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BA crew days off after trips
Just to confirm (I have been BA crew on L/H at LHR for quite some years),
Any trip with a 5hr time change or more generates a minimum of 3 days off, eg get home on monday, & get tues/wed/thurs off, back to work on Fri. This goes for anywhere in USA. It also works for India, but only when the time change is 5.5hrs, not when its only 4.5 hrs.(summer vs winter time change)
Places such as the mid-east, Africa only generate 2 days off due to the smaller time change.
Just to confuse things further, any trip which is deemed "long range" (by BA that is) will generate a minimum of 4 days off.
There may be one or two exceptions to this rule, [our old "mid-fleet" used to be able to bid for trips, but some did accrue less days off, iirc] & it may be different at LGW, but if L/H LHR based BA c.crew do eg a JFK n/stop, 3 days off it is.
You VS guys, please keep focussed on your real issues, not what other airlines do. Thats a potential big can of worms. You are professionals, & deserve pay, & T&C to reflect that. What other depts of VS get, & what other airlines pay is irrelevant. They will fight their own corner when the time comes.
Stay on track, don't get caught up in irrelevant side-issues, & go for the best you can get.
Don't believe that VS can't afford it. They won't go bust. The absolute final & best offer hasn't appeared yet. Its just called playing hard-ball-negotiation. There is a deal there somewhere whereby both sides can come out with an acceptable deal, & faces saved.
Your unity (or lack of it ) will be crucial.
Any trip with a 5hr time change or more generates a minimum of 3 days off, eg get home on monday, & get tues/wed/thurs off, back to work on Fri. This goes for anywhere in USA. It also works for India, but only when the time change is 5.5hrs, not when its only 4.5 hrs.(summer vs winter time change)
Places such as the mid-east, Africa only generate 2 days off due to the smaller time change.
Just to confuse things further, any trip which is deemed "long range" (by BA that is) will generate a minimum of 4 days off.
There may be one or two exceptions to this rule, [our old "mid-fleet" used to be able to bid for trips, but some did accrue less days off, iirc] & it may be different at LGW, but if L/H LHR based BA c.crew do eg a JFK n/stop, 3 days off it is.
You VS guys, please keep focussed on your real issues, not what other airlines do. Thats a potential big can of worms. You are professionals, & deserve pay, & T&C to reflect that. What other depts of VS get, & what other airlines pay is irrelevant. They will fight their own corner when the time comes.
Stay on track, don't get caught up in irrelevant side-issues, & go for the best you can get.
Don't believe that VS can't afford it. They won't go bust. The absolute final & best offer hasn't appeared yet. Its just called playing hard-ball-negotiation. There is a deal there somewhere whereby both sides can come out with an acceptable deal, & faces saved.
Your unity (or lack of it ) will be crucial.
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The way the Union and company management have handled the paytalks is an absolute disgrace. To think that these people are running Virgin Atlantic really does make me wonder.
SRB didnt even no how serious this was until we were offered the 4.8%, Senior Management had kept it from him.
So what now? If the company will revert the offer back to 2% looks like I will have to vote yes.
OMG I wish I wasnt in this situation
SRB didnt even no how serious this was until we were offered the 4.8%, Senior Management had kept it from him.
So what now? If the company will revert the offer back to 2% looks like I will have to vote yes.
OMG I wish I wasnt in this situation
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You are wrong. The Cabin crew work 43% of the hours that a cabin technician works. That means the CC earn a higher basic wage than the technician.
One thing that rings true from all the posts on all the forums, VS has turned into the establishment it set out to beat. Big corporate buildings, loads of managers & Leslie Philips telling you how good looking you are!! The chaps i know from the "old days" say that things worked better when they did it all from a warehouse at Lowfield Heath (and a lot cheaper).
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I don't think that the 4.8% pay increase is the sticking point in this pay deal. Most of the crew I have spoken to who have rejected the offer have done so because of the huge difference in the increase in trip pay between FSMs and Cabin Crew - 30% for FSMs and 9% (equating to roughly £2) for cabin crew. That is insulting.
As for saying that if we vote no to strike action we get nothing - that is not correct. I wanted this information clarifying and so emailed one of the senior management team and received this reply
"If the ballot for strike action returns a No vote then we will honour the last offer ( 4.8% and inflation in Year 2) If however a strike ballot gets a yes vote then we will have to withdraw that offer and reconsider what - if anything - can be afforded."
