British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Reacting to the publication by BA of its strike-breaking flights schedule, a Unite spokesperson said: "BA should enter this schedule for the Booker Prize for fiction. It is an accomplished work of fantasy."
Source: - http://www.unitetheunion.com/news__events/latest_news/ba_strike_schedules_a_work_of.aspx
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If you do read it one point becomes very clear!
If its contents are true then BASSA are cr*p at representing their members at disciplinary hearings! From what I could see only 3 were stopped due to BA not following due process the rest went ahead!
To me that clearly indicates that either the content is false (my opinion) or that BASSA couldn't care less about looking after their members (well we already knew that!)
Moving on.........
If its contents are true then BASSA are cr*p at representing their members at disciplinary hearings! From what I could see only 3 were stopped due to BA not following due process the rest went ahead!
To me that clearly indicates that either the content is false (my opinion) or that BASSA couldn't care less about looking after their members (well we already knew that!)
Moving on.........
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Of course I'm sure the relevent unions have briefed their members and reps on the changes to the docor's sick note system from 4th April
http://www.tuc.org.uk/extras/fitnote.pdf
It mainly affects those on long term illness and allows the doctor to suggest options under which an employee can return to work
http://www.tuc.org.uk/extras/fitnote.pdf
It mainly affects those on long term illness and allows the doctor to suggest options under which an employee can return to work
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Willie's Rant
Willie, you have just reminded me of one of the reasons I was so pleased to retire. Whereas most cabin crew were really nice people to work with, I was often depressed by the nasty anti-pilot folk with chips on both shoulders.
Willie, you have a problem. Your message is bordering on manic, and does not help to resolve the problem.
For the rest of you good folk, I hope you manage to avoid the burning fire into which your Union is casting you.
Willie, you have a problem. Your message is bordering on manic, and does not help to resolve the problem.
For the rest of you good folk, I hope you manage to avoid the burning fire into which your Union is casting you.
The real WW almost blew the strategy a few days back when Unite came within a hairsbreadth of accepting his offer.
He must have been relieved.
The whole plan would have gone out the window had Unite accepted.
Little wonder he will never consider putting it back on the table.
He must have been relieved.
The whole plan would have gone out the window had Unite accepted.
Little wonder he will never consider putting it back on the table.
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Imagine life without a job or a pension
I'm just a passenger.
I used to get staff travel discounts from my sister, but now I pay for my tickets with money that I work hard for.
I run my own business, and I am baffled as to how the seemingly intelligent people I meet in BA are so taken in by the lefties.
There is nothing more important in any business than Management's right to manage. The unions, staff associations or even the individual staff, are not in a position to decide how the company operates. That's a certain road to madness and death of the business.
Ask yourself this; "How fcuked are you going to be if BA should go to the wall"
Also ask; "How Fcuked is Willie Walsh going to be if BA......"
The answers are "Very" and "Not at all"
If you cabin crew want to have a job then you will need to get on with doing what you are being paid for. People at the top decide what is to be done and people at the bottom do it. If you serve me my dinner and I decide not to eat it until ten minutes to landing, you'll not have time to clear up before we all need to be strapped in. If I decide, along with more passengers to walk around the cabin during the approach, things are going to get difficult for all of us. Why can't cabin crew reailse that if the bosses say "This is the number of crew you are going to have on the aircraft" that has to be the way of it?
In the event that some of you want to decide how to run an airline, here's a quick taste of business reaility.
BA falls apart, Willie and the top brass make off with loads of money they already have, and they can get jobs, Knighthoods and Peerages as they have shown they are made of the right stuff. The ever so happy bosses at the other airlines, having been saved from bankruptcy by the abolition of BA, are all going to do well, as will their cabin crew, pilots and others.
HR Managers at those other airlines will be swamped by applications from ex BA staff. Put yourself in the place of such an HR Manager. Would you employ somone who helped to put BA under? With no way of knowing who was militant and who was caught up in it, best just to say no.
There will be some good news. The people at Unite will be safe as they will still have their jobs and be able to pay their mortgage, buy a new car etc. etc and even go on holiday.
