British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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So we have failed, I am truly sorry, but let me say, over the last 9 weeks, the work to find a solution has been painstaking.
The UNITE leadership have agreed to a press conference tomorrow
Staff travel is important but it won't be worth anything if you are stuck in a job you hate on vastly inferior terms and conditions. Going on strike is still a human right and unfortunately the only way Willie Walsh can be brought to his sentences.
1. Staff travel withdrawal is only going to be imposed if CC strike? Yes?
2. What inferior T&C? For the majority, none. For the CSD, a bit of work? Yes?
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Tomkins - The same share deal was also available to BASSA last summer.
Very roughly the share deal would give out (to me) about £1500 of shares if the company makes a 10% profit margin. (Its managed that once in its history...).
Not sure how that could be spun as a 'payback' as I've given up £5k a year - permanently.
Very roughly the share deal would give out (to me) about £1500 of shares if the company makes a 10% profit margin. (Its managed that once in its history...).
Not sure how that could be spun as a 'payback' as I've given up £5k a year - permanently.
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Well, well, well...
Is BASSA finally being honest with its members and admitting that the loss of staff travel will be a consequence of foolish actions?
Staff travel is important but it won't be worth anything if you are stuck in a job you hate on vastly inferior terms and conditions
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Does anyone still believe anything BASSA say?
Hi Tomkins,
I would have thought everyone had learnt by now not to believe what BASSA/UNITE say - there's enough hard evidence out there to find out the reality and compare it to their misleading, inaccurate statements.
I would have thought everyone had learnt by now not to believe what BASSA/UNITE say - there's enough hard evidence out there to find out the reality and compare it to their misleading, inaccurate statements.
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52049er
hadn't heard the real deal just rumours.Thanks for the clarification.
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Why do you believe that I am basing this on bassa spin.Not in Bassa and can't believe where they are comming from,however do keep my ear to the grapevine be it fact or fiction
hadn't heard the real deal just rumours.Thanks for the clarification.
Jetpack2
Why do you believe that I am basing this on bassa spin.Not in Bassa and can't believe where they are comming from,however do keep my ear to the grapevine be it fact or fiction
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Increased tax on meal allowances
Probably not a good time to mention the increased tax on those now admitted £1000pcm meal allowances.
Previously, 35% would have been taxable so:
£350 @ 40% higher rate/20% basic rate = £140/£70pcm respectively
And after the HMRC review and BASSA submission, the taxable element was raised to 59% so:
£590 @ 40% higher rate/20% basic rate = £236/£118pcm respectively
That equates to an actual increase in tax of £96/£48 pcm.
Reported in one communication from BASSA as "just a few pounds a month".
Previously, 35% would have been taxable so:
£350 @ 40% higher rate/20% basic rate = £140/£70pcm respectively
And after the HMRC review and BASSA submission, the taxable element was raised to 59% so:
£590 @ 40% higher rate/20% basic rate = £236/£118pcm respectively
That equates to an actual increase in tax of £96/£48 pcm.
Reported in one communication from BASSA as "just a few pounds a month".
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I do not have the facts and figures to hand but I believe that cc at lgw earning a basic of £850 a month and £600 in allowances/flight pay will now be around £100 a month worse off as of the end of feb.So a pay cut at the moment is not an option.
I do not have the facts and figures to hand but I believe that cc at lgw earning a basic of £850 a month and £600 in allowances/flight pay will now be around £100 a month worse off as of the end of feb.So a pay cut at the moment is not an option.
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Plodding along - so the top rate CSD ...
... could get another £1000-£2000 a month on top of that?
Is there any wonder that the upper echelon of CSDs are fighting to preserve something like £70,000 per annum? The revelations here put the whole debate, and indeed the IA, in perspective. Where do the Main Crew sit in that, I have to wonder?
LHR CSD = £55,000 per annum.
LHR Main Crew = £28,000 per annum.
Any other allowances that should be mentioned?
I only ask for clarity in this tangled debate.