That makes it completely clear that if we do not vote for strike action we will still get the 4.8% as currently offered.
As for saying that if we vote no to strike action we get nothing - that is not correct. I wanted this information clarifying and so emailed one of the senior management team and received this reply
"If the ballot for strike action returns a No vote then we will honour the last offer ( 4.8% and inflation in Year 2) If however a strike ballot gets a yes vote then we will have to withdraw that offer and reconsider what - if anything - can be afforded."
That makes it completely clear that if we do not vote for strike action we will still get the 4.8% as currently offered.
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We should not be made to feel guilty by other departments about wanting a moderate pay increase. We'll still be far below other comparative airlines
All this talk of cabin crew screwing the airline if there is a strike is so unfair. BA are making good profits, increasing profits this year as well as investing hundreds of millions in T5, ordering new aircraft and paying their cabin crew an acceptable salary.
How are they making money? They operate from the same aiports, pay the same for fuel, have a shorthaul network that competes with LoCo's and are as effected by the same open skies and environmental issues as we are.
Its like Nero fiddling while Rome burns with our management. Their content to sit back with this "but we're Virgin" smugness while airlines all around us are passing us by. We used to innovate, push the boundaries, make an impact but in ever decreasing circles these days.
They have no regard for us at all imo. They have tried to split us with different pay offers and once the FSM's are onside lets get them to do our bidding seems to be the tactic.
One thing for certain we're amongst the lowest paid group of workers in the airline and management cant throw the financial wellbeing of the airline into my lap because most of us do our bit. THEY are not doing there jobs terribly well WHY should we be asked to sacrifice because of it!
Virgin needs to grow up. We're not a small airline partying for a week in Miami anymore. Treat your staff like adults!!
All this talk of cabin crew screwing the airline if there is a strike is so unfair. BA are making good profits, increasing profits this year as well as investing hundreds of millions in T5, ordering new aircraft and paying their cabin crew an acceptable salary.
How are they making money? They operate from the same aiports, pay the same for fuel, have a shorthaul network that competes with LoCo's and are as effected by the same open skies and environmental issues as we are.
Its like Nero fiddling while Rome burns with our management. Their content to sit back with this "but we're Virgin" smugness while airlines all around us are passing us by. We used to innovate, push the boundaries, make an impact but in ever decreasing circles these days.
They have no regard for us at all imo. They have tried to split us with different pay offers and once the FSM's are onside lets get them to do our bidding seems to be the tactic.
One thing for certain we're amongst the lowest paid group of workers in the airline and management cant throw the financial wellbeing of the airline into my lap because most of us do our bit. THEY are not doing there jobs terribly well WHY should we be asked to sacrifice because of it!
Virgin needs to grow up. We're not a small airline partying for a week in Miami anymore. Treat your staff like adults!!
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I assume thats based on the 900 flying hours & not total working hours (check-in to check-in). The cabin tech would also be getting shift allowance for working shift on top of the basic, so add's insult to injury for those poorly paid FSM's!!!!
I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty for wanting a moderate pay increase. I am only pointing out that perhaps things are not quite as they initially appear. When you compare rates with other skilled staff they are reasonably similar.
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Keep your hair on old chap, your the one that made the comparison
One point, many of those fair maidens (and chaps) have said that it isn't really all about money & for many it would have been a big tick in the yes box IF the extra month of standby had been excluded from the final offer
One point, many of those fair maidens (and chaps) have said that it isn't really all about money & for many it would have been a big tick in the yes box IF the extra month of standby had been excluded from the final offer
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why do you keep refering to a technician as a cabin tech, when it comes to pay. An a/c, cabin and avionics technician are all payed the same under the great tier system.
so what you are saying is that, an a/c tech who works in any weather at any time to keep you lot in the air flying who has done a 5 year apprenticeship and at least 2 year exp before virgin would even talk to them and then add another 2 years to get an 'a' licence, so we are talking 9 years to get a half decent wage!!!
what did we get this year 2% and now the threat of losing our jobs as well.
do we care about cabin crew with their 6 weeks training, and how they moan about where going and 'im never flying there again' attitude.
if you dont like it leave and go and work for BA or Easy jet and work for a living and let us keep our jobs !!!!!!!
so what you are saying is that, an a/c tech who works in any weather at any time to keep you lot in the air flying who has done a 5 year apprenticeship and at least 2 year exp before virgin would even talk to them and then add another 2 years to get an 'a' licence, so we are talking 9 years to get a half decent wage!!!
what did we get this year 2% and now the threat of losing our jobs as well.
do we care about cabin crew with their 6 weeks training, and how they moan about where going and 'im never flying there again' attitude.
if you dont like it leave and go and work for BA or Easy jet and work for a living and let us keep our jobs !!!!!!!
