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Old 21st Dec 2006, 03:51
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Faaa Int Newsletter

21 December 2006 ID74-06

Attention all Qantas Long Haul, Australian Airlines and Jetstar International Flight Attendants

STAND UP FOR QANTAS – STAND UP FOR AUSTRALIA

LETTERS TO FEDERAL POLITICIANS


The FAAA is a key and integral union involved in the Qantas Unions campaign asking the Federal Government to intervene to support Qantas and to stand up for Australia and our national interests.

The FAAA is acting in a co-ordinated manner with all the Qantas Unions under the umbrella of the ACTU. It is our policy to strongly support a JOINT unions approach on this critical issue. We have no intention of pursuing any approach that does not have the support of the majority of Qantas Unions.

In addition to the petition that was circulated yesterday, we now open the next phase of our campaign, which is for all our members to contact their local Federal Member and to make their views on the proposed takeover of Qantas known.

We include in this newsletter a suggested letter to your Federal Member, that each FAAA member can of course amend if you wish to. Also included is a list of all Federal Politicians with their contact details. If you are unsure as to which federal electorate you belong to please contact the Australian Electoral Commission in your state.

The time to become actively involved in this crucial campaign has arrived. All FAAA members should join in and ensure that your families, friends and acquaintances participate.


Support your jobs and working conditions, support Qantas and above all support Australia and the values that are threatened by this proposed takeover of Qantas!


Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.



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I'd like the whole wolf/twiggs thing to stop... immediately.

No further warnings - just shut up!
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the real comedian

geoff says he's keeping the 747-400 until end of decade cause thay are (quote) "so well maintained"
LOL -maybe he should get out of 1A every now & then and have a chat to one of his loyal F/Fs sitting in the U/S seat with the U/S AVOD......
this spin can't go on forever -
loyalty is a two way street -most crew I know are no longer apologising for the massive hard ware failures
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Danger Dad's Army -hardware

...........'can't help but to notice the same comparisons with our "aging" cricket team with our fleet of 747-300's.

'Did a PER return this week and let me be careful with my words on a public forum as I do not want to spook the punters, BUT this AC is clapped out and should be parked along side the 707 up at Longreach.

It -leaked water from U/D, many seat backs were U/S, Video broke down repeatedly, carpet was in tatters, galleys stunk of ???????, 2 ovens u/s, U/D toilets stunk of ???????, flight deck overhead console looked like a Xmas tree with the number of U/S tags hanging off switches, on the ground it rattles and lurches along likea FJ Holden, brakes squeak and grab, bulkheads stained /chipped and battered..............just to name but a few items in the CCL

I can't tell you how many hours I've spent in these ( once great ) AC over the years to LHR,FRA, FCO, JNB.........but that was over the last 10-15-20 years.

So when Geoff says -"yeah fine no problemo, we'll flog them 'till the end of the decade "-just illustrates to me ( again) he has no idea of what is happening in reality with this airline.

He needs to get out of the bankers boardrooms and start "pressing the flesh" with the troops to find out EXACTLY what is going on.....otherwise the Texans will be punting him faster than he can say Uluru.

Everyone knows ( except Geoff, Marg and son of Goanna ) the 743's are tired and need $$$$$$$$$$$$ spent on them. NOW !!!!

This decision will come back and bite him on the left buttock -my prediction for 2007
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Old 21st Dec 2006, 19:53
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This may seem a silly question (hope it doesn't) but after reading through the post by Stubby Jumbo,I have to ask wasn't the reason that Qantas ordered the 380's so that they could start retiring near life expired 747's etc?
With the delay in delivering the 380 have they shot themselves in the foot so to speak? and what effect will this have on the ability of Qantas to service its long haul network.
Will we see more cancellations or will they do what I do with my car,tape it up and hope nothing important like the brakes goes wrong till I find the time to get it repaired.?
You guys who work for them would know better than me but it sounds like Qantas might have to borrow some planes to keep flying
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I did a couple of PER day trips recently on the classic and my view is that it is still a much better way to fly across Australia in than a 737,767 or 332.
The problem with this aircraft is when it is used on long haul routes it is then compared to the 333 and 744 with which it can't compete.

