British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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..and therein Heavy Heavy, lies the practicalities of the cancer eating into BA. Until a sea change of attitude from a certain cadre of folk can be effected, beyond this dipute even, BA will wither because not enough people will choose to fly with them. Simples.
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It is possible that some customers/passengers/SLF have developed a degree of dissatisfaction with the services offered.
It is possible that BASSA will win the legal argument, at which point TheTiresome1's points come into play, one way or another.
It is certain that on-going uncertainty about the prospects of scheduled operations happening as ticketed will influence forward bookings.
Regardless of all the emotion, who can possibly win in this situation?
It is possible that BASSA will win the legal argument, at which point TheTiresome1's points come into play, one way or another.
It is certain that on-going uncertainty about the prospects of scheduled operations happening as ticketed will influence forward bookings.
Regardless of all the emotion, who can possibly win in this situation?
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Winston similarly there are many crew who drive considerable distances to work. A lot stopped flying from MAN when they had to pay for the car park there. As a result with a lot of ealrier reports these days some have been on the road since 3am . Hence the rush for the bunks at the earliest possible chance. However I bet they don`t mention any level of fatigue at report. Isnt it one of the criteria when signing it to be fit and well rested.
If the CAA got hold of how tired some crew are report time be it a day or night report they might insist on commuters finding hotel accomodation the night before a duty.
Similarly I once sat next to a young lady FAO/LGW 1100 local departure who was heading to LHR to operate 767 night flight to Lusaka, After landing at LGW she was due to hop on bus to LHR. she had prob been up 14 hours prior to the night flight
Totally separate note she was new crew but for some reason she had a boarding card and passed throught immigration whilst long serving current staff were made to wait until the end, Not the first timeor last time that happened at FAO.If you ever travel ex FAO on ID90 keep an eye out for that and one reason why I now buy hotlines,
If the CAA got hold of how tired some crew are report time be it a day or night report they might insist on commuters finding hotel accomodation the night before a duty.
Similarly I once sat next to a young lady FAO/LGW 1100 local departure who was heading to LHR to operate 767 night flight to Lusaka, After landing at LGW she was due to hop on bus to LHR. she had prob been up 14 hours prior to the night flight
Totally separate note she was new crew but for some reason she had a boarding card and passed throught immigration whilst long serving current staff were made to wait until the end, Not the first timeor last time that happened at FAO.If you ever travel ex FAO on ID90 keep an eye out for that and one reason why I now buy hotlines,
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At least there is hope! I forgot to tell this little story.
I was at the coffee shop in the CRC today and some crew were discussing this issue - saying how dangerous it will be to crew aircraft with pilots and office staff - what if something happens - a fairly young crew turned around and said to them that many pilots have military training and everyone will undergo same training as crew do and that he personally would feel a lot safer having pilots and newly trained people on the aircraft rather than some crew who can't even locate a BCF - less know how to use one.
I was at the coffee shop in the CRC today and some crew were discussing this issue - saying how dangerous it will be to crew aircraft with pilots and office staff - what if something happens - a fairly young crew turned around and said to them that many pilots have military training and everyone will undergo same training as crew do and that he personally would feel a lot safer having pilots and newly trained people on the aircraft rather than some crew who can't even locate a BCF - less know how to use one.
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OMG, I can see myself being barred from this thread yet again. 
Am I now discovering the real reason why cabin service is poor [in my personal experience, but only on LHR long-haul]?
Is this the 'primarily for your safety' message that those exhausted CC commuters convey as they stagger to their bunk, having chucked the meals at the pax?
I look forward to hearing a robust defence of the scenario described by "wascrew'.
Winston similarly there are many crew who drive considerable distances to work. A lot stopped flying from MAN when they had to pay for the car park there. As a result with a lot of ealrier reports these days some have been on the road since 3am . Hence the rush for the bunks at the earliest possible chance. However I bet they don`t mention any level of fatigue at report. Isnt it one of the criteria when signing it to be fit and well rested.
If the CAA got hold of how tired some crew are report time be it a day or night report they might insist on commuters finding hotel accomodation the night before a duty.