Did Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher go hungry during the Miner's strike? Not on your life. Did they end up jobless? No.
Is Willie Walsh's future at stake? No.
Is Yours?
I used to get staff travel discounts from my sister, but now I pay for my tickets with money that I work hard for.
I run my own business, and I am baffled as to how the seemingly intelligent people I meet in BA are so taken in by the lefties.
There is nothing more important in any business than Management's right to manage. The unions, staff associations or even the individual staff, are not in a position to decide how the company operates. That's a certain road to madness and death of the business.
Ask yourself this; "How fcuked are you going to be if BA should go to the wall"
Also ask; "How Fcuked is Willie Walsh going to be if BA......"
The answers are "Very" and "Not at all"
If you cabin crew want to have a job then you will need to get on with doing what you are being paid for. People at the top decide what is to be done and people at the bottom do it. If you serve me my dinner and I decide not to eat it until ten minutes to landing, you'll not have time to clear up before we all need to be strapped in. If I decide, along with more passengers to walk around the cabin during the approach, things are going to get difficult for all of us. Why can't cabin crew reailse that if the bosses say "This is the number of crew you are going to have on the aircraft" that has to be the way of it?
In the event that some of you want to decide how to run an airline, here's a quick taste of business reaility.
BA falls apart, Willie and the top brass make off with loads of money they already have, and they can get jobs, Knighthoods and Peerages as they have shown they are made of the right stuff. The ever so happy bosses at the other airlines, having been saved from bankruptcy by the abolition of BA, are all going to do well, as will their cabin crew, pilots and others.
HR Managers at those other airlines will be swamped by applications from ex BA staff. Put yourself in the place of such an HR Manager. Would you employ somone who helped to put BA under? With no way of knowing who was militant and who was caught up in it, best just to say no.
There will be some good news. The people at Unite will be safe as they will still have their jobs and be able to pay their mortgage, buy a new car etc. etc and even go on holiday.
Did Arthur Scargill or Maggie Thatcher go hungry during the Miner's strike? Not on your life. Did they end up jobless? No.
Is Willie Walsh's future at stake? No.
Is Yours?
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Williewalsh, "the actions of some flightdeck " that you allude to are possibly going to keep this company alive and well for the majority of us who quite like having a job and do not mind working harder to be paid the same wage.
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Papillon, I noted that as well, but you are spoiling a great work of fantasy. I'm quite sure CC No. 8 had a doctor's certificate declaring her fit to fly to Oz - otherwise no sensible airline would consider her as pax in such a critical medical condition.
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WW note is a salutory reminder that when it is your turn to have the BASSA brain cell ensure all forms of electronic communication are switched off and if possible have the batteries removed.
Anyone discussing other peoples names with regards to company sensitive information in such fraught times deserves everything they get.
regards
Anyone discussing other peoples names with regards to company sensitive information in such fraught times deserves everything they get.
regards
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I know I've been "absent" for a while, but as NewIrishbabe rightly predicted, I've been very busy with reassuring worried crew about the strike and coming into work. I've also been flying rather a lot. I've been keeping up to speed though, as one would expect.
I've cancelled days off and leave to make sure I'm at work during any strike.
The next one is an email from the union which I, as a LGW crew member finds offensive, especially the first paragraph.
Having read the union proposal, there isn't much in there regarding the LGW transfer opportunities that the crew are worried about and the union harp on about. There is no "guarantee" in the document at all, just a "we'll try, but don't hold your breath". Just for the record, I've no desire to transfer, and I know that there won't be any transfers on current t&cs. It seems to me that as per usual, the union adds an issue that many feel strongly about but the union won't be able to do anything about rectifying it, purely to get "support" from LGW crew. Just my opinion, of course.
Gg
Ps. Sorry Mods, for the reposting of the disciplinary document and the length of post.
I'm BA CC and this is my opinion and not that of my employer
I've cancelled days off and leave to make sure I'm at work during any strike.
The next one is an email from the union which I, as a LGW crew member finds offensive, especially the first paragraph.
