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Sorry, w2p. I realised you didn't mean it that way!
ST holding a speech saying that BA isn't interested, managers are incompetent and don't know what they want or how the company should be. The company is also attacking corporate levels of agreements and employment procedures agreements as well using ACAS as a way forward.
ST holding a speech saying that BA isn't interested, managers are incompetent and don't know what they want or how the company should be. The company is also attacking corporate levels of agreements and employment procedures agreements as well using ACAS as a way forward.
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3 questions asked:
- Can BA sack us is we strike? No for 12 weeks. After that re-ballot.
- Can we work to the rule? Don't do it until ballot is produced.
- 90 days letter? Where do we stand? A contract can be changed in 2 days: if we agree or they divide and conquer. BA is trying to break unity. BASSA also says NOT to sign the contract.
- Can BA sack us is we strike? No for 12 weeks. After that re-ballot.
- Can we work to the rule? Don't do it until ballot is produced.
- 90 days letter? Where do we stand? A contract can be changed in 2 days: if we agree or they divide and conquer. BA is trying to break unity. BASSA also says NOT to sign the contract.
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Ironic isn't it that the unions that have failed to move in any way shape or form from their almost original 1970's agreements have the audacity to blame EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE COMPANY for the problems the company faces.
They have a total inability to face the facts that they also need to align themselves with the real world and get their own house in order.
They have managed to keep themselves so closed up in their ivory towers that the crash from this adjustment is going to really hurt. Still they continue to spin away believing it is their given right to continue in such a fashion.
They have failed their membership by bringing it to such a catastrophic position and causing such a painful adjustment.
However, don't forget, it is all down to everybody else being mean and nasty.
Sad.
They have a total inability to face the facts that they also need to align themselves with the real world and get their own house in order.
They have managed to keep themselves so closed up in their ivory towers that the crash from this adjustment is going to really hurt. Still they continue to spin away believing it is their given right to continue in such a fashion.
They have failed their membership by bringing it to such a catastrophic position and causing such a painful adjustment.
However, don't forget, it is all down to everybody else being mean and nasty.
Sad.
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Can BA sack us is we strike? No for 12 weeks. After that re-ballot.
Can we work to the rule? Don't do it until ballot is produced.
90 days letter? Where do we stand? A contract can be changed in 2 days: if we agree or they divide and conquer. BA is trying to break unity. BASSA also says NOT to sign the contract.
BA is not a charity and can play with its train set in any way it pleases.
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So it comes to this. Thousands of great staff led over the cliff's edge by a few hundred to a thousand or so militants who peer over the fence and demand the best bits of every other departments agreements, won't take anything if it's not put into the flight crew agreement too (why, we're in different jobs and we've been a lot more dynamic with the changes to our terms over the years), think they should tell the company how to run itself and, allegedly, would rather see the company buckle than take any material changes. We benchmarked ourselves with the company's agreement some 5 years ago so claiming that you won't take market rate +10% until the flight crew do (and it's crew, not deck, I don't call you cabin or galley) is so far behind the drag curve it's untrue. We've been there for ages. Ball's in your court.
That may be my little rant but it's the likes of Nutjob, Glamgirl etc (not to mention my wife) who are going to get slammed along the way by the BASSA willy-waving, and they, most assuredly, do not deserve to.
That may be my little rant but it's the likes of Nutjob, Glamgirl etc (not to mention my wife) who are going to get slammed along the way by the BASSA willy-waving, and they, most assuredly, do not deserve to.
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1) do you accept Ba proposal?
All no
2) do you accept unite proposals
6 no all other yes
3) do you wish unite to make further concessions to Ba?
Answer no from all
All no
2) do you accept unite proposals
6 no all other yes
3) do you wish unite to make further concessions to Ba?
Answer no from all
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BA staff reject cost cutting proposals etc..
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Surprise, surprise:
Well, off we trot into another summer of discontent. I hope the other 12000 members of BASSA who probably want to keep their jobs agree with this decision?
A mass meeting of more than 2,000 British Airways workers has rejected the airline's plans to reduce costs by cutting jobs and freezing pay.
Staff said they were not prepared to accept an "assault" on their pay, terms and conditions.
Conciliation service Acas will chair a meeting between BA and unions on Wednesday to try to reach an agreement.
BA has been striving to cut costs in the recession. In May, the airline reported a record annual loss of £401m.
The airline had set a deadline of 30 June to reach a deal on about 3,500 job cuts, a pay freeze and other changes, but no agreement was made.
At the meeting, workers rejected BA's proposals and instead backed a union plan, which officials said could save between £100m and £130m.
Cutting costs
The union Unite said it was prepared to consider a two-year freeze on pay.
Unite claimed BA wanted to introduce a new "starter rate" of £11,000, but said this would lead to a two-tier workforce.
Last month, BA said 800 workers had volunteered to work for nothing for up to a month.
The airline had written to its 40,000 staff in the UK, asking for volunteers to work for nothing to help make savings.
BA chief Willie Walsh has already agreed to work unpaid in July, forgoing his month's salary of £61,000
Staff said they were not prepared to accept an "assault" on their pay, terms and conditions.
Conciliation service Acas will chair a meeting between BA and unions on Wednesday to try to reach an agreement.
BA has been striving to cut costs in the recession. In May, the airline reported a record annual loss of £401m.
The airline had set a deadline of 30 June to reach a deal on about 3,500 job cuts, a pay freeze and other changes, but no agreement was made.
