British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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what a great post.
As a spouse of a 40 year serving BA husband from being a post boy to through various departments - who 4 years then had 'no job' and had to take a position in ground staff at T5 and who has now taken part time working with a reduction of half his salary which was not that great to start with but has never once thought about striking - his reaction to this is 'sack the lot of them'.
What about the passengers; cruises to meet up with, re-unions, hotels and cars paid for. Do these CC have any soul? Don't they know the difference between right and wrong - this is wrong - if you want to strike do it when it doesn't affect so many people's lives. If there is a BA next year it will be a miracle - companies cannot survive on thin air - what planet on CC on - there is a recession. I run a small company and our staff have been told no bonuses, no pay rises and no christmas party and bless them they all said as one 'we are happy just to still have our jobs' which is why we have done this. Pay now suffer later. Get real - I always support BA but I cannot this time its a very sad day when the company's own staff pull the plug.
As a spouse of a 40 year serving BA husband from being a post boy to through various departments - who 4 years then had 'no job' and had to take a position in ground staff at T5 and who has now taken part time working with a reduction of half his salary which was not that great to start with but has never once thought about striking - his reaction to this is 'sack the lot of them'.
What about the passengers; cruises to meet up with, re-unions, hotels and cars paid for. Do these CC have any soul? Don't they know the difference between right and wrong - this is wrong - if you want to strike do it when it doesn't affect so many people's lives. If there is a BA next year it will be a miracle - companies cannot survive on thin air - what planet on CC on - there is a recession. I run a small company and our staff have been told no bonuses, no pay rises and no christmas party and bless them they all said as one 'we are happy just to still have our jobs' which is why we have done this. Pay now suffer later. Get real - I always support BA but I cannot this time its a very sad day when the company's own staff pull the plug.
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70's retoric from McClusky, I thought I had gone back to the bad old days. Only those who wanted some action seem to have gone to Sandown, did no one stand up against this action.
Sack those going on strike, some will win their case for wrongfull dismissal but overall cheaper to BA than redundancies.
Never in my 49 years have I seen the public so against a group of workers for going on strike or will the CC claim that WW owns the media.
Sack those going on strike, some will win their case for wrongfull dismissal but overall cheaper to BA than redundancies.
Never in my 49 years have I seen the public so against a group of workers for going on strike or will the CC claim that WW owns the media.
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Having received and seen a number of messages shooting anyone down in flames who dared support this strike, I am now convinced that a section of people who write about this only have an opinion that serves their own self interest.
I was lucky enough to work with BA CC for many years. If you have not been there, then by definition your opinion is only based on 3rd party info.
92% voted yes. Probably more of a cry for help, but a significant one. Surely that tells an intelligent person something.
BA staff are tired of taking lessons from Management who have lost the company millions over the years. Remember dirty tricks, cargo fiddles, terminal 5. There are other management nasties I could mention, but some of you are not even worth the debate.
I was lucky enough to work with BA CC for many years. If you have not been there, then by definition your opinion is only based on 3rd party info.
92% voted yes. Probably more of a cry for help, but a significant one. Surely that tells an intelligent person something.
BA staff are tired of taking lessons from Management who have lost the company millions over the years. Remember dirty tricks, cargo fiddles, terminal 5. There are other management nasties I could mention, but some of you are not even worth the debate.
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here here couldn't have put it better myself. I am so angry that they can put the whole airline at risk - my husband could be out of a job as a consequence .... shame on you all.
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"If you faced evacuation on a flight, who would you entrust to get you out safely. BA CC or Low Cost Airline."
That's a no brainer - Low Cost everytime. Low Cost = CC who fly because they enjoy it, they’re always more fun, helpful and informative than 99% of BA economy CC. After a decade of flying on a weekly basis on almost all the airlines, and in economy to first, if something went wrong on a trip across to Nice (as an example) I'd always want an Easy Jet CC to be there rather than a BA CC one who felt s/he was worth more than European routes with economy passengers.
The psychology surrounding BA is just unbelievable, as evidenced by the above comment. I stopped booking flights with BA for the Christmas period about 6 weeks ago and advised friends and family to do the same. At a rough calculation between them they've spent circa £50-60k with other airlines instead. If you think that you can't go bust because you're BA think again.
You have pulled a blinder though, you've now lost the support of the one group that could have saved you - your customers.
Enjoy your 12 days off pondering what you'd like as a new career. I hear Morrisons are recruiting, just the pay, prestige and travel may not be up to your liking.