Unite 's Offer and Gatwick Crew
Sadly, the majority of Gatwick based cabin crew have failed to take the
initiative to read and fully comprehend the extent of the Unite
proposal -which was tabled at the TUC in order to avert industrial action.
Instead, many chose to simply read a few inaccurate lines in an email from
Bill Francis and take that as fact instead.
The formal offer presented by Unite was rejected by British Airways after
only a few minutes.....
Your representatives at Gatwick and Heathrow, from both BASSA and AMICUS,
have fought for more than 13 months in order to protect Gatwick 's right
to transfer under Op's and Choice , and to return the 2nd purser to our
Longhaul aircraft.
Ultimately we have fought as equally to protect your future career, and
from working to poorer conditions than those you currently enjoy, as we
have for every other crew member.
In return, British Airways claims that 70% of the base have volunteered to
work during the strike, undermining the work we have done on your behalf.
So let's set the record straight, once and for all.
Unite 's offer has been rejected by BA, however, before it could have been
officially accepted, the membership would have been balloted as to whether
or not they wished to accept it.
Part of Unite 's offer represents a pay cut deal, similar to the pilots
deal and is REPAYABLE!
To repeat... It is REPAYABLE. Just like a loan.
How?
With a temporary 2.6% pay cut for the 2010 period.
This means, for a crew member who se basic salary is GBP11,600 per year,
a temporary cut of GBP301.06 in 2010, or no more than GBP25 a month for
12 months.
This would then be REPAID in FULL- PLUS with a cash bonus NEXT year!
What price is that? A take-away on a Saturday night? A carton of 200
cigarettes? Half a tank of petrol? A round of drinks on at the bar?
So, for GBP25 a month (or less) for 12 months, REPAYABLE with a cash
bonus, Unite offers to protect your transfer rights, return the second
purser to our 777 aircraft and protect your career path for the remainder
of your career!
Make no mistake. BA are insisting that everyone must play their part in
achieving their determined cost savings. The PSR on the 777 equates to
GBP200,000 per year. Our proposal also ensure you can transfer under Op's
and Choice to LHR, within the appropriate rank, to higher pay-scales on
current TandC's.
BA's last proposal STILL means the PSR stays off the 777.
Gatwick Pursers are currently telling us that they are acutely
experiencing the financial hardship the reduction of onboard pursers is
causing.
Plus, if BA have their way, which they currently DO, you have NO transfer
rights outside of LGW on current fleets. Your transfer rights are gone
FOREVER.
Having offered BA all the cost savings they asked for, it is clear - this
dispute is not about cost saving. It's simply about whether you have the
right to Union representation within this airline. It's about you standing
up for your rights in the workplace. We have. Will you?
If not- we can only assume you are happy to have your working positions
removed from our aircraft unilaterally- and that you have no desire to
transfer. With Op's and Choice gone forever- you will have extremely
limited opportunity as cabin crew within British Airways. Do not kid
yourself that LGW will be priortised for recruitment on New Fleet. New
Fleet will have limited places for the single supervisory grade, and
applications will come from the current management structure within the
whole of BA - AND- direct entry from external recruitment. Competition for
all positions will be far higher than you can imagine.
We would like to thank the many Gatwick cabin crew who have not
volunteered to work over our legitimate strike, and who we will continue
to fight for without fear nor regret.
The unite document can be read in its entirety here: -
http://www.bassa.co.uk/bassa/downloads/10thMarchUniteFinalDocument.doc
Although our proposal has been rejected- we strongly suggest you take the
time to read it and understand exactly what is at stake. If you
don't- we won't be here. So WHO will?
Your reps, as always are available to answer any questions you may have.
You may feel that by volunteering to work over the strike will protect
you, but you are simply placing your head in the sand and allowing another
to fight on your behalf.
Everybody has a right to choose. Choose a career with a future even if it
means fighting for it. You 're not alone.
Do nothing- and things will only get worse. Don't miss your opportunity to
make a change. Your future depends upon it.
Sadly, the majority of Gatwick based cabin crew have failed to take the
initiative to read and fully comprehend the extent of the Unite
proposal -which was tabled at the TUC in order to avert industrial action.