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"If the ballot for strike action returns a No vote then we will honour the last offer ( 4.8% and inflation in Year 2) If however a strike ballot gets a yes vote then we will have to withdraw that offer and reconsider what - if anything - can be afforded."
That makes it completely clear that if we do not vote for strike action we will still get the 4.8% as currently offered.
Thanks for clearing that up shortm.
Good to read something that I didnt know and certainly makes me relax a little.
That makes it completely clear that if we do not vote for strike action we will still get the 4.8% as currently offered.
Thanks for clearing that up shortm.
Good to read something that I didnt know and certainly makes me relax a little.
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Virgin Atlantic crew who have been on the Virgin Blue exchange
Hi guys. What with the next exchange being advertised around check in, I was hoping some of you who've been on this previously could tell me all about it. A bit vague I know, but anything you think may be of use.
I'm really thinking about applying but so far nobody I've flown with in the last two months have been so I'm looking here now.
Thanks
I'm really thinking about applying but so far nobody I've flown with in the last two months have been so I'm looking here now.
Thanks
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why do you keep refering to a technician as a cabin tech, when it comes to pay. An a/c, cabin and avionics technician are all payed the same under the great tier system.
so what you are saying is that, an a/c tech who works in any weather at any time to keep you lot in the air flying who has done a 5 year apprenticeship and at least 2 year exp before virgin would even talk to them and then add another 2 years to get an 'a' licence, so we are talking 9 years to get a half decent wage!!!
what did we get this year 2% and now the threat of losing our jobs as well.
do we care about cabin crew with their 6 weeks training, and how they moan about where going and 'im never flying there again' attitude.
if you dont like it leave and go and work for BA or Easy jet and work for a living and let us keep our jobs !!!!!!!
so what you are saying is that, an a/c tech who works in any weather at any time to keep you lot in the air flying who has done a 5 year apprenticeship and at least 2 year exp before virgin would even talk to them and then add another 2 years to get an 'a' licence, so we are talking 9 years to get a half decent wage!!!
what did we get this year 2% and now the threat of losing our jobs as well.
do we care about cabin crew with their 6 weeks training, and how they moan about where going and 'im never flying there again' attitude.
if you dont like it leave and go and work for BA or Easy jet and work for a living and let us keep our jobs !!!!!!!
Well said! The problem is that Virgin cabin crew honestly believe that they are in some way 'superior' to other employees of Virgin and cabin crew of other airlines....... From day one they seem to pick up this belief.
As an ex employee of Virgin and someone who has completed a four year apprenticeship, many years of 'on the job training' many more years of studying to gain a CAA Licence...... i find the attitude of these people amazing!...... they are never happy
They have a job where they get to travel all over the world, see many different wonderful locations...... and on most flights work less than twelve hours..... and get paid for it!
I have a job that involves working in all conditions, long twelve hour shifts and often pages of paperwork to complete to certify the aircraft fit to fly.......... can you imagine that sort of responsibility?
Virgin Cabin Crew....... you dont know when you are well off!
Oh and incidentally...... after nearly 10 years i decided i didnt like the drive to Heathrow and what i was being paid, so i left Virgin and now work for another airline that at the moment pays a bit more....... its that simple really!
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All Virgin cabin crew think they are superior
That comment really annoys me. I'm Virgin cabin crew, I have also worked short haul & charter and worked within a different role at Virgin, and I in no way think I am superior to anyone - be they at Virgin or Easyjet, in any position.
If I understand what is being said correctly, and I might not have, then the comment is being made that based on an hourly rate a technician and cabin crew earn the same money. The difference that as I see it is that a technician is able to do overtime etc to make up their money if they wish to, they are also not penalised by losing out on money when they are off sick or on leave, that would be leave that they also appear to have little control over when it is taken looking at the recent allocations for those of us based at MAN. A technician is paid their shift allowance constantly not only for the days when they are actually in work.
Yes, it is fair to say that we don't work particularly that many hours. However, as I have recently found out, it is difficult to take on a second job when there is every likelihood that your whole roster will end up changing just because of being called on one block of standby.
