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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:02
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By voting yes the city will start asking question about exactly who is running this airline and the fact that we are fighting for our future...
I didn't think there was any question about that. The Airline is run by Mr Walsh on behalf of the shareholders and the Board. I suspect the City is well aware of that fact, as it is well documented at Companies House and other places.

The perception that BASSA and Unite run the airline is undocumented, lies outwith Company Law and, I suspect, strikes a degree of nervousness in the City.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:03
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Originally Posted by Flying_Chick
By voting yes the city will start asking question about exactly who is running this airline and the fact that we are fighting for our future...
I think the City are fairly certain about who is running things now. Did you see the share price plummet when the CC announced their second ballot and BA asked for volunteers to strike break.......No. Neither did I. That's all you need to know about the City's view.
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A flying shame for British Airways | Guardian careers | guardian.co.uk

we are simply the best...
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By voting yes the city will start asking question about exactly who is running this airline and the fact that we are fighting for our future
Good grief...! That's a new one at least.

I have thought for a while now that many voters had little grasp of what they were actually voting for, you dont even seem to know what your Union says you are voting for, as twisted as their statements are "sending a message to the city" is a classic.

Have you looked at BA's share price recently by the way?
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:11
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In lieu of a reply from the poster, I think KitKat was alluding to the fact that if there is a 'Yes' vote, it means tha BA have a good chance of destroying BASSA and getting rid of militant CC once and for all, whilst maintaining a service through the use of volunteers to man aircraft.

I believe Kitkat knew exactly what they were saying i.e. they want to get rid of the militants and for BA to prosper. Some people believe that a Yes vote will help this along.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:13
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we are simply the best
OK, lets address this for a moment shall we.
Some BA cabin crew are indeed the best, some are quite frankly bloody terrible. Overall you come out somewhat average in my experience, which I am sad to say actually - it's a shame, I'm British and would quite like my national carrier to be the best.

Do you fly BA, as a passanger, and with your rivals regularly, I do....

I have been on some flights, BA and others, when I would have been better off with no crew and a vending machine frankly.

A better approach to all this agro would have been to raise your game lots, raise your employers revenue then go in saying "look what we did" - Then argue for changes to T's&C's...
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:14
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So, even from your friends at the Guardian;

We can feel reassured that senior executives at BA would not approve such action if they felt for a moment that passenger safety was at risk,
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Walsh may hold onto customers, but if the reaction to this crisis is badly handled, he may face losing his staff instead.
I can think of a fairly decent chunk of staff that BA and it's passengers would gladly 'lose' to be honest.

The angry CSD who says he/she earns more money through their sideline in the potato world would be good start...
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:16
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It does concern me somewhat that you hear some CC say that they deserve such generous salaries and T & Cs because they're better than everyone else. You aren't, you really aren't. I like BA, but some people really need a reality check on this.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:23
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It does concern me somewhat that you hear some CC say that they deserve such generous salaries and T & Cs because they're better than everyone else. You aren't, you really aren't. I like BA, but some people really need a reality check on this.
Part of the problem is that throughout the decades, legion upon legion of cabin crew 'managers' have fed them this bull about them being the best, in order to pacify the crew community, because the managers have always used a ridiculously fluffy and gentle manner with the crew, because often they are dealing with prima donnas akin to Violet Beauregarde or Violet Elizabeth Bott, and the trouble is, after a while crew start truly believing it. (well, crew that haven't worked anywhere else anyway)
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In lieu of a reply from the poster, I think KitKat was alluding to the fact that if there is a 'Yes' vote, it means tha BA have a good chance of destroying BASSA and getting rid of militant CC once and for all, whilst maintaining a service through the use of volunteers to man aircraft.
I believe Kitkat knew exactly what they were saying i.e. they want to get rid of the militants and for BA to prosper. Some people believe that a Yes vote will help this along.
My apologies to KitKat if that's the case. I re-read that post several times before reacting. Smilies are helpful when HEAVY sarcasm is involved!

Meanwhile, as I noted earlier:
It seems to me that many customers have commented here, and elsewhere, about declining standards of service on BA. On the premise that the dire emergencies so often referred to hardly ever happen [I have never, ever seen even a minor one], there are a couple of simple questions I would pose:
  1. Leaving aside emergencies, why are the standards of service to passengers perceived to be falling?
  2. Why is it necessary to over-crew the aircraft beyond the legislative safety requirement if not to provide better service?
Sorry to be awkward, but there is a core issue being lost in all the rhetoric.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:24
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By voting yes the city will start asking question about exactly who is running this airline and the fact that we are fighting for our future...
Just like they did last time. I think they got their answer then.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:33
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Flying Chick,

You are so correct, the tiny imposition made by BA to your amazingly generous T & C's is becoming very boring to everyone.

If the expected strike was about something serious there would be more support from other airline workers and the general public. We all know what the root of the problem really is.,NF.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:35
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BASSA wants crewing levels to go back to as they were before because it is not safe or healthy.

Has BASSA ever during this dispute suggested that LGW should get more crew on their aircraft?
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:36
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From that Grauniad article....

passenger groups have raised concerns about in-flight safety,
Who? What? Passenger group?
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:37
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Flying chick's 'Gruadian' article

Yet, as an employer, BA has a responsibility to its staff. People are, and should be, at the heart of any organisation. The success of a business is heavily dependent on staff happiness, morale and job satisfaction.
Supporting BA employees through all this turmoil has to be a priority for Walsh and his management team.
For once the dear old 'Gruadian' (my spelling), has it right. WW & his team are supporting the majority of BA employees who are loyal to BA & want the company to survive. These same loyal employees will be the ones who turn up for work whilst the BASSA strikers freeze on the picket line.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:37
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I can't help but laugh at following statement given by UNITE.

It is a sad indictment when the leadership team of our company is determined to drive basic rights backwards to the 19th century rather than their staff forward into a brighter 21st century future.

That's rich coming from a union still living in the '70s - maybe they should also drive forward into a brighter 21st century.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:39
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Is it just me, or does that photo caption appear to be overtly disingenuous?

A flying shame for British Airways | Guardian careers | guardian.co.uk

A pilot being trained on a British Airways flight training simulator. The airline claims it could get pilots meeting safety standards within five days.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:43
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3 Days Actually
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 16:43
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By the way, is this the anti-BA, scathing article on the whole question of using other staff that we had been told was on the way in the Guardian? Bit of a letdown really isn't it?
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I THINK WE ARE UP TO 22,222 VOLUNTEERS NOW

GO PCC!!!!!
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