British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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To All Bassa Members
Your current leaders asked, on a show of hands at the previous Sandown meeting, amidst much hoopla about balloting for IA, for elections to be delayed so they could "finish the job".
Well now that they've shown that their version of this is an illegal ballot and a disgustingly over-the-top strike call, which has resulted in the humiliation and villification of you all, do you not think now is the right time to replace them with people who have no ulterior motive than to serve your needs and negotiate sensibly with your employer?
Call for BASSA elections now, and see how quickly they try and silence you. And they complain about the lack of DEMOCRACY.
Well now that they've shown that their version of this is an illegal ballot and a disgustingly over-the-top strike call, which has resulted in the humiliation and villification of you all, do you not think now is the right time to replace them with people who have no ulterior motive than to serve your needs and negotiate sensibly with your employer?
Call for BASSA elections now, and see how quickly they try and silence you. And they complain about the lack of DEMOCRACY.
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To all celebrating
Why do you all claim this to be a good result. Is it only me that can see that this is far from over. Go onto the BASSA or CF forums (even if you dont agree with them). The people on there ARE crew and they seem to be shouting very loudly about recieving NEW ballot papers.
So this dispute gets dragged into the new year, forward bookings will carry on suffering ( who in their right mind would book in the new year with BA as the union are threatening with reballot) and you call this a success?????
Success would have been that WW and Tony woodley had agreed a mutually acceptable agreement. NOTHING ELSE. (funny how as soon as the ruling was official ww walked out of talks
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This just drags it on for many more weeks/months.
If as you all claim u are worried about your future, NOW is the time to start worrying.
So this dispute gets dragged into the new year, forward bookings will carry on suffering ( who in their right mind would book in the new year with BA as the union are threatening with reballot) and you call this a success?????
Success would have been that WW and Tony woodley had agreed a mutually acceptable agreement. NOTHING ELSE. (funny how as soon as the ruling was official ww walked out of talks
).This just drags it on for many more weeks/months.
If as you all claim u are worried about your future, NOW is the time to start worrying.
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Im not sure where you have got this info from, but rep elections were held and results were released an dec 2nd or 3rd.
Am still waiting for your answer to whether it is correct to call people who have a different opinion to you "scum" or "morons"?
Am still waiting for your answer to whether it is correct to call people who have a different opinion to you "scum" or "morons"?
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Do not forget that the people active on the internet are always the most involved. I do not think you can actually defer anything from that. Let's just see where this all ends. My guess, negotiated settlement with a couple of token victories by BASSA (selected by WW though).
But then again, my guess is only as good as yours...
But then again, my guess is only as good as yours...
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From another place...
"How did this happen?
feel a mixture of emotion at the moment-happy that everyones christmas is back on (altho i doubt ours will b as im sure we still wont get our leave on hold granted)
I just feel silly-4 2 days i hve had the biggest disscussion on facebook (which i now kno i sldnt of lowered myself 2, but felt very strong about it) with 2 of my cousins who quite frankly bullied & harrast me & personally persicuted me about our actions. I hve vowed now to remove them frm my fb & not spk to the again as i hve felt so stressed & upset by their comments over the last 2 days.
Im sorry if i sound negative on here, but feel like i hve made a fool of myself 4 feeling so strong.
I kno & appreciate how hard our unions work, but i really dont kno how to feel about it right now-apart frm sad.
Of course there is 2 sides to every story & hope ill feel better once we kno more. xx"
Well BASSA, from the illiteracy of the above posting you still get monkies even if you pay them £60,000pa.
feel a mixture of emotion at the moment-happy that everyones christmas is back on (altho i doubt ours will b as im sure we still wont get our leave on hold granted)
I just feel silly-4 2 days i hve had the biggest disscussion on facebook (which i now kno i sldnt of lowered myself 2, but felt very strong about it) with 2 of my cousins who quite frankly bullied & harrast me & personally persicuted me about our actions. I hve vowed now to remove them frm my fb & not spk to the again as i hve felt so stressed & upset by their comments over the last 2 days.
Im sorry if i sound negative on here, but feel like i hve made a fool of myself 4 feeling so strong.
I kno & appreciate how hard our unions work, but i really dont kno how to feel about it right now-apart frm sad.
Of course there is 2 sides to every story & hope ill feel better once we kno more. xx"
Well BASSA, from the illiteracy of the above posting you still get monkies even if you pay them £60,000pa.
