British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Seen in the window of a sweet and confectionery shop in the centre of Horsham:
"All BA staff are barred from this shop. Thanks for ruining my Christmas!"
...before anyone accuses the owner of "cutting off his nose to spite his face" think of what the cabin staff are doing and how this will affect the publics' perception of the whole of the Airline.
BA cabin staff have no chance of finding work with any other airline in the UK or the world after this episode. They would do well to hang onto any job they have with BA and accept the minor cuts caused by the recession.
"All BA staff are barred from this shop. Thanks for ruining my Christmas!"
...before anyone accuses the owner of "cutting off his nose to spite his face" think of what the cabin staff are doing and how this will affect the publics' perception of the whole of the Airline.
BA cabin staff have no chance of finding work with any other airline in the UK or the world after this episode. They would do well to hang onto any job they have with BA and accept the minor cuts caused by the recession.
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Presumably, if she's still on sick pay, she can man the barricades without any financial loss. Or perhaps it will qualify as union business?
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It's just not just LaLa Lady though.I can think of one particular rep on shorthaul who is a bully and a bit of a thug .I did a n/stop with him months ago and i was disgusted by his behaviour and opinions.One girl was having her say on something and he shot her down in flames and the other cabin crew just rallied round him they seemed to be scared of him.She was out on her own it was awful.We had a diffrent cabin crew the next day so i don't know how it ended.
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As I have only just said on another thread, he is, unknowingly, barring a large percentage of crew that are volunteering to work their days off to try to help him. The majority of crew at LGW are NOT striking. Unfortunately, the media aren't interested in that side of things.
Oh whats the point? I can't do this any more.....
Oh whats the point? I can't do this any more.....
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2 Points:
1. Apart from the CC Facebook page, not one shred of support for this debacle on any media medium you care to mention.
2. The aviation analysts on both the TV and radio are reporting 'other forces at work' amongst BASSA/Unite reps. The 'feeling' is swaying towrds the notion that.... "the Union has mislead it's members on a number of issues".... "This is not what BA CC wanted to sign up to"..
Disgraceful Union Leadership, IMHO. Inept, Amateurish, Spiteful. Classic champagne socialism.
(what a great smiley this is)
BTW Malone's conduct in all of this is about to be harpooned.
GF
1. Apart from the CC Facebook page, not one shred of support for this debacle on any media medium you care to mention.
2. The aviation analysts on both the TV and radio are reporting 'other forces at work' amongst BASSA/Unite reps. The 'feeling' is swaying towrds the notion that.... "the Union has mislead it's members on a number of issues".... "This is not what BA CC wanted to sign up to"..
Disgraceful Union Leadership, IMHO. Inept, Amateurish, Spiteful. Classic champagne socialism.
(what a great smiley this is)BTW Malone's conduct in all of this is about to be harpooned.
GF
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I think BA see this hearing as a win/win for the company.
If BA win, they can say they have done what was required to save a million Christmasses for its customers. It might also be able to claim damages from Unite if the judge agrees (unlikely I think, but it will be a concern to the union). The headlines will describe it as a victory for good sense and for business over the last of the antiquated union mindset.
BUT, it would mean Unite would be let off the hook and would possibly allow them a second chance, this time to try and get it right.
If BA lose they get the chance to take Bassa apart - there will be nothing else in the news bulletins over Christmas except the Queen's speech and pictures of kids crying in T5. There will be many cabin crew unable to fulfil a half hearted vote to strike, and along with many hundreds of volunteers Ba will be able to offer a schedule of some sort. That schedule will only increase day by day until there is a return to work, ("heads held high" etc) and Bassa will have contributed to a political battle within Unite itself, and gained nothing for its members.
Each cabin crew member still has an individual choice to make, and STILL has also the right to tell their union reps how to proceed. That dialogue should not stop and the membership should still vocalise its views.
If BA win, they can say they have done what was required to save a million Christmasses for its customers. It might also be able to claim damages from Unite if the judge agrees (unlikely I think, but it will be a concern to the union). The headlines will describe it as a victory for good sense and for business over the last of the antiquated union mindset.
BUT, it would mean Unite would be let off the hook and would possibly allow them a second chance, this time to try and get it right.
If BA lose they get the chance to take Bassa apart - there will be nothing else in the news bulletins over Christmas except the Queen's speech and pictures of kids crying in T5. There will be many cabin crew unable to fulfil a half hearted vote to strike, and along with many hundreds of volunteers Ba will be able to offer a schedule of some sort. That schedule will only increase day by day until there is a return to work, ("heads held high" etc) and Bassa will have contributed to a political battle within Unite itself, and gained nothing for its members.
Each cabin crew member still has an individual choice to make, and STILL has also the right to tell their union reps how to proceed. That dialogue should not stop and the membership should still vocalise its views.
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..you're right mm, but, a great many CC have been brainwashed - they seek no information other from BASSA sources . Many are un-willing to understand the issue. Why? dunno. It's so frustrating.
