British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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It is clear now that PPRUNE is in this instance being monopolised by strike breakers and those unsympathetic to the cause. Having been through such a situation I can say never forgive and never forget. Never trust a person who has undermined you and never forget their underhandedness.
I think you have your groups mixed up. Riddle me this ?
Which group are currently undermining their employer ? Which group are using underhand tactcis to intimidate their colleagues ?
As the chap above says, shall the rest of BA (yes the company exists outside of CC !) never forgive and forget the selfish minority who are threatening to ruin our company, our jobs, because they have been asked to work a bit harder - this of course has been proved not to be the case judging by the amount of posts on here testifying that not to be the case since the famous 'imposition'.
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No! In fact if my kids knew they were missing out on so much fun they would want me to join BASSA straight away. Does the phrase 'lighten up' apply here? Open top bus seems like great fun too! Its all PR for the media, keeps the reporters interested and something to report. (Apparently an Iberia crew have turned up with a full tapas buffet! They just need AF with the wine and its a regular party.)
I would certainly not want to be part of a picket gathering where BA Cabin Crew who are terribly unpopular with the public at the moment, are seen having a whale of a time when our passengers, some of who have saved for months or years for a holiday of a life time are stranded as result of their actions.
I'm BA CC and the above are my personal views.
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I am immensely proud of my cabin crew colleagues and feel huge loyalty towards them.
I feel that my attempts ( and those of my colleagues) have been massively undermined over the years by Bassa and a small number of pilot haters.
Rather than undermining my colleagues I am prepared to go to great lengths to support them. At the moment the majority of crew are going to work; they are the brave ones; they are facing up to the union and the aggressive attitude of militant colleagues.
The endless lies and spin from Bassa have to be countered. I would be remiss if I didn't attempt to discuss the issues. And I always try to be as honest and objective as possible.
Sure BA are not blameless.
But as an example........ Willie is just doing his job, and by most standards he's doing very well. It is disgusting how Bassa have personalised the dispute.
Most pilots just want to find the truth.
Crew should do the same.
The truth shouldn't offend, and nor should an opinion - politely expressed.
Do any pilots hate or despise crew? I doubt it.
How many crew have a problem with pilots?
I feel that my attempts ( and those of my colleagues) have been massively undermined over the years by Bassa and a small number of pilot haters.
Rather than undermining my colleagues I am prepared to go to great lengths to support them. At the moment the majority of crew are going to work; they are the brave ones; they are facing up to the union and the aggressive attitude of militant colleagues.
The endless lies and spin from Bassa have to be countered. I would be remiss if I didn't attempt to discuss the issues. And I always try to be as honest and objective as possible.
Sure BA are not blameless.
But as an example........ Willie is just doing his job, and by most standards he's doing very well. It is disgusting how Bassa have personalised the dispute.
Most pilots just want to find the truth.
Crew should do the same.
The truth shouldn't offend, and nor should an opinion - politely expressed.
Do any pilots hate or despise crew? I doubt it.
How many crew have a problem with pilots?
PPRUNE is in this instance being monopolised by strike breakers and those unsympathetic to the cause.
... never forgive and never forget. Never trust a person who has undermined you and never forget their underhandedness
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Re: Post 714
I'm not sure I find it distasteful really, simply because i find it so bizaar. When I read what was planned, I really thought someone had posted a humourous little ditty as a joke! Is there to be a hog roast too? Are Iberia staff turning up to give workshops on "Spanish Practices"?
I'm not sure I find it distasteful really, simply because i find it so bizaar. When I read what was planned, I really thought someone had posted a humourous little ditty as a joke! Is there to be a hog roast too? Are Iberia staff turning up to give workshops on "Spanish Practices"?
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There are some VERY bad attitudes on the crew forums.
Is it getting worse or are people finally showing their true selves?
I worry that they will ever be able to work as a team member onboard again.
They are not many; maybe only 200 or so.
Then there are the gutless sheep who simply agree with the abuse and
yell 100% Bassa, or Strike Strike!! And never read anything other than forum spin.