Instead, many chose to simply read a few inaccurate lines in an email from
Bill Francis and take that as fact instead.
The formal offer presented by Unite was rejected by British Airways after
only a few minutes.....
Your representatives at Gatwick and Heathrow, from both BASSA and AMICUS,
have fought for more than 13 months in order to protect Gatwick 's right
to transfer under Op's and Choice , and to return the 2nd purser to our
Longhaul aircraft.
Ultimately we have fought as equally to protect your future career, and
from working to poorer conditions than those you currently enjoy, as we
have for every other crew member.
In return, British Airways claims that 70% of the base have volunteered to
work during the strike, undermining the work we have done on your behalf.
So let's set the record straight, once and for all.
Unite 's offer has been rejected by BA, however, before it could have been
officially accepted, the membership would have been balloted as to whether
or not they wished to accept it.
Part of Unite 's offer represents a pay cut deal, similar to the pilots
deal and is REPAYABLE!
To repeat... It is REPAYABLE. Just like a loan.
How?
With a temporary 2.6% pay cut for the 2010 period.
This means, for a crew member who se basic salary is GBP11,600 per year,
a temporary cut of GBP301.06 in 2010, or no more than GBP25 a month for
12 months.
This would then be REPAID in FULL- PLUS with a cash bonus NEXT year!
What price is that? A take-away on a Saturday night? A carton of 200
cigarettes? Half a tank of petrol? A round of drinks on at the bar?
So, for GBP25 a month (or less) for 12 months, REPAYABLE with a cash
bonus, Unite offers to protect your transfer rights, return the second
purser to our 777 aircraft and protect your career path for the remainder
of your career!
Make no mistake. BA are insisting that everyone must play their part in
achieving their determined cost savings. The PSR on the 777 equates to
GBP200,000 per year. Our proposal also ensure you can transfer under Op's
and Choice to LHR, within the appropriate rank, to higher pay-scales on
current TandC's.
BA's last proposal STILL means the PSR stays off the 777.
Gatwick Pursers are currently telling us that they are acutely
experiencing the financial hardship the reduction of onboard pursers is
causing.
Plus, if BA have their way, which they currently DO, you have NO transfer
rights outside of LGW on current fleets. Your transfer rights are gone
FOREVER.
Having offered BA all the cost savings they asked for, it is clear - this
dispute is not about cost saving. It's simply about whether you have the
right to Union representation within this airline. It's about you standing
up for your rights in the workplace. We have. Will you?
If not- we can only assume you are happy to have your working positions
removed from our aircraft unilaterally- and that you have no desire to
transfer. With Op's and Choice gone forever- you will have extremely
limited opportunity as cabin crew within British Airways. Do not kid
yourself that LGW will be priortised for recruitment on New Fleet. New
Fleet will have limited places for the single supervisory grade, and
applications will come from the current management structure within the
whole of BA - AND- direct entry from external recruitment. Competition for
all positions will be far higher than you can imagine.
We would like to thank the many Gatwick cabin crew who have not
volunteered to work over our legitimate strike, and who we will continue
to fight for without fear nor regret.
The unite document can be read in its entirety here: -
http://www.bassa.co.uk/bassa/downloads/10thMarchUniteFinalDocument.doc
Although our proposal has been rejected- we strongly suggest you take the
time to read it and understand exactly what is at stake. If you
don't- we won't be here. So WHO will?
Your reps, as always are available to answer any questions you may have.
You may feel that by volunteering to work over the strike will protect
you, but you are simply placing your head in the sand and allowing another
to fight on your behalf.
Everybody has a right to choose. Choose a career with a future even if it
means fighting for it. You 're not alone.
Do nothing- and things will only get worse. Don't miss your opportunity to
make a change. Your future depends upon it.
Gg
Ps. Sorry Mods, for the reposting of the disciplinary document and the length of post.
I'm BA CC and this is my opinion and not that of my employer
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I thought I would just post a quick message of support to all those flying as passengers, non striking crew, or volunteer crew this weekend.
