stormin norman, what has been clear from the start of this saga, and much clearer in recent weeks, is that BASSA and UNITE only, repeat only, want to 'deal' if it means that they get exactly what they want. As far as they are concerned, savings, reductions, increased productivity is stuff for others to worry and deal with. Apart from that view being being a rather juvenile one, the others have had enough of the BASSA and UNITE tripe, and the damage it has done, and continues to do. Enough talking - others want this beast slain. Finished. Now!