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i may disagree, but from the

outset it looks good the older style j/c seates , more room in the cabin etc. but i do agree with stubby the ongoing problems within the cabins are outrages. i as well as many of my collegues stopped apologising because nothing changes. there was apparently some talk at higher levels to spend another 20+ millions on imporoving the but i think the reality has set in the are beyond repair. let's fly them return syd/mel to per and let the punters burn as many FF points. as one bloke said to me the other day every time i go on this heap of S%^& most things dont work. I replied"send GD an email",he is on the public email list.
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BA Cabin Crew Strike

BA facing new strike threat from cabin crew
Graham Dunn, London (15Dec06, 15:32 GMT, 491 words)

British Airways (BA) chief executive Willie Walsh is calling for a meeting with the general secretary of the Transport and General Workers’ Union (T&G), after cabin crew union BASSA, which is part of the T&G, announced plans to ballot its members on industrial action.

The T&G represents 11,000 cabin crew at the Oneworld carrier and says BA management has become “increasingly inclined to impose new practices rather than negotiate”.

Contentious issues include management of sickness absence which, the union says, puts cabin crew under pressure to turn up for work even when unwell, and the imposed abolition of some higher grades and lower rates for new starters.

Balloting begins on 21 December and should be completed on 12 January. Any industrial action would then have to wait for at least another week.

T&G regional secretary Steve Hart says: "Cabin crew have seen their terms and conditions attacked and imposition from management rather than negotiation. They justifiably feel aggrieved and do not take this decision lightly. It is a serious breakdown of industrial relations.

“We remain convinced that a negotiated solution is possible but I urge BA management to act to resolve this dispute at the earliest possible opportunity.”

Following BASSA’s move to break off talks with the airline, Walsh is now calling for a meeting with T&G general secretary Tony Woodley to discuss the issues raised by unions. “We're disappointed that BASSA has raised the prospect of industrial action in January but we're seeking to avert a dispute with the help of the T&G,” he says.

BA has been talking to two cabin crew unions – BASSA (T&G) and Amicus – on changes to work practices aimed at contributing to its goal of cutting £450 million ($885 million) in costs by March 2008.

“BASSA has remained opposed to key elements of our business plan. Indeed, many of the requests put forward by BASSA would prevent any change to working arrangements and add millions of pounds to our employee costs,” says Walsh. “This cannot be the way forward at a time when other parts of our business have negotiated and balloted to accept new competitive ways of working.”

The issue is unrelated to BA’s continuing discussions with unions aimed at hammering out an agreement with unions on proposals to tackle the carrier’s £2 billion pension deficit; both sides report progress from their latest meeting on this.

BA last month agreed with trustees to raise the size of its one-off contribution to help tackle the deficit, but it is conditional on securing union support for changes to the scheme.

Unions tabled a counter-proposal to BA during a meeting yesterday, which both sides say resulted in constructive discussions.

“The trade union side financial advisers will meet with their BA counterparts over the coming days to clarify assumptions,” the unions say in a joint statement. “This will be followed by a joint meeting aimed at developing a proposal that would be put to members for their consideration.”

Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
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Old 22nd Dec 2006, 03:33
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This from page 2 of Financial Review today (22/12)Quote"Qantas has formalised an order for eight more Airbus A380 aircraft on Thursday ,saying it would use the smaller Airbus A330-200 aircraft to fill excess capacity on long haul routes until the French manufacturer delivered the planes in late 2008.
The airline would defer retiring its Boeing 747-400 aircraft to address capacity in the interim."
Says it all really.
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Old 22nd Dec 2006, 06:25
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I reckon the other problem with using an aircraft flying well past it's used by date is the company adverts.

On the road near the drive to the airport are ads telling the punters that they can go to the movies while they fly to Sydney. The papershop at the airport is doing a roaring trade when the pa is made that the IFE has given up the ghost in such and such zone.After all the hype Ma and Pa Kettle and the rugrats are looking forward to watching the flicks and end up reading the paper and No Idea for hours.

It's just as well theres room for the punters to move about because theres no real reason to stay in your seat.