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I've no doubt on cf and bassa site their screaming for new ballot papers. The prob unite have is the soon to be arriving damages claim from BA and the prospect of being on strike when a court rules that the posed changes are within the rights of BA to do without an alteration of contractual agreements.
Unite, like new labour, may spout about looking after the working man but they never put that man before themselves. Unite is staring down the barrell of a financial shotgun and they just gave the shooters to big Willie walsh. The only thing they will be caring about in the next few weeks is their cushy positions. I expect a face saving deal. Time will tell.
Unite, like new labour, may spout about looking after the working man but they never put that man before themselves. Unite is staring down the barrell of a financial shotgun and they just gave the shooters to big Willie walsh. The only thing they will be caring about in the next few weeks is their cushy positions. I expect a face saving deal. Time will tell.
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Really I am bemused.
A major UK airline has gone bankrupt, thousands of passengers are stranded, and the BA cc STILL believe they are untouchable!
A major UK airline has gone bankrupt, thousands of passengers are stranded, and the BA cc STILL believe they are untouchable!
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I hope everyone who is sceaming about wanting a new ballot will actually take the trouble to read the details of the court ruling and get some facts instead of the Bassa spin - what a monumental cock-up on their part. The mass brainwashing by Bassa and the filtering of the hard facts beggars belief and people are swallowing it whole.
I hope the chairwoman will finally find some humility to hold her hand up and apologise
I hope the chairwoman will finally find some humility to hold her hand up and apologise
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The heavy heavy
you could try this
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angry......
humour
If I`m honest I`m not too happy with Unite...BUT we must re-ballot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Been with this company 25 years and I`M NOT going to let WW and his bunch of idiots ruin our company. We know we are right. Never have I felt so passionate about the wonderful crew that it is my pleasure to work with. We have seen WW in his true colours.... COME ON BASSA lets get it right this time.......ONCE MORE WITH FEELING!!!!!!!!!!!!! When the going gets tough................To any of you that are scared or worried or dis-heartened then come to the next union meeting. Together we can win xx
How does BASSA feel?
As gutted as you. Shocked and suspicious that a judge can over turn a massive yes on a technicality. We were told we had to ballot all those who may be asked to participate in the ballot. On the day we chose to make the snapshot of the database (which we had to do by law to inform BA of numbers) there were still members who had not yet had their VR confirmed. Legal advice then said they had to get a ballot. 2 days after the ballot was sent BA gave confirmation (strange that - don't you think?) We were now in a Catch 22 scenario. To send out a generic public message telling them not to vote would have alerted BA that something was amiss.
The big question - why choose 12 days?
Anything less and we would not have won. We knew WW had prepared for 3 days so we had to go longer. The intention was to win this dispute (still is actually) and that meant going for the jugular. Walsh was rocked by the decision and let me tell you before the judge made her undemocratic decision he was under immense pressure. The judge saved his bacon...for now.
UNITE has decided that reballoting is quicker and more productive than an appeal which could take 3 months.
Yes we did lose the PR initiative and that IS Unite's fault and I have told them. We were not helped by BA taking the media out to lunch last week and feeding them utter garbage which the press were only too eager to print without checking. The reporting has been disgraceful (excepting the Guardian who took time to check both sides) and negatively turned the public perception while Unite were still in their starting blocks.
A letter would have cut this off at the pass but, it has to be said some elements of UNITE will not be told and think they know crew as well as us.
But the good news is we come back more determined and educated by our mistakes.
I personally have learnt quite a bit this last few weeks. Firstly what a privilege it is to represent you. You delivering those two yes votes of 96.1% in 2007 and 92.49% this week were the proudest moments of my professional life. Secondly just how low BA will stoop to ensure their bullying suceeds - I refer to the Daily Mail being given our personal details. Thirdly, never to believe anything I hear or see in the media again and lastly just how hard it is to take industrial action in this country and just how hostile the public can be.
The reps are meeting en masse on Monday - you will see the joint general secretaries have already announced a re-ballot so the fight has to and will go on.
Let's not look back except to learn and let's not recriminate. This will still be the biggest battle and it is one that has to be won. When you get your ballot paper do not be frightened by the prospect of striking for12 days. Yes it is a long time, but that is what it will take to shift Walsh's mindset. You have to remember we are dealing with a man who has said negotiation gets you nowhere.
