British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Considering there is an Industrial Dispute going on, I don't see the problem.
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SCCM offloaded...
Wiggy, re your post about a sccm being removed from a flight...
Well, unfortunately I have witnessed a few CSD being very negative and unprofessional in the briefing room before - not to mention the language some use an I am not a prude!
It is good to hear they are not getting away with it just because they are sccm and they are an embarrassment to the majority of CSD who are dedicated and balanced.
Well, unfortunately I have witnessed a few CSD being very negative and unprofessional in the briefing room before - not to mention the language some use an I am not a prude!
It is good to hear they are not getting away with it just because they are sccm and they are an embarrassment to the majority of CSD who are dedicated and balanced.
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We do already. How do you think those briefing sheets multiply into enough for all of the crew? The long-haul CSDs are usually half an hour preparing their briefing, working out allowances, etc. The point is its unpaid and therefore technically voluntary - not that the work would get done without it.
At least now the upgrade era is a thing of the past, the number of begging letters to be read is greatly reduced! Theres five minutes to spend with the Captain straight away!
At least now the upgrade era is a thing of the past, the number of begging letters to be read is greatly reduced! Theres five minutes to spend with the Captain straight away!
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So here we go round 2 time to stand up and be counted don't be afraid of the management spin all that staff travel twaddle loss couldn't give a flying xxxx . Proud to stand up and be counted rather than pussy foot into work on a strike day. Bedfont is calling you know you want to.
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Timmy - was that really necessary....
Ottergirl - "We" so you must be a CSD but how do you feel about doing all of that unpaid work...photocopying,etc. Why cannot you be given these copies by the Ops desk, and all allowances etc are on the intranet for crew to look up themselves< and then turn up at minus 5 like most of the FC do.
Just seems like your making jobs for yourself.
Ottergirl - "We" so you must be a CSD but how do you feel about doing all of that unpaid work...photocopying,etc. Why cannot you be given these copies by the Ops desk, and all allowances etc are on the intranet for crew to look up themselves< and then turn up at minus 5 like most of the FC do.
Just seems like your making jobs for yourself.
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Curiously Watersidewonker I almost do. The biggest crew party in the world did sound really appealing but I don't think they'd let me in without a Union membership!
Juan - well, as the Daily Mail have said I am on 60K
I must be earning enough to spare a few extra minutes for BA! And I do hate to look stupid in the briefing room by having no idea what I'm talking about!
Juan - well, as the Daily Mail have said I am on 60K
I must be earning enough to spare a few extra minutes for BA! And I do hate to look stupid in the briefing room by having no idea what I'm talking about!
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Dear Blu Riband,
I think you are being a bit unfair by speaking on behalf of all BA pilots.
I think you are being a bit unfair by speaking on behalf of all BA pilots.
There are many people reading this still undecided as to if they will strike or not. Here lies an opportunity for you to put forward your beliefs and point of view as someone supporting the strike. Dont abuse it. We all want to understand both sides of the story, and how crew are influenced. Thats what this thread is for.
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Six
Controversial, moi?
I wish some of the pro-strike contributors on this thread would have the courage of their convictions and actually state their case. The thread is moderated well enough to prevent personal abuse for expressing an opinion. At the moment it it rather sad to see short and rather pointless sniping making no real point at all.
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The message is being lost in the fog of rhetoric folks.
Let us re-examine a few points, especially now w'wonkers back. In no particular order.
1. It has been proved, beyond reasonable doubt that BASSA are inept - the judge ruled so - imposition was an entirely reasonable and legal route to take, in the present economic environment.
2. Mr Walsh is a man of his word. Read your ESS mail. WYSIWYG. At no time has he mentioned a paycut for CC. Many other BA workers have taken a paycut.
3. Emotion? it cuts no ice with the people that matter and they are: the customer, the shareholder, the Board, Mr Walsh, the rest of BA employees that have not been hoodwinked - (the meek will inherit the earth IMHO).
4. UNITE are on an agenda that is very difficult to second guess. What is for sure, they can't possibly have BA CC interests in mind or else they would have distanced themselves from Lizanne Malone. They see her as a loose cannon creating havoc, but never mind, she's utlimately sacrificial. Up the Marxist cause, Len for secretary, comrades.
5. The passion of the 'BA backers' is being soaked up by the passengers. The passengers are the arbiters of good taste and judgement. The strikers should be well advised to remember that the erudition of the many will see through the shallow mentality of the few.
6. The new spirit of the One Team is the way forward. Not before time IMHO.
GF
Let us re-examine a few points, especially now w'wonkers back. In no particular order.
1. It has been proved, beyond reasonable doubt that BASSA are inept - the judge ruled so - imposition was an entirely reasonable and legal route to take, in the present economic environment.
2. Mr Walsh is a man of his word. Read your ESS mail. WYSIWYG. At no time has he mentioned a paycut for CC. Many other BA workers have taken a paycut.
3. Emotion? it cuts no ice with the people that matter and they are: the customer, the shareholder, the Board, Mr Walsh, the rest of BA employees that have not been hoodwinked - (the meek will inherit the earth IMHO).
4. UNITE are on an agenda that is very difficult to second guess. What is for sure, they can't possibly have BA CC interests in mind or else they would have distanced themselves from Lizanne Malone. They see her as a loose cannon creating havoc, but never mind, she's utlimately sacrificial. Up the Marxist cause, Len for secretary, comrades.
5. The passion of the 'BA backers' is being soaked up by the passengers. The passengers are the arbiters of good taste and judgement. The strikers should be well advised to remember that the erudition of the many will see through the shallow mentality of the few.