As a joker on D&G said the new motto for our company is "Yesterdays technology tomorro"


I reckon there might be a way for the crew to make a quick buck.we could rent out iPods
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news item

not sure if this has been posted already....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20965199-2,00.html

Qantas sacks alleged 'saboteur'

By Peter Veness
December 22, 2006 04:19pm
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QANTAS has sacked a flight attendant for allegedly shoving blankets down toilets on a number of international flights.
The airline also believes the man tampered with phones used by crew to communicate with each other.
Qantas has refused to comment on the matter, but it is believed a male flight attendant has been sacked and will be taking his case to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission.
It is also believed the Australian Federal Police have been called in to investigate the matter.
Lawyers for the man have told him not to co-operate with police beyond a basic interview.
One incident is said to have occurred onboard a Boeing 747 heading for Los Angeles from Sydney.
The plane was grounded for 24 hours while engineers worked to fix the toilet.
The alleged incident has been linked to an on-going industrial relations campaign by Qantas staff which has elevated in recent weeks following the planned privatisation of the airline by private equity consortium Airline Partners Australia.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia, which would likely represent the accused man in any court proceeding, announced a letter writing campaign against the deal yesterday.
All Qantas unions are urging their members to write to MPs and senators in a bid to highlight national interest concerns associated with the privatisation.
Unions are running several campaigns to save the airline from privatisation.
The Australian and International Pilots Association has suggested its members may try to buy enough shares in the company to block a sale.
The association would have to buy nine per cent of the airline to stop the takeover.
Prime Minister John Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello have voiced their support for the current arrangements at the airline.
Mr Howard has constantly repeated his wish that "the Qantas we have is the Qantas we keep".
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intangibles on a balance sheet

The "Wonder from Wagga Wagga" is starting to look & sound a little worried.
Did anyone show the seppos & McMaggots the Hewitt Survey results before they put in their bid?

Unlike "Goodwill" - "Staff Morale " does not appear on a company's balance sheet. However, with a company like Qantas -its one of its greatest assets.

The smartest man in the room (Geoff) reckons morale is a laughable joke -however his years of treating his staff (and the media) with withering contempt are now coming home to roost

The Equity group may not be happy when it finds out too late THAT GEOFF HAS ALREADY STRIPPED THE COMPANY OF ONE OF ITS GREATEST ASSETS -STAFF GOODWILL

The Hewitt was one of the most profound summations of what Qantas is today. the Bankers are now about to reap the economic costs of this almost criminal neglect by Qantas Senior Management.

The Equity Group kept geoff on cause they thought he was doing a good job managing and inspiring his staff.
The Hewitt report concluded -"the Emperor from Wagga Has No Clothes On."
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Qantas --- The Flying Casino??

It appears that the Texas Pacific Group is flushed with cash paying US$90 a share with Apollo Management for Harrahs Entertainment the worlds largest casino group. Looks like that when the A380 finally does enter service with QF that it will be a flying casino...........well craps to that!!!........though I bet some crew on their time off will be gambling away their allowances!!!

Does this mean that our new owners will be wearing suits with black shirts and white ties?

Harrah's Agrees to Be Acquired by Apollo and TPG
Stockholders to Receive $90.00 Per Share in Cash; Transaction Valued at Approximately $27.8 Billion
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 19, 2006--Harrah's Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: HET) today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement for affiliates of Texas Pacific Group (TPG) and Apollo Management, L.P. to acquire Harrah's in an all-cash transaction valued at approximately $27.8 billion, including the assumption of approximately $10.7 billion of debt.
Under the terms of the agreement, Harrah's stockholders will receive $90.00 in cash for each outstanding Harrah's share. This represents a premium of approximately 36% over Harrah's closing share price on September 29, 2006, the last trading day before disclosure of the initial offer made by Apollo and TPG to acquire Harrah's for $81.00 per share.
The Harrah's Board of Directors, based on the recommendation of a Special Committee of non-management directors which conducted a thorough review of Harrah's strategic alternatives, has approved the agreement and has recommended that Harrah's stockholders vote in favor of the agreement.
"In Apollo and TPG, we will have owners who share our vision for Harrah's, are fully supportive of our current strategy and are committed to helping us execute on it. This will be a change in ownership, not a change in direction," said Gary Loveman, Harrah's chairman, chief executive officer and president. "Harrah's management team and its 85,000 talented employees look forward to working with Apollo and TPG as the Company moves into the next phase of its growth and development."
"After careful consideration of the full range of strategic alternatives, the Special Committee and the full Board concluded this transaction is in the best interest of Harrah's stockholders," said Robert Miller, co-chairman of the Special Committee. "Apollo and TPG are both leading private equity firms with proven track records and strong reputations."
David Bonderman, TPG founding partner, said, "We are delighted to be joining with the excellent management team at Harrah's and our private equity partners to continue to build on the Company's strong foundation. Taking a long-term perspective, we believe we will be able to help Harrah's deliver on its growth strategy."
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I find it very disturbing that the media has printed an article like this .We are lucky to live in a country that we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.If the individual IS guilty then he should face the full effect of the law.However after watching the company's security efforts in the past he is more than likely going to get off on a technicality.

