British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Glamgirl - I think you will find that the trades union was invited to a meeting ref the Tax Audit on Thursday - so nobody is withholding information - they haven't been given the information yet!
And as you are also prattling on about YES votes and saying "it's a secret ballot etc" - why do you take such pleasure in announcing your own intention to vote no? As you said yourself - it's a secret
And as you are also prattling on about YES votes and saying "it's a secret ballot etc" - why do you take such pleasure in announcing your own intention to vote no? As you said yourself - it's a secret
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Jeez ! I'm glad you tub-thumping dinosaurs don't work for my airline !
I have a number of friends who work as BA crew and I'm hoping they have more sense than to throw their jobs away by striking.
The rest of you on here at least have your heads screwed on the right way.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You can't win !
I have a number of friends who work as BA crew and I'm hoping they have more sense than to throw their jobs away by striking.
The rest of you on here at least have your heads screwed on the right way.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You can't win !
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A Lurker,
When I posted about with-holding information, it wasn't just about the tax issue. There are plenty of other occasions. The lack of proper information from the union(s) is astounding. As been explained here about the tax issue, it won't be 80% tax on allowances, as the union has suggested with their badly worded comms. It means that the taxable portion will increase to 80%. A huge difference!
OzzyO - I bet you wouldn't feel so relaxed if you realised what's really going on. I'm allowed to be angry about this situation, as it puts jobs on the line.
Gg
When I posted about with-holding information, it wasn't just about the tax issue. There are plenty of other occasions. The lack of proper information from the union(s) is astounding. As been explained here about the tax issue, it won't be 80% tax on allowances, as the union has suggested with their badly worded comms. It means that the taxable portion will increase to 80%. A huge difference!
OzzyO - I bet you wouldn't feel so relaxed if you realised what's really going on. I'm allowed to be angry about this situation, as it puts jobs on the line.
Gg
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Has BASSA actually said that it is 80% - I know they are going to a meeting about Tax with BA? The only mention I can find of 80% is from a LGW Crew Member posting it themselves ( maybe a NO voter spreading dis-information?)
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My prediction is, and I will be back after the 14th to remind you all, is that the YES vote will be more than 95% again.
The entire ballot is irrelevant. BASSA want to strike over anything and everything. Just like the wonderful tick list including ingrowing toenails.
Enjoy the 14th the rest of us will when BASSA cuts its own financial throat. As I have said before I would be quite happy to serve coffee and cover a door whilst you have your irrelevant little spat.
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"Yawn. A 95% vote from 95 out of 100 members? Enough to strike?"
Wobble - as it's Children In Need day today ( and please no references to BASSA or their leadership ) I will bet you £100 to give to CIN that there will be more then 100 members voting!
Wobble - as it's Children In Need day today ( and please no references to BASSA or their leadership
) I will bet you £100 to give to CIN that there will be more then 100 members voting!
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I am not cabin crew and therefore cannot vote yes or no.
You obviously have a tremendous faith in your union. Perhaps you can explain why they failed to reach an acceptable settlement with BA before the deadline on 30 June like other departments did or even afterwards?
If sensible negotiations on the part of your union took place it would have been beneficial to their members who would not now be faced with whether or not to take strike action.
We have read the union reps refused to sit in the same room as another union rep and negotiate etc. Is that really something you approve of from adults? That is the sort of behaviour one expects from children, not adults representing serious matters that affects the lives of 14,000 people.
There was an awful lots at stake that could have been negotiated to the benefit of all the cabin crew and a better outcome could have so easily been achieved.
The union members pay a high monthly fee for their interests to be protected, I am not convinced their money has been well spent.
BA could not have gone on forever waiting for your union to negotiate acceptable vital savings that are required from every dept in BA in order to survive. Be aware 14,000 cabin crew is a large percentage of the total workforce within BA. The savings plan your union suggested appears to be well off the mark that was required.