6. The new spirit of the One Team is the way forward. Not before time IMHO.
GF
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BA Stock Gains Show Investors Back ?Hardball? Stance (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
This may be of interest to all of us.
This may be of interest to all of us.
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The sad thing is that I don't think I've read one reason for striking on this thread. Sure, we've had a few union quotes but no actually explanation of why a strike is necessary
(1) Imposition?
(2) Crew taken off flights?
(3) New fleet?
Yes, those headlines have been stated, but no actual explanation of the reasoning behind it.
(1) Imposition?
(2) Crew taken off flights?
(3) New fleet?
Yes, those headlines have been stated, but no actual explanation of the reasoning behind it.
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Why am I scared to go to work? Well, I know for sure that I don't want to strike, because I voted no, but I also don't want to work because I am scared of having to work with these people in the future. I have heard them saying that they won't talk to scabs downroute in the bar or that we should be first onto new fleet because we are scabs. It is such a vile situation and it breaks my heart to think that I will be driving into work Sat and still not knowing if I should turn around and drive home from a job I love and want to do.
A close friend of mine is going through a tough time deciding whether to report next Saturday. She is opposed to the strike but feels under pressure from BASSA members. To date one of her oldest work friends has stated that she will never speak to her again if she works. She was also told on her last flight by two crew members that they would 'find out' if she worked. These two then went on to explain that she would have problems flying with strikers after that. She wants to work but is being bullied into striking.
That, bacabincrew, is why Captains will be quite right to take a zero tolerance approach to any harassment coming from (or 'to' for that matter) strikers in the future.
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Anyone scared of coming to work
I've said it before, if you don't back the strike or want to go to work but are scared, why not resign from BASSA ?
That way, you HAVE to go to work or you are illegally striking - you're 'friends' cannot argue with that. And it might actually help everyone get a resolution to this mess if people start sticking their two fingers up at the union that has represented them so badly.
That way, you HAVE to go to work or you are illegally striking - you're 'friends' cannot argue with that. And it might actually help everyone get a resolution to this mess if people start sticking their two fingers up at the union that has represented them so badly.
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arthurscargill: That is, frankly, a naive view. It would be obvious to your 'friends' that you simply resigned to avoid supporting the strike. Do you really think that those that have bullied/threatened you will simply then say 'oh thats ok then!'.
One point that may have been missed: BA are running VCC courses through April and May. That means that WW is in this for the long haul. He is happy for the strike to run on. Most crew are working. As time goes on more of the intial strikers will lose heart and this will feed itself and BA will have enough crew to run the normal operation on a continuous basis. The remaining strikers will then be totally isolated and marginalised. Effectively, the strike will peeter out in the long term. Those few still out after 90 days are another story....
One point that may have been missed: BA are running VCC courses through April and May. That means that WW is in this for the long haul. He is happy for the strike to run on. Most crew are working. As time goes on more of the intial strikers will lose heart and this will feed itself and BA will have enough crew to run the normal operation on a continuous basis. The remaining strikers will then be totally isolated and marginalised. Effectively, the strike will peeter out in the long term. Those few still out after 90 days are another story....
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..and in that single example, 320 driver, lies the malignancy that eats away at our magnificent company - and why this debacle IS about attrition to root out the cancer that eats from within - and why, fundamentally, the day job has to be managed as a 'ONE team', with the correct chain of command recognised - with crew empowered to reject misguided and malignant behaviour.
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Fuel Hedging
ViewFrom - BA won't have made money from hedging this weekend. If there was a theoretical profit, (i.e. hedge less than the pump price) it would be retained by BA. The point of hedging isn't to make a profit. It is to reduce risk due to volatility in the commodity price. In the long run you can't beat the market but you can smooth out the price changes. BA has strict rules about hedging - they stop speculation and this is important to stop someone thinking they can and end up doing "a Nick Leason".
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320:
I accept it will be a naive view. However, true friends will respect your decision. If your decision is to come to work (for whatever reason), then to resign from the union backs that up in my opinion. Sure, people will see through it but they will focus their atention on people who voted for the strike, are still in BASSA and have come to work.
I guess i'm just a little confused why anyone who wants to come to work would stick with BASSA after all this.
It comes back to the point of WW and BF needing to re-engage with the crew i suppose.
I accept it will be a naive view. However, true friends will respect your decision. If your decision is to come to work (for whatever reason), then to resign from the union backs that up in my opinion. Sure, people will see through it but they will focus their atention on people who voted for the strike, are still in BASSA and have come to work.
I guess i'm just a little confused why anyone who wants to come to work would stick with BASSA after all this.
It comes back to the point of WW and BF needing to re-engage with the crew i suppose.
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Harassment and bullying
320 driver wrote:
Let me say that I work closely with the team which sets the harassment and bullying policy and manages the harassment advisors, and I can assure everyone that H&B is taken seriously. Any cabin crew member who suffers should report this to an IFCE manager. Help can also be obtained from any of the harassment advisors, they are listed on this page.
https://planetba.baplc.com/general/a...s?OpenDocument
She was also told on her last flight by two crew members that they would 'find out' if she worked. These two then went on to explain that she would have problems flying with strikers after that. She wants to work but is being bullied into striking.
https://planetba.baplc.com/general/a...s?OpenDocument
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In support of WW
#384. Just to let you know I too canx my Unite membership before Xmas as I couldn't let my subs go towards the union bringing down the company I've given over 20 years to.
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You are not alone.