To all our passengers, thank you for your custom. We will be doing our utmost to get you where you need to be. Whilst the service onboard may lack some of the usual finesse, you can rest assured that all of the crew on board are there for you, trying to minimise any disruption to your travel plans. Regardless of what union leaders have said in the press, all volunteer crew will be fully trained in safety and medical procedures, so you should not worry on that front.
To any non striking cabin crew, I salute your bravery in crossing a picket line, for the good of our customers and our futures. I hope the selfish actions of your union representatives do not impact too much on your future careers. Please help out any volunteer crew with your experience and knowledge. You can also have the comfort that your Flight Crew on the day will give you all the support you need to get you through a tough day.
To the ground staff crew volunteers, welcome to our world!! We are glad to have you working alongside us, even though we wish the circumstances were different. Anybody on my flight to Chicago this weekend, you shant be spending your allowances in the bar, as your beers are on me!!!!!!
To all our passengers, thank you for your custom. We will be doing our utmost to get you where you need to be. Whilst the service onboard may lack some of the usual finesse, you can rest assured that all of the crew on board are there for you, trying to minimise any disruption to your travel plans. Regardless of what union leaders have said in the press, all volunteer crew will be fully trained in safety and medical procedures, so you should not worry on that front.
To any non striking cabin crew, I salute your bravery in crossing a picket line, for the good of our customers and our futures. I hope the selfish actions of your union representatives do not impact too much on your future careers. Please help out any volunteer crew with your experience and knowledge. You can also have the comfort that your Flight Crew on the day will give you all the support you need to get you through a tough day.
To the ground staff crew volunteers, welcome to our world!! We are glad to have you working alongside us, even though we wish the circumstances were different. Anybody on my flight to Chicago this weekend, you shant be spending your allowances in the bar, as your beers are on me!!!!!!
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Another weird day!!
Glamgirl, welcome back.
I too have volunteered to fly anywhere, anytime etc. etc. etc. What's very heartening it appears more and more of our colleagues are doing the same. (Quite a robust schedule in place).
Interestingly, some of the crew I spoke with today were aware of the details of last weeks offer from the company (post # 2723).
Those that knew the details said they would have accepted it.
Bit late for that now I guess.
My thoughts, they do not represent my employer or any other party.
I too have volunteered to fly anywhere, anytime etc. etc. etc. What's very heartening it appears more and more of our colleagues are doing the same. (Quite a robust schedule in place).
Interestingly, some of the crew I spoke with today were aware of the details of last weeks offer from the company (post # 2723).
Those that knew the details said they would have accepted it.
Bit late for that now I guess.
My thoughts, they do not represent my employer or any other party.
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@ Snas ... WOW
Hmmm ... now there IS a conundrum. I guess we all watch with interest.
This is, IMO, being handled at a VERY high level now. Mr McCluskey would appear to be sidelined, after slapping Mr Walsh in the face [figuratively] by calling the strike despite the 3-week additional negotiation offer.
Originally Posted by Mr Woodley
“Put the offer back on the table and we will look sensibly at suspending the strike and we can hopefully find a long-term solution to a very difficult subject,” he said.
This is, IMO, being handled at a VERY high level now. Mr McCluskey would appear to be sidelined, after slapping Mr Walsh in the face [figuratively] by calling the strike despite the 3-week additional negotiation offer.
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Agreed - "sensibly" hasn't been a feature, by some perspectives. However, my reading [between those few lines] is that Mr Woodley [under pressure from No 10] is now in charge of negotiations. And that Unite has effectively been 'told' to sort it out.
I won't presume to second-guess what Mr Walsh will think/say/do - because BA has already incurred substantial additional costs in covering for the strike. And that's going to come out of someone's hide.
Next 24 hours will be fascinating.
I won't presume to second-guess what Mr Walsh will think/say/do - because BA has already incurred substantial additional costs in covering for the strike. And that's going to come out of someone's hide.
Next 24 hours will be fascinating.
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The PCCC really needs to get their proverbial in gear NOW and roll out an action plan to represent crew starting on day 1 of the strike.
There will only be one opportunity like this.
There will only be one opportunity like this.