law. That is just there to protect you.
Now perks, we have all read about those, lovely delightful staff travel for instance. Hardly anyone I know uses it anymore. It is a standby ticket. We only get on if seats are available. I learnt the hard way and once spent five nights in Singapore sleeping at the airport trying to get home. Do you get any perks in your job? Maybe private health insurance or gym membership, corporate discounts, a company car, free lunch or cheaper shopping? Sorry if you are one of the ones that don’t but most people I know do, apart from government/council employees. I know Sky TV engineers get all the latest gizmos. Our business is flights and British Airways makes money from us using this service.
Now onto the subject of hotels: we work abroad and have to be provided with accommodation from our employer. Yes some of these hotels are luxurious and expensive but did you also know that in some places we don’t stay in the same hotels as our pilots. Why? Because in the past, crew have been held at gunpoint and robbed so it is deemed unsafe for pilots but we still stay there. Funny that. It’s a cost thing. Their hotel is far too expensive for us. We don’t complain and we’re not bitter. We know they are more respected than us. That’s the BA way. We also don’t mind that they earn two three or four times our salary. We appreciate what they do and their salary is none of my business. Some people do the same job, a chief for example. One who works in Mcdonalds won't earn the same as Wagamama.
Unfortunately our employer has decided that as a community we are over paid, underworked, spoilt and worthless and it’s everybody’s business. It’s us this time but who’s next? How do I feel being sold out to the media as a scapegoat for Willie Walsh? I feel very sad because British Airways is my life and gave me a career I loved and cherished. I considered myself an ambassador and champion for the company. Loyal and fiercely protective of it, like a mother with a child. BA was something to be proud of, it was the best. You the customer told us you wanted to feel safe. We had the best safety training that went over and above the legal requirements and were proud with this knowledge. Our product was second to none. We represented quality and luxury, is it not our corporate goal to be a premium airline? The BA way was listening to our customers and making you feel safe, secure and valued.
We were the ones who held your hand when you were nervous, rocked your baby to sleep when she was crying, performed CPR on your husband after his heart attack, bandaged and comforted your mum when she took a nasty tumble down the stairs, delivered your sister’s baby, got you that extra G&T, we even gave you a lift to Gatwick when you missed your connecting flight. We have always been there for you and I always will. We want to listen to your fears and reassure you, make you feel valued and treated like the individual you are. Why, because we are the kind of people that get pleasure from helping others, it’s our very nature that we care. Heroes? No but not the villains either. We don’t like saying no. We aim to please and we fly to serve.
A few years ago we had a fantastic product and a brilliant service. We had a sense of pride, we were a family and were the best. The best check-in, catering, schedulers and engineers. We had the best people to do their jobs and we respected each other. Someone decided to make us enemies and now stands by watching us squabble with glee. They have achieved their goal. Now we are a workforce divided in all aspects. A company destroyed by egos.
To those of you who work in the offices, engineers and ground staff, I am sure you have enjoyed backing BA by becoming temporary cabin crew. You got away from your desk for a couple of weeks and it must have been quite the jolly. (I do wonder who was doing your worthy job in the process, you may find yourself surplus to requirements soon.) You had a brief encounter with life as a cabin crew member. But can I ask, did you miss the birth of your child, their first Christmas or birthday, your best friends wedding, the passing of a loved one. No? We have, it’s the reality of the job we do.
Those of you in management who have congratulated yourselves in the success of your strike busting tactics, are you really proud of your achievements? You have lowered the standards of this airline to something never seen before at British Airways. Yes your ‘scabin’ crew have received training but only to the standards expected by law. Yes you are crewing aircraft and they are carrying passengers, but again, only to levels required by law. Just like all those other airlines with terrible reputations that train their staff to these standards. You compare our salaries to the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair and it looks like you have created an airline comparable with that too. Is this what you want? Is this what our customer wants? We should be comparing ourselves with best in the industry, Cathy, Singapore, Emirates. Be careful what you want our airline to be. Yes we need cuts, but really, is this the way forward?
Pilots, those of you who wore our uniforms and did not support us despite earning double and triple and more than those you were replacing, shame on you. For the damage of trust between us now lays tattered and broken. To protect your own salaries and egos you turned on those who have served and supported you throughout the years.
Those crew who were intimidated by the company to going to work because you felt you had too much to lose, I don’t blame you. You probably thought you were helping our customers, but actually what you have done is contribute to driving them away by accepting inferior working practices. We were proud of our training and safety record. Look at the new crew and their training. Yes they are legal, but really is it something to be proud of. Do you think our customers are happy with this level of training and experience. Is that why they choose to fly BA.
