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With regard to disruption, no manager in BA could guarantee anything - extra MBT/Monies/etc,
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CFC,
What I am saying is that cc believe (still) that they can be fined by the union if they go against their orders. Examples would be in cases of disruption or discretion.
They may not have been threatened with fines directly from the union, but the union hasn't said that fines won't happen.
This may (or may not) clarify things for you.
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What I am saying is that cc believe (still) that they can be fined by the union if they go against their orders. Examples would be in cases of disruption or discretion.
They may not have been threatened with fines directly from the union, but the union hasn't said that fines won't happen.
This may (or may not) clarify things for you.
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Yet Again This Thread Is So Misinformed.....
I have read many posts from current BA Crew and those 'outsiders' like Desertia who take an interest in what is happening - however just to clear up a huge rumour that is on this thread - BASSA's current reps are made up of flying staff who are elected representatives - they themselves have no qualification in accountancy and as such BASSA/Unite asked to see BA's books and they were to be studied by one of Unites top economic experts - Ed Sabinksy.
This request was UNEQUIVOCALLY REJECTED by BA.
That alone speaks volumes....
So please no more of the BASSA wouldnt look at the books nonsense BA wouldn't let them look at the books with someone who actually knew what they where looking for!
This request was UNEQUIVOCALLY REJECTED by BA.
That alone speaks volumes....
So please no more of the BASSA wouldnt look at the books nonsense BA wouldn't let them look at the books with someone who actually knew what they where looking for!
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A Lurker,
The union (or their representative) refused to sign a confidentiality agreement prior to gain access to BA's accounts. Therefore it was rejected. It is normal practice to sign such an agreement in these cases.
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The union (or their representative) refused to sign a confidentiality agreement prior to gain access to BA's accounts. Therefore it was rejected. It is normal practice to sign such an agreement in these cases.
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CFC - I see you make lots of posts with the "Vote Yes' guff at the bottom. The vote must be closer than you first thought. Have you been 'tasked' to get onto the pprune forum as quickly as possible to try and affect the vote?
What's sad is that it's all irrevelant and futile because the result DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
You can't win now: -
VOTE is NO - BASSA finished. Imposition complete, more to follow.
VOTE is YES - BA call your bluff. Strike broken in a couple of hours, BASSA finished, more changes to follow.
VOTE is YES and the cabin crew actually strike (very unlikely) - BA issue 90 day notice of termination of contract under SOSR. All existing crew invited to sign 'new fleet' contracts or don't - we don't mind either way - there are plenty of crew elsewhere desperate for a job.
It's 'endgame' time. BA are in the driving seat and you are passengers towards your demise. The only chance you have is if BASSA agree to talk at the eleventh hour - so no chance then!!
What's sad is that it's all irrevelant and futile because the result DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
You can't win now: -
VOTE is NO - BASSA finished. Imposition complete, more to follow.
VOTE is YES - BA call your bluff. Strike broken in a couple of hours, BASSA finished, more changes to follow.
VOTE is YES and the cabin crew actually strike (very unlikely) - BA issue 90 day notice of termination of contract under SOSR. All existing crew invited to sign 'new fleet' contracts or don't - we don't mind either way - there are plenty of crew elsewhere desperate for a job.
It's 'endgame' time. BA are in the driving seat and you are passengers towards your demise. The only chance you have is if BASSA agree to talk at the eleventh hour - so no chance then!!
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CFC
Here's an example - speak to your flight crew on your next flight and ask what sort of savings they have been doing - and you will understand why their proposal was accepted and not UNITE's.
Facts remain - every single department in BA has done savings - speak to your union and they might show you the numbers. Otherwise you might want to pay a visit to WS!
Scheduling has also done a huge saving recently - forced scheduled to go part-time!
Sorry!
Out of interest what department do you work in and what 'continuous savings ' are you referring to.
Facts remain - every single department in BA has done savings - speak to your union and they might show you the numbers. Otherwise you might want to pay a visit to WS!
Scheduling has also done a huge saving recently - forced scheduled to go part-time!
Errr...for the umpteenth time I do not belong to Bassa. Please note.
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CFC - I see you make lots of posts with the "Vote Yes' guff at the bottom. The vote must be closer than you first thought. Have you been 'tasked' to get onto the pprune forum as quickly as possible to try and affect the vote?