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. Many are un-willing to understand the issue. Why? dunno. It's so frustrating.GF
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So, if the strike lasts 12 days and BA crew are marooned in JFK/SYD/LAX ...
are the cabin crew still going to be on Allowances? Will BA pay for their hotel bill if they are not 'working'?
That will cost the crew a few bob I'll bet.
'Motel 6' is still quite reasonable in the States...!
A well thought out plan, methinks.......!!!!
Good Luck!
are the cabin crew still going to be on Allowances? Will BA pay for their hotel bill if they are not 'working'?
That will cost the crew a few bob I'll bet.
'Motel 6' is still quite reasonable in the States...!
A well thought out plan, methinks.......!!!!
Good Luck!
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So, if the strike lasts 12 days and BA crew are marooned in JFK/SYD/LAX ...
are the cabin crew still going to be on Allowances? Will BA pay for their hotel bill if they are not 'working'?
are the cabin crew still going to be on Allowances? Will BA pay for their hotel bill if they are not 'working'?
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Papillon your point would be valid if a suicidal strike call hadn't just cost BA tens of millions more in lost and cancelled bookings.
I would think there is no problem explaining that the situation is now worse and therefore payouts are lower.
What do you think?
I would think there is no problem explaining that the situation is now worse and therefore payouts are lower.
What do you think?
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Snas,
Wow, that is unbelieveable, but not unsurprising. Perhaps BA should refuse to pay, what could the CC do, go on strike perhaps!!
I wonder what the Mail would do with that little snippet!!
Wow, that is unbelieveable, but not unsurprising. Perhaps BA should refuse to pay, what could the CC do, go on strike perhaps!!
I wonder what the Mail would do with that little snippet!!
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Are we probably going to find out today if the strike will be allowed or not? I mean legally of course.
Happy holidays to all by the way that includes, strikers, sfl, non-strikers, fd, and all the others who are reading at this very moment
Happy holidays to all by the way that includes, strikers, sfl, non-strikers, fd, and all the others who are reading at this very moment
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APYu, any chance of a little more detail?
I suppose that this may be one of the reasons that they try to keep longhauls running, they can repatriate any strikers easier.
I suppose that this may be one of the reasons that they try to keep longhauls running, they can repatriate any strikers easier.
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There is very little chance of the judge granting an injunction.
BASSA did not make any legal errors. BASSA did not break any laws. BASSA may even have a point (to be decided by a judge in February).
BASSA just made a huge error in judgement how to execute any protest.
They may even win (God forbid) but I doubt they will enjoy their job afterwards. I suggest they read up on Pyrrhus of Epirus. I also hope that either Unite intervenes or that a lot of yes voters object to the use of their mandate with the union.
Best to write to Unite and ask them to control BASSA. Unite does not really want this either. It is hurting them big time.
BASSA did not make any legal errors. BASSA did not break any laws. BASSA may even have a point (to be decided by a judge in February).
BASSA just made a huge error in judgement how to execute any protest.
They may even win (God forbid) but I doubt they will enjoy their job afterwards. I suggest they read up on Pyrrhus of Epirus. I also hope that either Unite intervenes or that a lot of yes voters object to the use of their mandate with the union.
Best to write to Unite and ask them to control BASSA. Unite does not really want this either. It is hurting them big time.
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I am sorry but this is now getting stupid.
You spend nearly 200 pages encouraging crew to vote NO. When this does not succeed you encourage crew to break the strike. NOW you are saying that the crew that do turn up for work should be made to pay for hotels and/or recieve no allowances
I mean come on!!!! Do you actually know what you want?
You spend nearly 200 pages encouraging crew to vote NO. When this does not succeed you encourage crew to break the strike. NOW you are saying that the crew that do turn up for work should be made to pay for hotels and/or recieve no allowances
I mean come on!!!! Do you actually know what you want?
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Well first of all, those who are downroute at the time of the strike are normally not allowed to strike. The unions only ask those who are to depart the UK to strike and overseas crews are told to operate home normally.
But of course if no aircraft can go and get them then they would of course be stranded until an aircraft can arrive. But as the crew are overseas and performing duties for BA then the airline has responsibilities as their employer to ensure they are adequately cared for.
But of course if no aircraft can go and get them then they would of course be stranded until an aircraft can arrive. But as the crew are overseas and performing duties for BA then the airline has responsibilities as their employer to ensure they are adequately cared for.
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Post 5870 above
Would an outbound flight leave pre-strike if they knew that there was no cabin crew (and hence pax) available for the return leg?
OR Could the aircraft return empty with just pilots so at least its back at base AND it would have earned one revenue leg?
Just curious.
Would an outbound flight leave pre-strike if they knew that there was no cabin crew (and hence pax) available for the return leg?
OR Could the aircraft return empty with just pilots so at least its back at base AND it would have earned one revenue leg?
Just curious.
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BA would have to look after them under 'duty of care' obligations.
If this is not agreed, clearly the crew would not be obligated to operate back but if they chose that option, they would then be on their own ref A&A. Duty of Care would be unlikely to apply in that case as the crew would likely be "in breach of contract". Suffice to say, the lawyers would sort out any "breach of contract" after the event which wouldn't help crew at the time.