Thank god there are some fantastic crew, many of whom are brave enough to work. Or even set up a new union,
Is it getting worse or are people finally showing their true selves?
I worry that they will ever be able to work as a team member onboard again.
They are not many; maybe only 200 or so.
Then there are the gutless sheep who simply agree with the abuse and
yell 100% Bassa, or Strike Strike!! And never read anything other than forum spin.
Thank god there are some fantastic crew, many of whom are brave enough to work. Or even set up a new union,
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well said Tiramisu 
what the party-goers perhaps fail to see is that they need only to behave in similar vein for a couple more weekends and they may soon find themselves with enough free time on their hands to hold 'fun days' as often as they want
but..... without any cash to enjoy them
what the party-goers perhaps fail to see is that they need only to behave in similar vein for a couple more weekends and they may soon find themselves with enough free time on their hands to hold 'fun days' as often as they want
but..... without any cash to enjoy them
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The TRUTH about the LIES
This is what the union has stated over the last weeks and months:
Numerous BA aircraft located at Cardiff and Shannon - LIE
Only 26 rostered staff reported for work during one of the strike days - LIE
Only 8 BA LHR departed in a two hour lunch time period last weekend - LIE
Film crews located in the CRC today to film strike breaking crews - LIE
T5 is like a ghost town - LIE
BA contingency won't work - WRONG
BA aircraft are poorly maintained - RIDICULOUS & INSULTING
Removal of crew member breaks contract - WRONG
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Compare that to comments by BA/WW, I'm not aware of any falsehoods being issued, though happy to be told I'm a liar as well !!!
So let me get this right, the union advises its members not read BA issued communication cos they are liars ......... hhhhmmmmm, irony doesn't even come close !!!
Accepting there will always be mistrust of management, because lets face it "whatever management say is always a fib and only what they want us to believe", but really, isn't it about time those crew loyal to their union get their head out of the sand and accept that they've been mislead in the most disgraceful manner, by a union that's lost all sense of reality. Blimey, do they think the rest of BA and the public are as ignorant as they are, obviously if they think we'll swallow their propaganda. Let's face it, if you tell people something often enough they'll actually believe it, I understand it's called brainwashing, history is full of it.
As for harassment, bullying and intimidation ..............
BA are managing those individuals that act in a manner that damages BA or impacts negatively on a colleague. This in itself is not BA intimidating staff, this is BA taking these matters seriously and dealing with them, so as to protect innocent staff being harassed. Just because previous regimes have turned a blind eye to these militants, doesn't mean we should continue to let it go on unchallenged, they were warned.
On the other side of the fence, recent reports suggest that a small number of staff that have chosen to come to work, are being intimidated at Heathrow and in hotels around the world by cabin crew bullies. The bullies should be utterly ashamed of their behaviour and I hope they get dealt with swiftly and harshly. Again, they were warned that this behaviour will not be tolerated.
And finally ............. outside of the cabin crew community, the vast majority of staff are very proud of those brave and loyal cabin crew who've made the difficult decision to come into work against the backdrop of threats and intimidation. We applaud you and after this sorry affair is over, I hope WW and the board recognise you for your commitment as you fully deserve it.
Numerous BA aircraft located at Cardiff and Shannon - LIE
Only 26 rostered staff reported for work during one of the strike days - LIE
Only 8 BA LHR departed in a two hour lunch time period last weekend - LIE
Film crews located in the CRC today to film strike breaking crews - LIE
T5 is like a ghost town - LIE
BA contingency won't work - WRONG
BA aircraft are poorly maintained - RIDICULOUS & INSULTING
Removal of crew member breaks contract - WRONG
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Compare that to comments by BA/WW, I'm not aware of any falsehoods being issued, though happy to be told I'm a liar as well !!!
So let me get this right, the union advises its members not read BA issued communication cos they are liars ......... hhhhmmmmm, irony doesn't even come close !!!