LHR Main Crew = £28,000 per annum.
Any other allowances that should be mentioned?
I only ask for clarity in this tangled debate.
Is there any wonder that the upper echelon of CSDs are fighting to preserve something like £70,000 per annum? The revelations here put the whole debate, and indeed the IA, in perspective. Where do the Main Crew sit in that, I have to wonder?
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Does anyone else consider that CSDs are somewhat overpaid?
No sixty odd thousand a year is very reasonable I think.
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Any renumeration decrease at LGW is totally unrealistic
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LGW should not even be considered in this round of cost savings, they have already felt the pain.
The current LHR crew complement effective Nov 2009 has achieved significant savings and very few people have a problem with it as part of the solution, just the BASSA negotiating team and their contemporaries it would appear.
LGW should not even be considered in this round of cost savings, they have already felt the pain.
The current LHR crew complement effective Nov 2009 has achieved significant savings and very few people have a problem with it as part of the solution, just the BASSA negotiating team and their contemporaries it would appear.
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Do I take it, by you posting a link to fiction, that you are beginning to enjoy this spectator sport of watching BASSA self-destruct
PS just joking, please don't ban me
Do I take it, by you posting a link to fiction, that you are beginning to enjoy this spectator sport of watching BASSA self-destruct
PS just joking, please don't ban me
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f40's link nicely demonstrates why BASSA union reps will never agree to a simplified structure, eliminating all those intricate clauses on turnaround times etc inherited from BEA / BOAC etc. There are simply too many elements on which they can negotiate and tie the company down to demonstrate their power.
Only way to simplify the business (and protect the current workforce) is to kill the union.
Strike on.
Only way to simplify the business (and protect the current workforce) is to kill the union.
Strike on.
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Oh dear!
The ballot was called over imposition.The court ruled the imposition legal.BASSA perservered and negotiated instead a 2.6% pay cut for all (albeit repayable) and ignored that LGW were already working under the imposition terms.
Could BASSA not at this very very late stage eat a little humble pie-accept the imposition but with a guarantee to safeguard existing crews T&C's regardless of new fleet etc?
What a mess!
The ballot was called over imposition.The court ruled the imposition legal.BASSA perservered and negotiated instead a 2.6% pay cut for all (albeit repayable) and ignored that LGW were already working under the imposition terms.
Could BASSA not at this very very late stage eat a little humble pie-accept the imposition but with a guarantee to safeguard existing crews T&C's regardless of new fleet etc?
What a mess!
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55k for a full time csd is achievable
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The top pay point for a full time WW LHR CSD on the original pre-97 contract is £43k. The estimate for meal allowances is a bit high at £1000pcm. With leave one would put it at an average of £700pcm so £8.4k.
Add to that FOUR request trips and one would be foolish not to go for one NRT, one SIN, two HKG if there are two services for example. With other lesser sector payments that would equate to over £3.6k over the year absolute minimum.
So yes, 55k per annum is achievable as a gross figure at the top end of the scale.
55k per annum my a£$e, please lets keep the debate factual and without exaggerations.
Add to that FOUR request trips and one would be foolish not to go for one NRT, one SIN, two HKG if there are two services for example. With other lesser sector payments that would equate to over £3.6k over the year absolute minimum.
So yes, 55k per annum is achievable as a gross figure at the top end of the scale.
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Enjoy BA as long as it lasts, this uncertainty in the past, and now again, will seriously punish BA. I can see huge losses ahead, because people will simply vote with their money to go to other airlines, instead of an airline who constantly have this strike threat.
And by the way, the service with BA is not that great either anymore, had several long haul nightmares London to USA with BA - I for one will make all my travel plans excluding BA, because I am not prepared to put up with over pampered lazy BA cabin crew, who are willing to put their companies existence on the line, while everyone else is trying their best to get by during the recession.
You will see, when you loose your jobs, BA is not untouchable, no company is untouchable anymore!