Who do you think is responsible for this very serious situation that may ruin the Christmas holiday plans for thousand of people?
So far no cabin crew expect to be made complusory redundant, let us hope it remains that way.
A yes vote may well make this Christmas rather miserable for a lot of people.
I am not cabin crew and therefore cannot vote yes or no.
You obviously have a tremendous faith in your union. Perhaps you can explain why they failed to reach an acceptable settlement with BA before the deadline on 30 June like other departments did or even afterwards?
If sensible negotiations on the part of your union took place it would have been beneficial to their members who would not now be faced with whether or not to take strike action.
We have read the union reps refused to sit in the same room as another union rep and negotiate etc. Is that really something you approve of from adults? That is the sort of behaviour one expects from children, not adults representing serious matters that affects the lives of 14,000 people.
There was an awful lots at stake that could have been negotiated to the benefit of all the cabin crew and a better outcome could have so easily been achieved.
The union members pay a high monthly fee for their interests to be protected, I am not convinced their money has been well spent.
BA could not have gone on forever waiting for your union to negotiate acceptable vital savings that are required from every dept in BA in order to survive. Be aware 14,000 cabin crew is a large percentage of the total workforce within BA. The savings plan your union suggested appears to be well off the mark that was required.
Who do you think is responsible for this very serious situation that may ruin the Christmas holiday plans for thousand of people?
So far no cabin crew expect to be made complusory redundant, let us hope it remains that way.
A yes vote may well make this Christmas rather miserable for a lot of people.
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One thing that is certain is that BASSA are telling the BASSA faithful to keep trotting out these optimistic stories about 100% support for IA, to sway the cult doubters that are starting to see what the BASSA leadership are really looking after - themselves. They probably also think it will "Bring BA back to the table" - that would be the one BASSA kept refusing to sit at. BA really won't care much, and they have nothing to fear. The law, their shareholders, customers and banks are on their side and BASSA have picked a fight they cannot win.
BASSA's credibility is in the toilet, along with the Comical Ali tirades that diehards keep churning out. Once again, repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it true.
But I'm sure we'll keep hearing it from the usual suspects, much as we heard it from Comical Ali as the tanks rolled down the street behind him
The likes of Fume Event will be surely be told everyone is in agreement with them, even if it is a lie; I would happily tell a porky if it silenced a BASSA talking head for a whole block.
VOTE NO AND RESIGN FROM BASSA!
BASSA's credibility is in the toilet, along with the Comical Ali tirades that diehards keep churning out. Once again, repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it true.
But I'm sure we'll keep hearing it from the usual suspects, much as we heard it from Comical Ali as the tanks rolled down the street behind him
The likes of Fume Event will be surely be told everyone is in agreement with them, even if it is a lie; I would happily tell a porky if it silenced a BASSA talking head for a whole block.
VOTE NO AND RESIGN FROM BASSA!
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That is amazing that Bassa only announced the 80% tax on allowances to LGW crew when you do not receive meal allowances like they do at LHR.
Perhaps Bassa do not know you are on the hourly rate?
That would not surprise me at all.
That is amazing that Bassa only announced the 80% tax on allowances to LGW crew when you do not receive meal allowances like they do at LHR.
Perhaps Bassa do not know you are on the hourly rate?
That would not surprise me at all.
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Fume -
Care to explain what this sting of words means? Are you suggesting that people who are saying they have voted NO are telling lies?
If that follows then maybe the people saying they have voted YES are telling lies to?
CB
so called 'No' voters
If that follows then maybe the people saying they have voted YES are telling lies to?
CB
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Desertia you just posted:-
"One thing that is certain is that BASSA are telling the BASSA faithful to keep trotting out these optimistic stories about 100% support for IA, to sway the cult doubters that are starting to see what the BASSA leadership are really looking after - themselves."