What's sad is that it's all irrevelant and futile because the result DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
You can't win now: -
VOTE is NO - BASSA finished. Imposition complete, more to follow.
VOTE is YES - BA call your bluff. Strike broken in a couple of hours, BASSA finished, more changes to follow.
VOTE is YES and the cabin crew actually strike (very unlikely) - BA issue 90 day notice of termination of contract under SOSR. All existing crew invited to sign 'new fleet' contracts or don't - we don't mind either way - there are plenty of crew elsewhere desperate for a job.
It's 'endgame' time. BA are in the driving seat and you are passengers towards your demise. The only chance you have is if BASSA agree to talk at the eleventh hour - so no chance then!!
What's sad is that it's all irrevelant and futile because the result DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
You can't win now: -
VOTE is NO - BASSA finished. Imposition complete, more to follow.
VOTE is YES - BA call your bluff. Strike broken in a couple of hours, BASSA finished, more changes to follow.
VOTE is YES and the cabin crew actually strike (very unlikely) - BA issue 90 day notice of termination of contract under SOSR. All existing crew invited to sign 'new fleet' contracts or don't - we don't mind either way - there are plenty of crew elsewhere desperate for a job.
It's 'endgame' time. BA are in the driving seat and you are passengers towards your demise. The only chance you have is if BASSA agree to talk at the eleventh hour - so no chance then!!
a well thought out post - it must have taken you a long time to get you thoughts down. Well done.
(PS More tonic required!)
MORE THAN EVER - ESPECIALLY AFTER JOCKSTERS POST - VOTE YES
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Two can play that game, A Lurker.
Plenty of questions have been posted to you, where you've refused to answer...
Actually, I reckon I know the answer to my own question to you. Your union told you, right? That means it must be true...
Gg
Plenty of questions have been posted to you, where you've refused to answer...
Actually, I reckon I know the answer to my own question to you. Your union told you, right? That means it must be true...
Gg
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Winstonsmith
of course it was BASSA who informed their membership of this - or do you really think that they would make this up by actually naming a UNITE official - come on now - BA knew he would see through their figures - it may well have been easy to try to dupe an elected Cabin Crew representative but not an expert in accountancy 
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- BA knew he would see through their figures -
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Dear winstonsmith,,
Funny you should ask that. Did ask on sector last night to here....do not want to upset the Mods by printing their comments, but suffice to say, the final comments from the Captain were he hoped "we (the CC) really give WW a stuffing" - and not the Xmas type.
You failed to mention visiting times at WS - is it still in this 24hr airline only Mon to Fri and when staff not doing Pilates/ getting hair done/ banking/ shopping in Waitrose/staring out over the lake...and thats of course if they are not working from home.
VOTE YES FOR YOUR FUTURE
Here's an example - speak to your flight crew on your next flight and ask what sort of savings they have been doing - and you will understand why their proposal was accepted and not UNITE's.
Otherwise you might want to pay a visit to WS!
VOTE YES FOR YOUR FUTURE
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A Lurker,
I am not making personal attacks on you at all.
I have read every post on this thread and questions have been posted to you a few times. If I didn't have better things to do, I would find them for you, but if you go back a few pages you should be able to find them.
Gg
Ps. I'm still trying to find out more about Ed Sabinksy, but it's not easy to find information about him. May I ask if the spelling of the name is correct please?
I am not making personal attacks on you at all.
I have read every post on this thread and questions have been posted to you a few times. If I didn't have better things to do, I would find them for you, but if you go back a few pages you should be able to find them.
Gg
Ps. I'm still trying to find out more about Ed Sabinksy, but it's not easy to find information about him. May I ask if the spelling of the name is correct please?
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You failed to mention visiting times at WS - is it still in this 24hr airline only Mon to Fri and when staff not doing Pilates/ getting hair done/ banking/ shopping in Waitrose/staring out over the lake...and thats of course if they are not working from home.
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He was former finance director of Vauxhall - and as I stated previously I do not troll back through the thread as most of the stuff on here is repeated on a regular basis and as stated previously I am more than willing to answer questions put to me
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Dear winstonsmith,,
Funny you should ask that. Did ask on sector last night to here....do not want to upset the Mods by printing their comments, but suffice to say, the final comments from the Captain were he hoped "we (the CC) really give WW a stuffing" - and not the Xmas type.
Funny you should ask that. Did ask on sector last night to here....do not want to upset the Mods by printing their comments, but suffice to say, the final comments from the Captain were he hoped "we (the CC) really give WW a stuffing" - and not the Xmas type.