That's a no brainer - Low Cost everytime. Low Cost = CC who fly because they enjoy it, they’re always more fun, helpful and informative than 99% of BA economy CC. After a decade of flying on a weekly basis on almost all the airlines, and in economy to first, if something went wrong on a trip across to Nice (as an example) I'd always want an Easy Jet CC to be there rather than a BA CC one who felt s/he was worth more than European routes with economy passengers.
The psychology surrounding BA is just unbelievable, as evidenced by the above comment. I stopped booking flights with BA for the Christmas period about 6 weeks ago and advised friends and family to do the same. At a rough calculation between them they've spent circa £50-60k with other airlines instead. If you think that you can't go bust because you're BA think again.
You have pulled a blinder though, you've now lost the support of the one group that could have saved you - your customers.
Enjoy your 12 days off pondering what you'd like as a new career. I hear Morrisons are recruiting, just the pay, prestige and travel may not be up to your liking.
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"Well for this customer with 30 transatlantic legs so far this year, the decision to move from BA is pretty easy.
I can actually live with a strike. But for cabin crew to vote to strike at xmas is just mean, whatever their reasons.
And it's a good enough reason to take my £30,000 travel budget somewhere else, whether you now do strike or don't because of all the heartache you've caused ordinary people.
And there are people all over the country just like me who are thinking exactly the same thing. Whether you now strike or not, I think that by this one act you may just have consigned BA to history."
I can actually live with a strike. But for cabin crew to vote to strike at xmas is just mean, whatever their reasons.
And it's a good enough reason to take my £30,000 travel budget somewhere else, whether you now do strike or don't because of all the heartache you've caused ordinary people.
And there are people all over the country just like me who are thinking exactly the same thing. Whether you now strike or not, I think that by this one act you may just have consigned BA to history."
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Not bye bye BA,
Bye bye BASSA.
Believe me, when these idiots are out of the door the whole airline will breath a collective sigh of relief and then we can get back to the business of giving the passengers and customers what they want. A reliable, good and consistent service that is there for the benefit of the customer.
It has been a long time coming and, if finally achieved, will be welcomed by the majority of the 'other' BA staff who are desperately trying to keep this great airline on track.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omellete!
Bye bye BASSA, you won't be missed.
Bye bye BASSA.
Believe me, when these idiots are out of the door the whole airline will breath a collective sigh of relief and then we can get back to the business of giving the passengers and customers what they want. A reliable, good and consistent service that is there for the benefit of the customer.
It has been a long time coming and, if finally achieved, will be welcomed by the majority of the 'other' BA staff who are desperately trying to keep this great airline on track.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omellete!
Bye bye BASSA, you won't be missed.
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Be careful with what you say, FL370. Customers are totally disillusioned with the BA cabin crews' arrogance.
If we vote with our credit cards you could be out of a job in your front office sooner than you think.
If we vote with our credit cards you could be out of a job in your front office sooner than you think.
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I shouldn't worry about it being on YouTube if I were them. The football supporter like reaction has been on Sky News for a while now. You wonder how long it will take for them to realise that the linesman has got his flag up...
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I totally agree with Skipness. The union and staff have a deluded view that the company will keep trading whatever happens. The are also wrong if they think the traveling public have sympathy. When a flight has been cancelled anger will be directed towards the brand at worst or the union/cabin crew at best. They will not sit around having had their travel plans disrupted and say "those poor cabin crew". BA staff have pay and perks from another era. Nobody wants to see pay cut, but in 2009 Ryanair, Easy, Emirates and Virgin pay far less. BA is not going to survive with this structure and all staff will be unemployed. Wake up! This company is a private company the Government is not going to step in and save it. Look what happened to Rover. Where the hell do they think the money is going to come from to plug the massive pension hole or return the carrier to profit? It's simple economics. The airline is losing massive amounts of money and this cannot continue without the airline going bust. The unions have no answer to this, because the only way is cost saving. I'm one of the SLF who pays the fare which pays CC wages. For years I was a loyal BA customer taking between 10 -20 flights a year. Not a huge number, but that is lost business. I have not flow BA since 2006 because of the threat of industrial unrest and seeing other carriers service as a result of avoiding BA. In that time I have taken 32 flights, all of which I had the choice of using BA and decided not to. I'm flying to Miami on the 22nd December...with Virgin. Thank God I made that booking. The CC and the Union need to face the reality of the modern airline business. I enjoyed flying BA, but the experience was unreliable. I would come back if it was reliable again, but I fear we will all be flying Luthansa from T5 after they buy what remains. Wise up ALL jobs will be lost if the Union maintains this stance. The irony is that the leaders will still be sitting pretty with their Union roles at Unite. A job in the current climate is better than no job.