For me, what irked me most about the pay deal, wasn't the amount which we were / are being offered on basic pay, it was the way the company fiddled with the figures with each revised offer to make us think it was something better when effectively it was the same.
Please do not make comments saying "ALL Virgin crew" when you simply do not know what all cabin crew think.
If I understand what is being said correctly, and I might not have, then the comment is being made that based on an hourly rate a technician and cabin crew earn the same money. The difference that as I see it is that a technician is able to do overtime etc to make up their money if they wish to, they are also not penalised by losing out on money when they are off sick or on leave, that would be leave that they also appear to have little control over when it is taken looking at the recent allocations for those of us based at MAN. A technician is paid their shift allowance constantly not only for the days when they are actually in work.
Yes, it is fair to say that we don't work particularly that many hours. However, as I have recently found out, it is difficult to take on a second job when there is every likelihood that your whole roster will end up changing just because of being called on one block of standby.
For me, what irked me most about the pay deal, wasn't the amount which we were / are being offered on basic pay, it was the way the company fiddled with the figures with each revised offer to make us think it was something better when effectively it was the same.
Please do not make comments saying "ALL Virgin crew" when you simply do not know what all cabin crew think.
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Hi All
Virgin has left a deal on the table of 4.8% .So what do we do..?
60% have said NO to this latest pay offer..! Which is very high..
So do we say NO to a strike and accept the pay offer of 4.8% which 60% said NO to.
Or
Do we say YES to a strike and hope that a new offer comes on the table at the last moment....? and if not show the world that our rates of pay are not as good as they should be.
I think we should have more advise from the union on this one and as 60% said NO to the last pay deal I believe the only way forward is for the union to advise us to go on strike.
If we accept the 4.8% which so many of you are not happy with (60%) we will be stepping back but a step forward would mean Strike.
Everybody did think that the 4.8% deal would be pulled if the vote went against but the deal is still there. So if we go on strike what deal will be there...? more or less..? A very testing time for us all I think..!
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60% have said NO to this latest pay offer..! Which is very high..
So do we say NO to a strike and accept the pay offer of 4.8% which 60% said NO to.
Or
Do we say YES to a strike and hope that a new offer comes on the table at the last moment....? and if not show the world that our rates of pay are not as good as they should be.
I think we should have more advise from the union on this one and as 60% said NO to the last pay deal I believe the only way forward is for the union to advise us to go on strike.
If we accept the 4.8% which so many of you are not happy with (60%) we will be stepping back but a step forward would mean Strike.
Everybody did think that the 4.8% deal would be pulled if the vote went against but the deal is still there. So if we go on strike what deal will be there...? more or less..? A very testing time for us all I think..!
Regards
Virgin Dolly
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It's all very well for Alfamatt to say what he/she does about what to do from a BA perspective.
As a BA pilot I have no axe to grind in your dispute with your company; but what I can do is offer a few observations:
1. If you think you are in an awkward situation now, just wait for the propaganda and personal pressure to be applied to you and your families by the company in the next few weeks. The full might of the corporate machine will be brought to bear and it will be VERY uncomfortable
2. You will be made to feel that there is a real possibility of their being no job to return to.
3. The company will aim to fragment support
4. The company can outlast the majority of individuals who have rents/mortgages/credit cards to service. The city corporations will support the managment as they will have been briefed to the long term cost benefits.
5. BALPA usually recommends having 2 or 3 months salary available as cash on hand to fund any dispute - do you have that?
6. If you strike and lose a weeks salary, or maybe two. If you then achieve say 6% vs 4.8%, how long will it take to regain the lost money? Quite a while, especially when you take into consideration possible interest payments etc.
Now, at the end of the day, I support any legal action, but you have to go in appreciating the possible consequences and understanding them and the financial gains/losses that may result BEFORE you make that decision.
One thing Alfamatt says that I agree with is about unity baing crucial.
Even then, ask Alfamatt what BASSA achieved at BA with a 96% strike mandate earlier this year - and don't be mislead by the BASSA spin - they were destroyed almost to the point of extinction by BA. This is exactly what BA wanted - a weakened BASSA (rather than a total vacuum which a bancrupt BASSA/T&G would have meant) which will enable the company agenda to progress in the coming years.
What mandate do you have? 41% said reject, 30?% for strike?
IMHO, you won't win anything with that level of commitment....