I've no doubt that your conversation did occur as you described, but I'm afraid it would have been very much unrepresentative of the view from in front of the locked door.
The issue has arisen on 99% of the flights I have done over the last 11 months and I think without exception the opinion of Bassa's negotiating was totally negative, and the opinion of WW was 99% positive. The language used by Bassa, the omission of reference to facts in the comms, the switch from ' we will not negotiate on any cuts' to 'we are the only ones willing to negotiate' (twice), the temporary nature of the recession, the misrepresentation of the pilots' deal, all served to demonstrate an unsophisticated stonewalling approach to the need for change.
Such a stance doesn't lend itself to support from other departments, the public, nor the shareholders (the owners of our company).
In fact the arguments presented to the city convinced the analysts that Unite's aim in the dispute was to retain control over day to day operational decisions and that BA were trying to bring operational control back to management. (As in every other company in the UK, bar none)
So CFC, you may have one supporter in Flt Ops, but very few others elsewhere.
Perhaps you could increase that support by explaining what sequence of events you hope will follow the first day of IA, and how that will result in a successful conclusion for your fellow union members.
If that involves compromise on both sides, could you describe the areas you would be willing to provide savings in?
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A Lurker,
I have some questions for you:
Do you think that the show of hands at a union meeting for members to agree to "no further negotiation" was an intelligent and well thought out way of doing things? As in show of hands/2000 members = minority of members.
Do you think that it was correct procedure to (at the last union meeting) have a show of hands to delay elections? 3250 members = minority of members (again).
What are your ideas for cost savings from the IFCE budget?
Do you agree with the union not to ask the members about what they are willing to change?
Actually, CFC, you can add your thoughts on this as well if you like.
Gg
Ps. I have to go and rescue a friend with a broken down car now, but I'll be back later. I look forward to your replies.
I have some questions for you:
Do you think that the show of hands at a union meeting for members to agree to "no further negotiation" was an intelligent and well thought out way of doing things? As in show of hands/2000 members = minority of members.
Do you think that it was correct procedure to (at the last union meeting) have a show of hands to delay elections? 3250 members = minority of members (again).
What are your ideas for cost savings from the IFCE budget?
Do you agree with the union not to ask the members about what they are willing to change?
Actually, CFC, you can add your thoughts on this as well if you like.
Gg
Ps. I have to go and rescue a friend with a broken down car now, but I'll be back later. I look forward to your replies.
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Dear Midman,
Facts/figures/facts/figures/facts/figures.....
Like myself, and all other interested parties including non BA staff on this thread, we will always read and remember what we want to. I have heard many comments, especially those of a very close friend who is doing very well in the City, that the current events within BA are not being viewed as being that rosy. However, no point discussing that , as we all have our own views.
Going on from that you have heard a side to the events which of course you believe - why not. With regard to '99% of your flights' supporting your negative views against Bassa, so be it, maybe you have the stance of one not to discuss politics with, I do not know but try to give a reason for these happenings. If you had crossed me, maybe I was that 1%, you would have certainly heard my view on the story. We all have our own views.
As for IA I will be following guidance from my reps in UNITE - sad but true, I'd sooner wish this could be sorted beforehand.
On a personal level one must make a decision and stick with it or it will come back to haunt you in years to come. I have made mine after listening to many, talking to some and posting on here and some other forums. You must respect that.
VOTE YES
Facts/figures/facts/figures/facts/figures.....
Like myself, and all other interested parties including non BA staff on this thread, we will always read and remember what we want to. I have heard many comments, especially those of a very close friend who is doing very well in the City, that the current events within BA are not being viewed as being that rosy. However, no point discussing that , as we all have our own views.
Going on from that you have heard a side to the events which of course you believe - why not. With regard to '99% of your flights' supporting your negative views against Bassa, so be it, maybe you have the stance of one not to discuss politics with, I do not know but try to give a reason for these happenings. If you had crossed me, maybe I was that 1%, you would have certainly heard my view on the story. We all have our own views.
As for IA I will be following guidance from my reps in UNITE - sad but true, I'd sooner wish this could be sorted beforehand.
On a personal level one must make a decision and stick with it or it will come back to haunt you in years to come. I have made mine after listening to many, talking to some and posting on here and some other forums. You must respect that.
VOTE YES