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Cameras must have been out somewhere, and in this day and age lots of things end up on 'YouTube'. I really don't know why they are all so surprised the meeting ended up on YouTube, because a lot of people were always going to be interested in what went on.
Although i don't know which 'version' it was that got posted on there (BASSA) . Hope it was the 'truthful' one!
Although i don't know which 'version' it was that got posted on there (BASSA) . Hope it was the 'truthful' one!
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The reported attidude and status in BA of some senior BASSA representatives brings to mind the old perversion of the Red Flag:
What do they care for the mass of workers, with a nice financial cushion to tide them over a few days without pay.
Does anyone know if members of the BASSA leadership are scheduled to report for work on the first few days of the strike, or have they all arranged to arrive back in the UK that morning, in Tokyo or Sydney, or be otherwise legitimately not required to report for duty?
The membership should realise that they, not the leadership, are the union. A leadership that cannot accept, and respond effectively to, dissent is not worthy of office or the support of its electorate.
The working class can kiss my a***,
I've got the foreman's job at last, ...
I've got the foreman's job at last, ...
Does anyone know if members of the BASSA leadership are scheduled to report for work on the first few days of the strike, or have they all arranged to arrive back in the UK that morning, in Tokyo or Sydney, or be otherwise legitimately not required to report for duty?
The membership should realise that they, not the leadership, are the union. A leadership that cannot accept, and respond effectively to, dissent is not worthy of office or the support of its electorate.
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Cameras must have been out somewhere, and in this day and age lots of things end up on 'YouTube'. I really don't know why they are all so surprised the meeting ended up on YouTube, because a lot of people were always going to be interested in what went on.
Although i don't know which 'version' it was that got posted on there (BASSA) . Hope it was the 'truthful' one!
Although i don't know which 'version' it was that got posted on there (BASSA) . Hope it was the 'truthful' one!
The Truthful one?
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The law states you only need give staff 60 days notice of change of their terms and conditions. So at any time in the last 9 months the management could have forced the changes through, but they didn't because they wanted to disscuss it with the union. I am not CC or even in the airline industry but only SLF.
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Incredible how BA's cabin crew have been taken in by militant, rabble-rousing Union reps. And that Liverpudlian boasts about how many strikes he has been involved in ? Some saviour he is.
It's sad that the commercial reality that BA finds itself in is not understood by the majority of BA's CC. Imposition or no imposition of new working practices, BA is mired in the sh*t with the pension deficit.
If BA collapses and a new airline is formed from the ashes, you can be assured CC salaries will be half of what they are now. Turkeys voting for Christmas is the most appropriate analogy.
The public are not on your side CC in the current economic environment. You've picked the wrong hand to go all in with and you're going to cut your nose off to spite your face.
Don't think for one minute your Union leaders or WW are going to suffer in the same way you are. Best of luck, your fellow workers in different departments are going to despise you, the public will and YOU WILL LOSE.
It's sad that the commercial reality that BA finds itself in is not understood by the majority of BA's CC. Imposition or no imposition of new working practices, BA is mired in the sh*t with the pension deficit.
If BA collapses and a new airline is formed from the ashes, you can be assured CC salaries will be half of what they are now. Turkeys voting for Christmas is the most appropriate analogy.
The public are not on your side CC in the current economic environment. You've picked the wrong hand to go all in with and you're going to cut your nose off to spite your face.
Don't think for one minute your Union leaders or WW are going to suffer in the same way you are. Best of luck, your fellow workers in different departments are going to despise you, the public will and YOU WILL LOSE.
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There is something peculiar here...
On this forum there is virtually not a single CC member who is FOR the strike, mainly SLF (like me) and CC members who are frustrated and angry at the strike.
Yet in the press there is little or no mention of all those CC members who are volunteering to break the strike. As an example BA seeks injunction to stop Christmas strike - Telegraph
The unions claim over 90% support for a strike of those who voted, so a vast majority of the full BA CC population should be for a strike, yet they seem silent here.
On this forum there is virtually not a single CC member who is FOR the strike, mainly SLF (like me) and CC members who are frustrated and angry at the strike.
Yet in the press there is little or no mention of all those CC members who are volunteering to break the strike. As an example BA seeks injunction to stop Christmas strike - Telegraph
The unions claim over 90% support for a strike of those who voted, so a vast majority of the full BA CC population should be for a strike, yet they seem silent here.
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