What disrurbs me though is the sentence that "the saboteur" has been linked to an on going industrial campaign"....

WHO linked these two events?

This is the sort of effect that media reports have and I can only guess who is behind the "LINKING".

The company uderstands the effect of a media campaign and is willing to fight dirty by hinting that this mindless moron was part of our efforts to stop the takeover.

The FAAA should put out a press statement to the contrary immediately or the company gets away with it AGAIN.


"The alleged incident has been linked to an on-going industrial relations campaign by Qantas staff which has elevated in recent weeks following the planned privatisation of the airline by private equity consortium Airline Partners Australia.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia, which would likely represent the accused man in any court proceeding, announced a letter writing campaign against the deal yesterday.
All Qantas unions are urging their members to write to MPs and senators in a bid to highlight national interest concerns associated with the privatisation.
Unions are running several campaigns to save the airline from privatisation."


As far as the reliability of the 300's is concerned or I should say the lack of reliability we should be operating the recently returned 707 on the Perth shuttles.It would probably be more reliable and enthusiasts would be falling over them selves to fly once again on it
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Old 22nd Dec 2006, 20:11
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THe FAAA commented to AAP and was interviewed on several radio stations last night when the story broke. The FAAA position stated in those interviews was that the matter was being taken to the AIRC for independent review, where the FAAA currently has an enviable record.

Second, the FAAA commented that there is no evidence whatsoever that directly links the accused to any of these events. The Company appears to be relying on purely circumstantial evidence to find the accused guilty.

Thirdly, the accussed absolutely denies any involvement whatsoever and will be supported by the FAAA in the AIRC to be reinstated.


Finally, the FAAA stated that their is no industrial campaign by flight attendants against Qantas.
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Old 23rd Dec 2006, 03:12
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pegasus,
What would you do if the evidence was not circumstancial and was very damaging and it looked likw he was the goose that had done it?
Would you spend/use or mates of mine would say waste union funds on his defence?

If it looked as he was giulty without a doubt would you defend him?

I'm not trying to start a fight but this is just a question that came up over a few beers with some mates
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Lowerlobe,

Happy to stand corrected on the super issue. I was only aware of the facts as given on the Ansett staff website. Obviously these were a little short of the exact truth . Also happy therefore to publicly retract scaremongering comment.
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Priapism,

Thanks for that and I'm sorry if I sounded a little touchy as I thought you were having a shot at me but anyway it's water under the bridge.

Hope you have a safe and merry christmas
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Well Roaming...to answer your question ...its often a very difficult decision as an individual.

In Australia we work on a system of innocent until proven guilty. It is not up to the individual to prove their innocence its up to the accuser to prove their case.

Qantas Cabin CRew management have a track record of duplicity, misrepresentation and utter incompetence. Often as individuals we think that a person is possibly guilty. But fortunately the FAAA does not base its decisions on what individuals may think but on what can be proven.

In the commission the FAAA has had the last three terminations by the company overturned by the AIRC. An independent body that weighs all the evidence and makes a decision based on a totally independent perspective.

It is against that backdrop that the FAAA will support its members. If a member admits to a particular offence the FAAA will not LIE or Misrepresent the matter but will continue to get the best possible outcome for the member based on a plea of guilty so to speak.

Hope that clarifies how the FAAA has operated for many years
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Thanks Pegasus ,

it will be interesting to watch what happens.The company does not have a great track record in these things.I would not like to be acused of something I had nothing to do with so I go along with your post.
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