Accepting there will always be mistrust of management, because lets face it "whatever management say is always a fib and only what they want us to believe", but really, isn't it about time those crew loyal to their union get their head out of the sand and accept that they've been mislead in the most disgraceful manner, by a union that's lost all sense of reality. Blimey, do they think the rest of BA and the public are as ignorant as they are, obviously if they think we'll swallow their propaganda. Let's face it, if you tell people something often enough they'll actually believe it, I understand it's called brainwashing, history is full of it.
As for harassment, bullying and intimidation ..............
BA are managing those individuals that act in a manner that damages BA or impacts negatively on a colleague. This in itself is not BA intimidating staff, this is BA taking these matters seriously and dealing with them, so as to protect innocent staff being harassed. Just because previous regimes have turned a blind eye to these militants, doesn't mean we should continue to let it go on unchallenged, they were warned.
On the other side of the fence, recent reports suggest that a small number of staff that have chosen to come to work, are being intimidated at Heathrow and in hotels around the world by cabin crew bullies. The bullies should be utterly ashamed of their behaviour and I hope they get dealt with swiftly and harshly. Again, they were warned that this behaviour will not be tolerated.
And finally ............. outside of the cabin crew community, the vast majority of staff are very proud of those brave and loyal cabin crew who've made the difficult decision to come into work against the backdrop of threats and intimidation. We applaud you and after this sorry affair is over, I hope WW and the board recognise you for your commitment as you fully deserve it.
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From #704 above.....
What exactly is Unite basing this on? (How dare they call me a ragbag pilot!)
The fact is, we, amongst others, have kept your passengers travelling. I can assure you that our fully trained CC do not have the T & C’s and perks that you have, even after you have accepted WW offer, which you will have to do.
Ragbag pilots, sheesh! I didn’t know unite where fighting for their members in the playground with language like that. This from an official Unite doc too, is this really the type of organisation BA CC want representing them?!
"BA is claiming that it can function but it is doing so by throwing away millions of pounds every day as it dumps its passengers on other carriers. Passengers who turn up expecting to fly BA, a brand they trust and have paid a premium for, will now be shipped onto carriers they've never heard of.
"And, instead of fully trained professional crew, they'll be attended to by a ragbag bunch of pilots, managers and strike-breakers
"And, instead of fully trained professional crew, they'll be attended to by a ragbag bunch of pilots, managers and strike-breakers
What exactly is Unite basing this on? (How dare they call me a ragbag pilot!)
The fact is, we, amongst others, have kept your passengers travelling. I can assure you that our fully trained CC do not have the T & C’s and perks that you have, even after you have accepted WW offer, which you will have to do.
Ragbag pilots, sheesh! I didn’t know unite where fighting for their members in the playground with language like that. This from an official Unite doc too, is this really the type of organisation BA CC want representing them?!
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I will go into work tomorrow. I will see what the crc is like. If my crew is made up of 9/10 volanteers, I will withdraw my labour then and their. I dont agree with Bassa, and have written my resignation letter, but in 1000 yrs I will never ever EVER be a member of pcc or whatever they call themselves!
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The interviewed "striker" also said she had just got in from working.
So EF main crew finished work and striking by 1110am.
I thought the journalist's face was a picture as she tried to follow the girl's arguments.
Zilli
Good for you.
Once you get to the CRC you'll be fine.
So EF main crew finished work and striking by 1110am.
I thought the journalist's face was a picture as she tried to follow the girl's arguments.
Zilli
Good for you.
Once you get to the CRC you'll be fine.
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That is quite a good point Zilli. At least when CC89 was born, the founder members, who were largely ex-BASSA reps disgruntled with the direction it had taken over mid-fleet, stood up to be counted. I am sure they received a fair bit of aggravation during the early days but came through it; they have also received a fair amount of slagging off over the years but have chosen to rise above it. The PCCC are in some way feeding this myth that it is dangerous to cross the existing union and that there is something to fear by doing so. I agree therefore that, if they are to have a future, they need to lead by example.