And by the way, the service with BA is not that great either anymore, had several long haul nightmares London to USA with BA - I for one will make all my travel plans excluding BA, because I am not prepared to put up with over pampered lazy BA cabin crew, who are willing to put their companies existence on the line, while everyone else is trying their best to get by during the recession.
You will see, when you loose your jobs, BA is not untouchable, no company is untouchable anymore!
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Just trying to be of service TopBunk.
Same as in the previous 5 threads on this subject.
There is little enjoyment in this thread.
It is mind numbingly repetitive, many participants lack basic netiquette, manners and the ability (willingness) to stick to simple forum rules.
Posters from both side of the argument are often needlessly quarrelsome, post downright lies and misleading insinuations, and generally cloud the very real and serious issues with an endless stream of half informed rubbish.
This is the Cabin Crew Forum, a forum run by cabin crew for cabin crew to discuss matters that are of interest to cabin crew.
Yet many non-CC posters contribute to an ongoing barrage of posts denigrating this forum“s core users, cabin crew.
How rude can you be, even anonymously on the internet?
*In an airline career of 30+ years the overwhelming majority of crew have been decent, courteous, hardworking people who actually seek to please their customers: The behaviour of the minority has been, and continues to be, used by some as a stick to beat the majority with. In fact, in my view, most airline crew genuinely seek to offer a standard of service which is almost absent in other industries.
Many of the contributors here abuse this BA IR situation: In some cases, it has proved to be a useful hook to hang pre-existing prejudices on. In other cases, there are simply vacant seats on a bandwagon that are jumped on. Most airlines are not BA, and most CC are not BASSA militants - yet many posters here pretend otherwise and that simply demonstrate a poor understanding of the truth.
* Copyright TightSlot
Last but not least TopBunk, I derive no pleasure whatsoever from this slow motion train wreck that involves so many of my fellow professional flight attendants.
Same as in the previous 5 threads on this subject.
There is little enjoyment in this thread.
It is mind numbingly repetitive, many participants lack basic netiquette, manners and the ability (willingness) to stick to simple forum rules.
Posters from both side of the argument are often needlessly quarrelsome, post downright lies and misleading insinuations, and generally cloud the very real and serious issues with an endless stream of half informed rubbish.
This is the Cabin Crew Forum, a forum run by cabin crew for cabin crew to discuss matters that are of interest to cabin crew.
Yet many non-CC posters contribute to an ongoing barrage of posts denigrating this forum“s core users, cabin crew.
How rude can you be, even anonymously on the internet?
*In an airline career of 30+ years the overwhelming majority of crew have been decent, courteous, hardworking people who actually seek to please their customers: The behaviour of the minority has been, and continues to be, used by some as a stick to beat the majority with. In fact, in my view, most airline crew genuinely seek to offer a standard of service which is almost absent in other industries.
Many of the contributors here abuse this BA IR situation: In some cases, it has proved to be a useful hook to hang pre-existing prejudices on. In other cases, there are simply vacant seats on a bandwagon that are jumped on. Most airlines are not BA, and most CC are not BASSA militants - yet many posters here pretend otherwise and that simply demonstrate a poor understanding of the truth.
* Copyright TightSlot
Last but not least TopBunk, I derive no pleasure whatsoever from this slow motion train wreck that involves so many of my fellow professional flight attendants.
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Oh dear!
The ballot was called over imposition.The court ruled the imposition legal.BASSA perservered and negotiated instead a 2.6% pay cut for all (albeit repayable) and ignored that LGW were already working under the imposition terms.
Could BASSA not at this very very late stage eat a little humble pie-accept the imposition but with a guarantee to safeguard existing crews T&C's regardless of new fleet etc?
What a mess!
The ballot was called over imposition.The court ruled the imposition legal.BASSA perservered and negotiated instead a 2.6% pay cut for all (albeit repayable) and ignored that LGW were already working under the imposition terms.
Could BASSA not at this very very late stage eat a little humble pie-accept the imposition but with a guarantee to safeguard existing crews T&C's regardless of new fleet etc?
What a mess!