Regards, Cxxxx Cxxxxx "
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What an absolute total and utter load of tosh !
Pilot salaries are not the discussion issue here, I assume that you do not wake up one morning and decide to be in command of a 747 and it just happens on a whim, years of training,experience and dedication required.
Loads of occupations involve working away from home so no violins playing for that argument.
Work harder for the same money so that we all have jobs in 10/20 years.
Simple decsion.
Pilot salaries are not the discussion issue here, I assume that you do not wake up one morning and decide to be in command of a 747 and it just happens on a whim, years of training,experience and dedication required.
Loads of occupations involve working away from home so no violins playing for that argument.
Work harder for the same money so that we all have jobs in 10/20 years.
Simple decsion.
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I cannot question your comments on the changing the way you deal with labour relations. My comments were based on your view of declining union membership. The big industrial centres are no more, but to leave industrial relations in the hands of business would be very trusting indeed.
As an employee, you will always be a cost.
As an employee, you will always be a cost.
I think Clarified summed it up perfectly actually. Theres no place for socialist unionism in a capitalist world. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
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Regards email above in post 1363, very heart warming sob story 
but is there a point ?
Like I say, lovely to hear about a year in the life of BA cabin crew, but please don't try and play the 'we're hard done by' card. The majority of people able to form their own opinions and who fly regularly know what's what and are not all as gullible as your average union sucker
but is there a point ?Like I say, lovely to hear about a year in the life of BA cabin crew, but please don't try and play the 'we're hard done by' card. The majority of people able to form their own opinions and who fly regularly know what's what and are not all as gullible as your average union sucker
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More news doing the rounds...
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Cabin Crew could have been allocated some shares to sell in 3 years time, albeit not as generous as the above report, but broadly in line with the pilots allocation.
Strangely BASSA never told them about it in any communique official or otherwise.
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Strangely BASSA never told them about it in any communique official or otherwise.
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LHR Geezer. This is highly unlikely to have happened. Outbound crew arrive at the departure level and inbound crew are picked up on the arrivals level. Another one for rumour control.
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We were the ones who held your hand when you were nervous, rocked your baby to sleep when she was crying, performed CPR on your husband after his heart attack, bandaged and comforted your mum when she took a nasty tumble down the stairs, delivered your sister’s baby, got you that extra G&T, we even gave you a lift to Gatwick when you missed your connecting flight
I am the real willie walsh and youse is all fired
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Staff travel
Now perks, we have all read about those, lovely delightful staff travel for instance. Hardly anyone I know uses it anymore. It is a standby ticket. We only get on if seats are available. I learnt the hard way and once spent five nights in Singapore sleeping at the airport trying to get home.
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We were the ones who held your hand when you were nervous, rocked your baby to sleep when she was crying, performed CPR on your husband after his heart attack, bandaged and comforted your mum when she took a nasty tumble down the stairs, delivered your sister’s baby, got you that extra G&T, we even gave you a lift to Gatwick when you missed your connecting flight
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Correct litebulbs - but not socialist unionism. The UNITE leadership is steeped in Communism and all 'it' stands for. In a democracy, the system fails, as it becomes clear that the 'politburo' is living it large, while the workers suffer.
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What an absolute total and utter load of tosh !
Pilot salaries are not the discussion issue here, I assume that you do not wake up one morning and decide to be in command of a 747 and it just happens on a whim, years of training,experience and dedication required.
Loads of occupations involve working away from home so no violins playing for that argument.
Work harder for the same money so that we all have jobs in 10/20 years.
Simple decsion.
Pilot salaries are not the discussion issue here, I assume that you do not wake up one morning and decide to be in command of a 747 and it just happens on a whim, years of training,experience and dedication required.
Loads of occupations involve working away from home so no violins playing for that argument.
Work harder for the same money so that we all have jobs in 10/20 years.
Simple decsion.
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Really, living it large and a communist manifesto? How does the £100k salary compare to a BA line Captain with 25 years service to his/her organisation?
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Litebulbs, two years ago the dispute concerned Openskies and the potential loss of flightcrew jobs, not terms and conditions. At no point have cabin crew jobs been at risk but simply they have been asked to work a bit harder to keep everyone employed. If Bassa think that they are so special and do not need to do their bit to keep the company afloat then it is about time they pulled their heads out of the sand and joined the rest of us who have already made sacrifices for the benefit of the company as a whole unit.
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The days when communism equaled Starlinism have gone, China sets the standard for communism this century. Communism is now capitalism without democracy which seems to be exactly where ww and MOL stand.