In fact this is what BASSA are actually saying:
"The last time we had a ballot for industrial action we received a staggering 96.1% support and the issues this time are, in many ways, far more serious but we know this will be difficult to repeat; that was a unique outpouring against the way this company was being run. Sadly it’s still being run in the same way but we are realistic enough to know such a monumental result will be difficult to achieve twice."
Seems like your post was incorrect matey....
"One thing that is certain is that BASSA are telling the BASSA faithful to keep trotting out these optimistic stories about 100% support for IA, to sway the cult doubters that are starting to see what the BASSA leadership are really looking after - themselves."
In fact this is what BASSA are actually saying:
"The last time we had a ballot for industrial action we received a staggering 96.1% support and the issues this time are, in many ways, far more serious but we know this will be difficult to repeat; that was a unique outpouring against the way this company was being run. Sadly it’s still being run in the same way but we are realistic enough to know such a monumental result will be difficult to achieve twice."
Seems like your post was incorrect matey....
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An interesting statement from BASSA. Given that the previous strike ballot was a load of froth and hubris, it's quite telling that BASSA realise that even when real issues are at stake they aren't going to get the support this time round. I wonder how fearful they are about the results and the turnout?
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You are right Carnage - they know themselves that the vote will be nowhere near that of last time - I would still expect a clear Yes win - although will it be seen as a moral (or morale!) defeat if its nearer 60/40?
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The thing that shocks me the most is when crew go on about getting public support .The crew i was with yesterday seemed to think if they went on strike at xmas they would not get public support or sympathy.
I was lost for words the bottom line is they don't have any public support .People who live in the real world are NOT interested in BASSA or BA's spoilt cabin crew.Yes it takes a certain type of personality to be cabin crew and i have respect for the hard work and effort they put in etc.However that IS their job to deal with whatever comes their way.
BASSA have made a good job of turning the the role of cabin crew into something it's not.
If i was WW i would be saying get on with it get over it or get out .
I was lost for words the bottom line is they don't have any public support .People who live in the real world are NOT interested in BASSA or BA's spoilt cabin crew.Yes it takes a certain type of personality to be cabin crew and i have respect for the hard work and effort they put in etc.However that IS their job to deal with whatever comes their way.
BASSA have made a good job of turning the the role of cabin crew into something it's not.
If i was WW i would be saying get on with it get over it or get out .
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"People who live in the real world are NOT interested in BASSA or BA's spoilt cabin crew."
I suppose that could be said for the vast majority of sections in BA - the spoilt bit I mean
I suppose that could be said for the vast majority of sections in BA - the spoilt bit I mean
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I think the 'spoilt' weather map is referring to is the CC Unions constant inability to move with the times and a suicidal wish to hold on to terms and conditions that were obsolete in the last century let alone this one.
The unemployment level is sky rocketing and will continue to climb even with the supposed 'glimmer' of a recovery. Unemployment drags recession by anywhere between 12-18 months.
So, taking in to account the dreadful employment situation outside of BASSA LaLa land do you honestly think the travelling public give a damn if there are 16 CC on a Jumbo or 15? They see only that BA CC get far more for similar work than almost any other airline in the business.
Sadly service levels are so random that the CC cannot even claim to give the best product service. They don't.
Public opinion is far from on BASSA's side and the past couple of decades of nebulous strikes for whimsical reasons has not helped its position.
Time to wipe the slate clean and start again.
The unemployment level is sky rocketing and will continue to climb even with the supposed 'glimmer' of a recovery. Unemployment drags recession by anywhere between 12-18 months.
So, taking in to account the dreadful employment situation outside of BASSA LaLa land do you honestly think the travelling public give a damn if there are 16 CC on a Jumbo or 15? They see only that BA CC get far more for similar work than almost any other airline in the business.
Sadly service levels are so random that the CC cannot even claim to give the best product service. They don't.
Public opinion is far from on BASSA's side and the past couple of decades of nebulous strikes for whimsical reasons has not helped its position.
Time to wipe the slate clean and start again.