At the meeting, workers rejected BA's proposals and instead backed a union plan, which officials said could save between £100m and £130m.
Cutting costs
The union Unite said it was prepared to consider a two-year freeze on pay.
Unite claimed BA wanted to introduce a new "starter rate" of £11,000, but said this would lead to a two-tier workforce.
Last month, BA said 800 workers had volunteered to work for nothing for up to a month.
The airline had written to its 40,000 staff in the UK, asking for volunteers to work for nothing to help make savings.
BA chief Willie Walsh has already agreed to work unpaid in July, forgoing his month's salary of £61,000
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So, no actual ballot for IA just yet then? Phew!
Although I guess it's only a matter of time, now that bassa is freshly enfranchised to totally reject the BA propasals, push for their own to be accepted by BA and to give no further concessions to the company.
Is it me, or does that make the upcoming ACAS meeting a little pointless? Surely the whole idea of ACAS is for both parties to make "concessions"?
Imposition here we come.
Not sure if 6 people apparently wanting no change at all is a positive or a negative.
Although I guess it's only a matter of time, now that bassa is freshly enfranchised to totally reject the BA propasals, push for their own to be accepted by BA and to give no further concessions to the company.
Is it me, or does that make the upcoming ACAS meeting a little pointless? Surely the whole idea of ACAS is for both parties to make "concessions"?
Imposition here we come.
Not sure if 6 people apparently wanting no change at all is a positive or a negative.
OK - a friend just asked me to book him a ticket from Alicante to Gatwick on 17th July - just hand luggage. Prices are as follows as of 1400Z.
Monarch 75.25 euros
Easyjet (4 flights)
41.99, 57.99, 60.99, 73.99 euros
Ryanair 67.88 euros.
British Airways 153.07 euros.
No wonder BA are having to pull out of Alicante after the summer.
Do BASSA live in the real world - obviously not. Those prices say it all really.
I expect forward bookings are disappearing with the threat of industrial action.
Fly380 retired BA upfronter!
ps I use Murcia - Gatwick. BA had to give that up years ago even using a GB Airways franchise.
Monarch 75.25 euros
Easyjet (4 flights)
41.99, 57.99, 60.99, 73.99 euros
Ryanair 67.88 euros.
British Airways 153.07 euros.
No wonder BA are having to pull out of Alicante after the summer.
Do BASSA live in the real world - obviously not. Those prices say it all really.
I expect forward bookings are disappearing with the threat of industrial action.
Fly380 retired BA upfronter!
ps I use Murcia - Gatwick. BA had to give that up years ago even using a GB Airways franchise.
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I have to confess I'm a bit disappointed.
The rhetoric and output from the Kempton Park meeting could have been scripted in advance (and was on this forum). So what was the point of wasting so much subscription money on the meeting? What have they achieved?
Please don't tell me they now have a mandate to say "NO" to the company, as 2000 militants out of 14,000, while statistically significant, is not representative.
I feel sorry for poor people at ACAS.
My 2 pence, for what its worth, is the company needs to drag the terms and conditions of the cabin crew into at least the 1990s, 2000s is preferable. Stop all of this consulting on disruption and begging to hand out hot towels rubbish that makes BA into a laughing stock. All the other departments have contributed a huge amount since the BEP back in 1999/2000, it's now BASSA's turn. Deal with it!
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The rhetoric and output from the Kempton Park meeting could have been scripted in advance (and was on this forum). So what was the point of wasting so much subscription money on the meeting? What have they achieved?
Please don't tell me they now have a mandate to say "NO" to the company, as 2000 militants out of 14,000, while statistically significant, is not representative.
I feel sorry for poor people at ACAS.
My 2 pence, for what its worth, is the company needs to drag the terms and conditions of the cabin crew into at least the 1990s, 2000s is preferable. Stop all of this consulting on disruption and begging to hand out hot towels rubbish that makes BA into a laughing stock. All the other departments have contributed a huge amount since the BEP back in 1999/2000, it's now BASSA's turn. Deal with it!
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BBC NEWS | Business | BA staff reject cost-cutting plan
"The union Unite said it was prepared to consider a two-year freeze on pay."
Prepared to consider? BASSA suggested it in the first place.
"Unite claimed BA wanted to introduce a new "starter rate" of £11.000, but said this would lead to a two-tier workforce."
New entrant salary under present terms and conditions is £10.982. We also already have several tier workforces like old and new contracts (97).
I agree with Crash and Burn that only some 2000 was present at the meeting which is equivalent to around 14% of the entire workforce. Not really that much.
"The union Unite said it was prepared to consider a two-year freeze on pay."
Prepared to consider? BASSA suggested it in the first place.
"Unite claimed BA wanted to introduce a new "starter rate" of £11.000, but said this would lead to a two-tier workforce."
New entrant salary under present terms and conditions is £10.982. We also already have several tier workforces like old and new contracts (97).
I agree with Crash and Burn that only some 2000 was present at the meeting which is equivalent to around 14% of the entire workforce. Not really that much.
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I agree with Crash and Burn that only some 2000 was present at the meeting which is equivalent to around 14% of the entire workforce. Not really that much.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought B.A. were running an operation today.
I agree with Crash and Burn that only some 2000 was present at the meeting which is equivalent to around 14% of the entire workforce. Not really that much.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought B.A. were running an operation today.