I hope my reply answers a few points brought up in the thread. I've written it quickly, please excuse grammar and spelling.
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As gutted as you. Shocked and suspicious that a judge can over turn a massive yes on a technicality. We were told we had to ballot all those who may be asked to participate in the ballot. On the day we chose to make the snapshot of the database (which we had to do by law to inform BA of numbers) there were still members who had not yet had their VR confirmed. Legal advice then said they had to get a ballot. 2 days after the ballot was sent BA gave confirmation (strange that - don't you think?) We were now in a Catch 22 scenario. To send out a generic public message telling them not to vote would have alerted BA that something was amiss.
The big question - why choose 12 days?
Anything less and we would not have won. We knew WW had prepared for 3 days so we had to go longer. The intention was to win this dispute (still is actually) and that meant going for the jugular. Walsh was rocked by the decision and let me tell you before the judge made her undemocratic decision he was under immense pressure. The judge saved his bacon...for now.
UNITE has decided that reballoting is quicker and more productive than an appeal which could take 3 months.
Yes we did lose the PR initiative and that IS Unite's fault and I have told them. We were not helped by BA taking the media out to lunch last week and feeding them utter garbage which the press were only too eager to print without checking. The reporting has been disgraceful (excepting the Guardian who took time to check both sides) and negatively turned the public perception while Unite were still in their starting blocks.
A letter would have cut this off at the pass but, it has to be said some elements of UNITE will not be told and think they know crew as well as us.
But the good news is we come back more determined and educated by our mistakes.
I personally have learnt quite a bit this last few weeks. Firstly what a privilege it is to represent you. You delivering those two yes votes of 96.1% in 2007 and 92.49% this week were the proudest moments of my professional life. Secondly just how low BA will stoop to ensure their bullying suceeds - I refer to the Daily Mail being given our personal details. Thirdly, never to believe anything I hear or see in the media again and lastly just how hard it is to take industrial action in this country and just how hostile the public can be.
The reps are meeting en masse on Monday - you will see the joint general secretaries have already announced a re-ballot so the fight has to and will go on.
Let's not look back except to learn and let's not recriminate. This will still be the biggest battle and it is one that has to be won. When you get your ballot paper do not be frightened by the prospect of striking for12 days. Yes it is a long time, but that is what it will take to shift Walsh's mindset. You have to remember we are dealing with a man who has said negotiation gets you nowhere.
I hope my reply answers a few points brought up in the thread. I've written it quickly, please excuse grammar and spelling.
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maybe more balanced
have flown with a few people who were not happy about the 12 day strike. One even commented he regretted voting yes. I don't know what the action will be after this but if we re ballot and get less people voting yes we will have a bigger problem in our hands and our Union knows this. Very Sad day indeed. We need to cool off and put the thinking caps on.
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I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAD how could this happen.
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I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAD how could this happen.
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Willie Walsh is probably giving her one!!!! Or First flights for life! Wouldnt put it past the low life piece of ****e! And as for that Simon Calder on Sky news, Id like to smash his ugly face in!
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Am still waiting for your answer to whether it is correct to call people who have a different opinion to you "scum" or "morons"?
up has every right to consider you in one, other or both groups.If, for some reason, you find that surprising, don't forget to share with all of your passengers from December 22nd onwards just how keen you were to "send Willie a message" using them as the ammunition.
Regarding the BASSA elections, it was never publicised. Could you point me to a link, or perhaps just confirm that you actually voted to re-elect the very woman whose complete lack of understanding of employment law was a major component in the collapse of this misguided strike bid?
Because if it was, only God can help you. And I'll go back and edit that part out of my message.
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Here are a few for you:
"un-f**king-believable"
"I hope the union have something up their sleeve to turn this into a positive spin for us. God knows we need it."
"how can unite keep making these mistakes?"
"BASSA i thought you were prepared for this"
"As we can't strike now until February I guess we can only hope the court case goes in our favour. Started to question that now as it seems Unite has a history of cock-ups. "
"I suppose the judge didn't want to be the judge that failed to save christmas...
Extremely disappointed.
Where's my new ballot please?"
"how crap can a union be!!!
that after giving in over EG300, the pension and the associated failed strike, the lie about agreeing paying for an add enough is enough!!
the reps did a magnificient job but it's time to change Union !!!!"