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lazy newspapers
Very odd thing i have noticed . This snippet has appeared in online versions of the Daily Mail, Times, Telegraph. Looks like either someone has been set up to complain to all newspapers or that newspapers are using the same stringer in T5
John Cawley, 54, from Liverpool, said he would never fly with the company again.
Mr Cawley, his wife and two sons were due to fly to Newark in the US but their internal flight between Manchester and Heathrow was cancelled.
Instead the family was forced to pay £350 to hire a minibus to make the journey south.
Mr Cawley said: “It seems there are no certainties with BA at all. We’re having to take this trip one step at a time, once one bit is over we start to worry about the next one. There are question marks over everything. We’ll never use BA again, we wouldn’t want to go through all this again.”
Professional cyclist Josie Loane, 29 said she had been travelling for around 20 hours after leaving her native Australia early yesterday morning, only to find her connecting flight to Oslo had been cancelled.
She said: “I’ve been re-booked on to another flight but it doesn’t leave until around 2pm so I’ve got lots of waiting around. “It’s pretty bad. They haven’t even offered me a free meal ticket or offered to look after my luggage or anything.
“If my flight this afternoon goes to plan then I’ll be all right but if not then there’s no way in hell I’ll fly with them again.”
She added: “The staff just relate to their policies. They’re all well and good for them but it doesn’t really suit everyone.
John Cawley, 54, from Liverpool, said he would never fly with the company again.
Mr Cawley, his wife and two sons were due to fly to Newark in the US but their internal flight between Manchester and Heathrow was cancelled.
Instead the family was forced to pay £350 to hire a minibus to make the journey south.
Mr Cawley said: “It seems there are no certainties with BA at all. We’re having to take this trip one step at a time, once one bit is over we start to worry about the next one. There are question marks over everything. We’ll never use BA again, we wouldn’t want to go through all this again.”
Professional cyclist Josie Loane, 29 said she had been travelling for around 20 hours after leaving her native Australia early yesterday morning, only to find her connecting flight to Oslo had been cancelled.
She said: “I’ve been re-booked on to another flight but it doesn’t leave until around 2pm so I’ve got lots of waiting around. “It’s pretty bad. They haven’t even offered me a free meal ticket or offered to look after my luggage or anything.
“If my flight this afternoon goes to plan then I’ll be all right but if not then there’s no way in hell I’ll fly with them again.”
She added: “The staff just relate to their policies. They’re all well and good for them but it doesn’t really suit everyone.
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First post ! Long time to get through all these posts and very interesting the differing views. Posting due to draglift's excellent post 686 http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/409...ml#post5598846. Think it sums up viewpoints well. Be good if the forum had a thanks or agree button... save me posting this !
On a side note I cannot believe anyone would want someone like Tony Woodley representing them. I am biased but it makes complete sense that he failed his 11-plus and left school with no qualifications. (
Source: BBC News - BA strike: The three men trying to find a solution)
On a side note I cannot believe anyone would want someone like Tony Woodley representing them. I am biased but it makes complete sense that he failed his 11-plus and left school with no qualifications. (
Source: BBC News - BA strike: The three men trying to find a solution)
Ottergirl & Zilli,
I think you are both incredibly naive to expect the 'leaders' of the PCCC to let you know who they are.
The level of bullying, harrassment and shear hatred from SOME members of bassa / unite is enough for them to keep a low profile until this nastiness is over.
I am hoping that this dispute may even be the start of a healing process for the dysfunctional 'family' of BA. Once the really nasty and hateful element have been rooted out and sacked I believe that BA will be a far better place to work.
You only have to listen to how good the atmosphere has been WITHOUT those type of people to realise that this is now a distinct possibility.
I think you are both incredibly naive to expect the 'leaders' of the PCCC to let you know who they are.
The level of bullying, harrassment and shear hatred from SOME members of bassa / unite is enough for them to keep a low profile until this nastiness is over.