If the CAA got hold of how tired some crew are report time be it a day or night report they might insist on commuters finding hotel accomodation the night before a duty.
Is this the 'primarily for your safety' message that those exhausted CC commuters convey as they stagger to their bunk, having chucked the meals at the pax?
I look forward to hearing a robust defence of the scenario described by "wascrew'.
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Excellent first post!
I am CERTAIN that more than 99% of pilots DO NOT HATE cc. We have excellent working relationships onboard and good friendships on the ground.
However, these same pilots absolutely hate & detest a certain bunch of lying and mis-leading BASSA reps. ALL our anger is directed at them (and their often feeble-minded minions) - NOT at the genuinely decent and hard-working cabin crew such as yourself.
The lies and deceipt of these BASSa reps is directly threatening my job, my family and my pension.
That is why I have volunteered to do the 3-day cabin crew course, NOT because I do not like cabin crew.
Excellent first post!
I am CERTAIN that more than 99% of pilots DO NOT HATE cc. We have excellent working relationships onboard and good friendships on the ground.
However, these same pilots absolutely hate & detest a certain bunch of lying and mis-leading BASSA reps. ALL our anger is directed at them (and their often feeble-minded minions) - NOT at the genuinely decent and hard-working cabin crew such as yourself.
The lies and deceipt of these BASSa reps is directly threatening my job, my family and my pension.
That is why I have volunteered to do the 3-day cabin crew course, NOT because I do not like cabin crew.
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I'm just a passenger but have been following this thread with interest. Daughter gets married in 2012 and we have been looking at honeymoon, 1st question she asks is "who's the flight with" Several have been with ** which is an American airline, forget that one Dad! Why I say. "I'm British Dad and want to fly BA, simples" God love her!! Best of luck to you all, keep the flag flying!
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@ winstonsmith ...
Is anyone surprised by that?
The "useless ['insert expletive'] BA Management" have seen this coming for a lonnnnng time, and have had their plans in place for a similar period.
If BA is ever going to save the company, and the [£1m a day?] losses, they have to play every card in the book. It seems to me that BASSA has just one card, which is strike action. My money is on BA.
BA have started to contact previous temporary crew and given them offers on a mixed fleet to commence this summer.
The "useless ['insert expletive'] BA Management" have seen this coming for a lonnnnng time, and have had their plans in place for a similar period.
If BA is ever going to save the company, and the [£1m a day?] losses, they have to play every card in the book. It seems to me that BASSA has just one card, which is strike action. My money is on BA.
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1st Feb Royal Courts of Justice
Can anyone confirm in which court the Unite v BA case is to be heard on Monday 1st Feb? I have failed to find it on the Courtservice website.
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Yes, Stoic, interesting.
I looked and couldn't see anything either. Last judgement was handed down from High Court of Justice, Queen's Bench Division, so I looked there first. Nothing listed.
Checked other court dockets too, but couldn't see anything. Could have missed the small print though.
I looked and couldn't see anything either. Last judgement was handed down from High Court of Justice, Queen's Bench Division, so I looked there first. Nothing listed.
Checked other court dockets too, but couldn't see anything. Could have missed the small print though.
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I think its a big decision voting yes for a strike as it could backfire not on the union of course (they are fine on their 6 figure salaries), but its members - what happens if BASSA has not set out all the risks and you lose your jobs, lose staff travel & end up poorer from not earning salary whilst the strike goes on ... meanwhile the airline keeps running with the cabin crew/BA employees/other staff that WW gets in. You are braver than me!
Oh yes, remember who ultimately pays your wages - customers ... and their patience has worn thin along time ago. Saying that, on their day BA cabin crew are the best in the industry
use the vote wisely
Oh yes, remember who ultimately pays your wages - customers ... and their patience has worn thin along time ago. Saying that, on their day BA cabin crew are the best in the industry
use the vote wisely
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court case
I have searched the Courtservice site and nothing appears. Could easily be my technical incompetence of course, but another explanation may be that BASSA has backed off. Any Bassa - MissM perhaps? - care to comment?
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