"I know it's awful but all those smug passengers being interviewed in the Mail calling crew sky waiters and saying crew should be sacked...wouldn't feel sorry for them if it snows and they can't fly, serves them right. "
"Typical BASSA mess"
An absolute Disgrace, 92% majority overturned, a sad day
for democracy. Unions in future will be looking over their shoulders every time workers now ballot to excise their right to withhold their labour.
A flipping joke, 92%, totally deflated.""
"The Next Ballot I'm voting YES
Are you ???"
Anyone able to quote from CrewForum then ?
Here are a few for you:
"un-f**king-believable"
"I hope the union have something up their sleeve to turn this into a positive spin for us. God knows we need it."
"how can unite keep making these mistakes?"
"BASSA i thought you were prepared for this"
"As we can't strike now until February I guess we can only hope the court case goes in our favour. Started to question that now as it seems Unite has a history of cock-ups. "
"I suppose the judge didn't want to be the judge that failed to save christmas...
Extremely disappointed.
Where's my new ballot please?"
"how crap can a union be!!!
that after giving in over EG300, the pension and the associated failed strike, the lie about agreeing paying for an add enough is enough!!
the reps did a magnificient job but it's time to change Union !!!!"
"I know it's awful but all those smug passengers being interviewed in the Mail calling crew sky waiters and saying crew should be sacked...wouldn't feel sorry for them if it snows and they can't fly, serves them right. "
"Typical BASSA mess"
An absolute Disgrace, 92% majority overturned, a sad day
for democracy. Unions in future will be looking over their shoulders every time workers now ballot to excise their right to withhold their labour.
A flipping joke, 92%, totally deflated.""
"The Next Ballot I'm voting YES
Are you ???"
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Well done BA !
Surely Malone and some of the BASSA team's position is now totally untenable and they should resign forthwith - they have made complete fools of their members, cost them a lot of money, time, bad PR and damaged their cause permanently ?? In particular, given Malone's actions were central to this vote being deemed illegal (as told by Da Dog's insider) ?
After all it was they who were calling for WW's resignation on the strength of a yes vote.....
Surely Malone and some of the BASSA team's position is now totally untenable and they should resign forthwith - they have made complete fools of their members, cost them a lot of money, time, bad PR and damaged their cause permanently ?? In particular, given Malone's actions were central to this vote being deemed illegal (as told by Da Dog's insider) ?
After all it was they who were calling for WW's resignation on the strength of a yes vote.....
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Thank heavens....
Oh joy, I get to spend Christmas with my daughter.
Whatever the "issues" troubling CC and the company there is no escaping the fact that to have called a 12 day strike over the festive period and thereby wrecking the time for soooo many people was nothing short of vindictive and cruel.
For all those who voted "yes" and indeed cheered and then went on to say how precious you all are and responsible for passenger safety I would suggest that malicious individuals such as yourselves would hardly be "selfless heroes" in time of emergency. You have shown yourselves for what you are, egocentric no-marks with little to no integrity.
To those real heros on here, Tiramisu et al, thank you for speaking out and putting your faith where your heart is, you are a credit to BA and indeed yourselves and the only true light to have shined.
This disgraceful episode will have done immense harm to BA's reputation, I only hope that over time it can be recovered, assuming the company can actually survive.
To the bad eggs, put your misplaced egos back in the box, shut up and serve the tea.
Merry Christmas to all the GOOD people out there.
Whatever the "issues" troubling CC and the company there is no escaping the fact that to have called a 12 day strike over the festive period and thereby wrecking the time for soooo many people was nothing short of vindictive and cruel.
For all those who voted "yes" and indeed cheered and then went on to say how precious you all are and responsible for passenger safety I would suggest that malicious individuals such as yourselves would hardly be "selfless heroes" in time of emergency. You have shown yourselves for what you are, egocentric no-marks with little to no integrity.
To those real heros on here, Tiramisu et al, thank you for speaking out and putting your faith where your heart is, you are a credit to BA and indeed yourselves and the only true light to have shined.
This disgraceful episode will have done immense harm to BA's reputation, I only hope that over time it can be recovered, assuming the company can actually survive.
To the bad eggs, put your misplaced egos back in the box, shut up and serve the tea.
Merry Christmas to all the GOOD people out there.