I am hoping that this dispute may even be the start of a healing process for the dysfunctional 'family' of BA. Once the really nasty and hateful element have been rooted out and sacked I believe that BA will be a far better place to work.
You only have to listen to how good the atmosphere has been WITHOUT those type of people to realise that this is now a distinct possibility.
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Zilli, my account of my day at work.
I arrived at the crew car park in full uniform where I was was greeted with warmth on showing my ID. The car park was busier than it was last Saturday. Once on the car park bus I was with Pilots and Cabin Crew who all seemed very chirpy. On arrival at T5, a nice lady asked us if we needed to be escorted through to the building which I appreciated, but declined. As I swiped in, I noticed CRC was as busy as any other Saturday. A few crew were selected to operate from standby. I noticed Martin Broughton sat in the cafeteria surrounded by CC and Pilots, answering questions.
I bumped into Bill Francis who was there to support, reassure and talk to as many crew as he could. He confirmed the figures quoted in his letter re-crew reporting for duty were crew who reported for duty, outbound crew who had chosen to come to work not inbound crew.
As we left CRC walking through T5, on arrival at our departure gate we were greeted with a round of applause by some of our passengers. Did we deserve it? Frankly no, were were only doing what we get paid to do that is to serve our customers, however the sentiments were much appreciated.
My flight was full, once on board several passengers thanked us on boarding and disembarkation for taking them to their destination.
On arrival to my destination somewhere in Europe, were were escorted by ground staff through the terminal building to our transport. The inbound crew were kept at on another floor level to avoid any crossing over.
Zilli, please put on your uniform and come to work. If your friends won't talk to you for making your own decision , it's a flimsy friendship not worth having.
Just remember who pays your salary, BA does not your friends.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are entirely my personal views.
I bumped into Bill Francis who was there to support, reassure and talk to as many crew as he could. He confirmed the figures quoted in his letter re-crew reporting for duty were crew who reported for duty, outbound crew who had chosen to come to work not inbound crew.
As we left CRC walking through T5, on arrival at our departure gate we were greeted with a round of applause by some of our passengers. Did we deserve it? Frankly no, were were only doing what we get paid to do that is to serve our customers, however the sentiments were much appreciated.
My flight was full, once on board several passengers thanked us on boarding and disembarkation for taking them to their destination.
On arrival to my destination somewhere in Europe, were were escorted by ground staff through the terminal building to our transport. The inbound crew were kept at on another floor level to avoid any crossing over.
Zilli, please put on your uniform and come to work. If your friends won't talk to you for making your own decision , it's a flimsy friendship not worth having.
Just remember who pays your salary, BA does not your friends.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are entirely my personal views.
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Hi Zilli,
I am glad that you have decided to report for work tomorrow.
I guarantee you, the CRC won't be full of mainly volunteers, but professional BA Crew, like yourself.
I operated last Sunday, and had the delight to be accompanied by 14 BA Cabin crew ( no volunteers ) . Lot's had concerns, fears and worries which was understandable. We worked through them as " One Team " and when we got down route we were looked after by the Airport Duty manager and Hotel staff. We had no issues what so ever, from the staff car park back to the staff car park four days later.
We all stuck together most of the time down route, met up for dinner both nights and I have to say it was a really great trip. So don't worry, everybody will look after you, I promise. You will be part of the majority.
Safe flying tomorrow Zilli.
I am glad that you have decided to report for work tomorrow.
I guarantee you, the CRC won't be full of mainly volunteers, but professional BA Crew, like yourself.
I operated last Sunday, and had the delight to be accompanied by 14 BA Cabin crew ( no volunteers ) . Lot's had concerns, fears and worries which was understandable. We worked through them as " One Team " and when we got down route we were looked after by the Airport Duty manager and Hotel staff. We had no issues what so ever, from the staff car park back to the staff car park four days later.
We all stuck together most of the time down route, met up for dinner both nights and I have to say it was a really great trip. So don't worry, everybody will look after you, I promise. You will be part of the majority.
Safe flying tomorrow Zilli.