As a BA pilot I have no axe to grind in your dispute with your company; but what I can do is offer a few observations:
1. If you think you are in an awkward situation now, just wait for the propaganda and personal pressure to be applied to you and your families by the company in the next few weeks. The full might of the corporate machine will be brought to bear and it will be VERY uncomfortable
2. You will be made to feel that there is a real possibility of their being no job to return to.
3. The company will aim to fragment support
4. The company can outlast the majority of individuals who have rents/mortgages/credit cards to service. The city corporations will support the managment as they will have been briefed to the long term cost benefits.
5. BALPA usually recommends having 2 or 3 months salary available as cash on hand to fund any dispute - do you have that?
6. If you strike and lose a weeks salary, or maybe two. If you then achieve say 6% vs 4.8%, how long will it take to regain the lost money? Quite a while, especially when you take into consideration possible interest payments etc.
Now, at the end of the day, I support any legal action, but you have to go in appreciating the possible consequences and understanding them and the financial gains/losses that may result BEFORE you make that decision.
One thing Alfamatt says that I agree with is about unity baing crucial.
Even then, ask Alfamatt what BASSA achieved at BA with a 96% strike mandate earlier this year - and don't be mislead by the BASSA spin - they were destroyed almost to the point of extinction by BA. This is exactly what BA wanted - a weakened BASSA (rather than a total vacuum which a bancrupt BASSA/T&G would have meant) which will enable the company agenda to progress in the coming years.
What mandate do you have? 41% said reject, 30?% for strike?
IMHO, you won't win anything with that level of commitment....
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That comment really annoys me. I'm Virgin cabin crew, I have also worked short haul & charter and worked within a different role at Virgin, and I in no way think I am superior to anyone - be they at Virgin or Easyjet, in any position.
If I understand what is being said correctly, and I might not have, then the comment is being made that based on an hourly rate a technician and cabin crew earn the same money. The difference that as I see it is that a technician is able to do overtime etc to make up their money if they wish to, they are also not penalised by losing out on money when they are off sick or on leave, that would be leave that they also appear to have little control over when it is taken looking at the recent allocations for those of us based at MAN. A technician is paid their shift allowance constantly not only for the days when they are actually in work.
Yes, it is fair to say that we don't work particularly that many hours. However, as I have recently found out, it is difficult to take on a second job when there is every likelihood that your whole roster will end up changing just because of being called on one block of standby.
For me, what irked me most about the pay deal, wasn't the amount which we were / are being offered on basic pay, it was the way the company fiddled with the figures with each revised offer to make us think it was something better when effectively it was the same.
Please do not make comments saying "ALL Virgin crew" when you simply do not know what all cabin crew think.
If I understand what is being said correctly, and I might not have, then the comment is being made that based on an hourly rate a technician and cabin crew earn the same money. The difference that as I see it is that a technician is able to do overtime etc to make up their money if they wish to, they are also not penalised by losing out on money when they are off sick or on leave, that would be leave that they also appear to have little control over when it is taken looking at the recent allocations for those of us based at MAN. A technician is paid their shift allowance constantly not only for the days when they are actually in work.
Yes, it is fair to say that we don't work particularly that many hours. However, as I have recently found out, it is difficult to take on a second job when there is every likelihood that your whole roster will end up changing just because of being called on one block of standby.
For me, what irked me most about the pay deal, wasn't the amount which we were / are being offered on basic pay, it was the way the company fiddled with the figures with each revised offer to make us think it was something better when effectively it was the same.
Please do not make comments saying "ALL Virgin crew" when you simply do not know what all cabin crew think.
In my experience the 'superior' tag applies to 90% of virgin cabin crew i met over a 10 year period.
2. In relation to the terms and conditions of your employment......
I assume you did read the job contract before accepting????
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Enough is Enough........Stop It..!
The last few post are out of order and you are all behaving like a bunch of school boys.
Every employee in their departments has a chance to join a UNION.....it's E.U law.
Cabin Crew over the years have tried to join a union as we felt we needed representation because management would chop and change things around to suit them. After all these years we are finally in and have feedom to speak.
So other departments stay out of this it's our chance, our voice and vote..!
One day you might be in our postion.....! and yes you will have my support if your not being paid fairly.
Across the board are we as "cabin crew" in line with other long haul airlines being paid a good wage..? NO
Virgin Atlantic is one of the top named companies around the world so why does it pay it's crew on the budget side.
Forget allowances down route these don't and should not enter the figures, it's our time.
Only basic pay and flight pay should be calculated and for a junior crew member I find this very poor.
We as crew must support and look after each other or there will be a divide in ranks. We have to work together on this one like we do so well on board.
Regards
Virgin Dolly
The last few post are out of order and you are all behaving like a bunch of school boys.
Every employee in their departments has a chance to join a UNION.....it's E.U law.
Cabin Crew over the years have tried to join a union as we felt we needed representation because management would chop and change things around to suit them. After all these years we are finally in and have feedom to speak.
So other departments stay out of this it's our chance, our voice and vote..!
One day you might be in our postion.....! and yes you will have my support if your not being paid fairly.
Across the board are we as "cabin crew" in line with other long haul airlines being paid a good wage..? NO
Virgin Atlantic is one of the top named companies around the world so why does it pay it's crew on the budget side.
Forget allowances down route these don't and should not enter the figures, it's our time.
Only basic pay and flight pay should be calculated and for a junior crew member I find this very poor.
We as crew must support and look after each other or there will be a divide in ranks. We have to work together on this one like we do so well on board.
Regards
Virgin Dolly
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Virgin Dolly.....
I quite agree its your or anyone elses right to join a union and strike.
But just dont expect the full support of everyone within the company.
If you are all as underpaid as you claim then i dont see how you ever hope to acheive the increases you feel you deserve. Going out on strike is going to cost you individually which will hurt when it comes to paying the mortgage at the end of the month
Personally i dont see the problem, if you are as poorly paid as claimed then surely you simply vote with your feet and get one of these higher paid jobs at BA or elsewhere?
I'm not trying to be difficult but it seems simple to me?
I quite agree its your or anyone elses right to join a union and strike.
But just dont expect the full support of everyone within the company.
If you are all as underpaid as you claim then i dont see how you ever hope to acheive the increases you feel you deserve. Going out on strike is going to cost you individually which will hurt when it comes to paying the mortgage at the end of the month
Personally i dont see the problem, if you are as poorly paid as claimed then surely you simply vote with your feet and get one of these higher paid jobs at BA or elsewhere?
I'm not trying to be difficult but it seems simple to me?
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But lots of crew dont want to leave; they have spent years working their way up and to leave would be like starting all over again.
I cant speak for Jnrs and Snrs as I havent been on for a long time. But the cost of living has increased somewhat over the last 15 years but my salary has not kept in line with this, not to mention my experience and expertise.
I'm actually a yes voter (just) and dead set against striking to the point that I will offer my services for free if we go to strike. Going back to your previous post, does that smack of a superiour selfish person?
You will notice that from these boards about 50% are yes and the other half a no, nowhere near your 90%!!!!!!!!
I was a no voter all the way through as I found the offers insulting. Then with the last one I looked at the bigger picture and went for a yes.....just.
VAA management know that they have a problem here, its has already snowballed to this and I believe that they will address this. When it is addressed it will interesting to see how other dept react to their own salaries. Will the ground staff engineers raech for a union themselves?
This has not been handled well at all, and has been a learning curve for all involved. No doubt in the future things will run smoother, but I guess you have to make mistakes in the early days.
But lots of crew dont want to leave; they have spent years working their way up and to leave would be like starting all over again.
I cant speak for Jnrs and Snrs as I havent been on for a long time. But the cost of living has increased somewhat over the last 15 years but my salary has not kept in line with this, not to mention my experience and expertise.
I'm actually a yes voter (just) and dead set against striking to the point that I will offer my services for free if we go to strike. Going back to your previous post, does that smack of a superiour selfish person?
You will notice that from these boards about 50% are yes and the other half a no, nowhere near your 90%!!!!!!!!
I was a no voter all the way through as I found the offers insulting. Then with the last one I looked at the bigger picture and went for a yes.....just.
VAA management know that they have a problem here, its has already snowballed to this and I believe that they will address this. When it is addressed it will interesting to see how other dept react to their own salaries. Will the ground staff engineers raech for a union themselves?
This has not been handled well at all, and has been a learning curve for all involved. No doubt in the future things will run smoother, but I guess you have to make mistakes in the early days.
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Well good luck, i wouldnt underestimate the management or Virgin as a brand.
After all it seems they have already succeeded in recruiting cabin crew on 50% less pay than their competitors
Well good luck, i wouldnt underestimate the management or Virgin as a brand.
After all it seems they have already succeeded in recruiting cabin crew on 50% less pay than their competitors