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Hornscorp,
I am certainly not having a go at MAM casuals but instead their conditions and pay.It seems funny to me that there are those who post here that defend those atrocious terms and conditions.
As far as your statement “You only have to look at the latest survey rating to see the public have noticed that employing MAM casuals have helped lift the cabin crew satisfaction rating a lot higher than they have been for years....” ……is concerned that is a load of rubbish…
To try and tell us that the MAM casuals that are employed work harder and are better received than full time crew is a joke. Here is a challenge post the survey results that show pax are happier with MAM casuals than other crew.What floor in Qantas do you work?
I am certainly not having a go at MAM casuals but instead their conditions and pay.It seems funny to me that there are those who post here that defend those atrocious terms and conditions.
As far as your statement “You only have to look at the latest survey rating to see the public have noticed that employing MAM casuals have helped lift the cabin crew satisfaction rating a lot higher than they have been for years....” ……is concerned that is a load of rubbish…
To try and tell us that the MAM casuals that are employed work harder and are better received than full time crew is a joke. Here is a challenge post the survey results that show pax are happier with MAM casuals than other crew.What floor in Qantas do you work?
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I tell you what Boys and Girls if Pegasus is right and the pay at mam is over 60 grand a year the application line must be a mile long.On the flip side if it is 1200 a fortnite instead of a week you'd have to be keen.
Wait till GD finds out how much they pay and he'll have a heart attack
Wait till GD finds out how much they pay and he'll have a heart attack
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well a 5 day mumbai is worth about 900 in pay and about 400 plus in non taxable DTA for the MAM casuals. I would suggest that the MAM casuals would also be in the firing line if the Howard govt gets another show in.
The Jetstar INt and domestic crew are paid much less than the mam casuals despite getting holiday pay etc...
The MAM casuals are just part of the COmpany's current strategy to weaken the stranglehold on full time employment. In order to give SH crew part time flying they have agreed to unlimited casuals.
I think unlimited casuals is an appalling industrial strategy but now perfectly legals under the new IR laws. As its illegal to place any CAP on casual or contract staff.
Great challenges for any group of workers to over come let alone just flight attendants.
The Jetstar INt and domestic crew are paid much less than the mam casuals despite getting holiday pay etc...
The MAM casuals are just part of the COmpany's current strategy to weaken the stranglehold on full time employment. In order to give SH crew part time flying they have agreed to unlimited casuals.
I think unlimited casuals is an appalling industrial strategy but now perfectly legals under the new IR laws. As its illegal to place any CAP on casual or contract staff.
Great challenges for any group of workers to over come let alone just flight attendants.
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get on the phone
SPECIAL CREW VOICE - EQUITY BID OFFER
A special Crew Voice session will be held Wednesday 10 January
at 11.15am (AUST EST).
This special session will focus on your questions around the
equity bid offer and will be hosted by Lesley Grant,
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Join the conference call by dialling in on the following numbers:
Your Service Access Number is: 1800 681 583 (Domestic Access)
You can call from home or upline - you do not need to be in
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ask her how they equity guys finance the 11 billion, pay the interest, finance new aircraft, pay huge bonuses, pay ongoing fees to everyone involved in the bid and not slash and burn.
Cant wait listening to the spin
A special Crew Voice session will be held Wednesday 10 January
at 11.15am (AUST EST).
This special session will focus on your questions around the
equity bid offer and will be hosted by Lesley Grant,
Group General Manager Customer Product and Services.
Join the conference call by dialling in on the following numbers:
Your Service Access Number is: 1800 681 583 (Domestic Access)
You can call from home or upline - you do not need to be in
the base.
ask her how they equity guys finance the 11 billion, pay the interest, finance new aircraft, pay huge bonuses, pay ongoing fees to everyone involved in the bid and not slash and burn.
Cant wait listening to the spin
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Pegasus ,
Do you have anything to say on the comment that pax surveys have shown a rise in satisfaction because of MAM crew compared to full time crew.
It's great to say you will x dollars per whatever trip but what if you are sick or on annual leave and what if you only do a couple of those trips a roster.
Do you have anything to say on the comment that pax surveys have shown a rise in satisfaction because of MAM crew compared to full time crew.
It's great to say you will x dollars per whatever trip but what if you are sick or on annual leave and what if you only do a couple of those trips a roster.
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mam pay
when i was around the pay was great, clearing anywhere from 1800-2400 per fortnight, depending on trips. For the work done its easy money, however dead boring job.
Im sure the pay thing has been done before, but its about $32 per hour i think. So work it out yourselves...
I have a question though, and I am not pointing the finger at anyone, but it seems the regular posters of the qantas forum are constantly posting on here.
Do you guys ever work in the air? Or are you office spies?
Im sure the pay thing has been done before, but its about $32 per hour i think. So work it out yourselves...
I have a question though, and I am not pointing the finger at anyone, but it seems the regular posters of the qantas forum are constantly posting on here.
Do you guys ever work in the air? Or are you office spies?
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What Pax Surveys ?
I did 47 trips as a passenger with Qantas in 2006 and I was never surveyed about C/Crew or anything to do with Qantas,perhaps I was unlucky,to tell you the truth I wouldn't know the difference between an MAM employee or a Qantas one,they all seem to wear the same uniform so it would be hard for anyone to say with any authority that customer satisfaction had improved if the pax couldn't tell the difference.
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mamslave,
We live in interesting times and it pays to keep your eye on the ball.I don't know what you do for a living now but have you heard of internet cafes and lap tops?
The question remains why do you post when you are no longer a crew member.You can hardly criticise others for posting on this and the MAM thread when you are no longer one yourself.
There seems to be a large discrepancy with various MAM crew posting pay figures.You tell us 32.00 others have said 25.00 per hour .However if you are telling us that you used to get 62400 a year then L/H are certainly not the most expensive around in QF.
We live in interesting times and it pays to keep your eye on the ball.I don't know what you do for a living now but have you heard of internet cafes and lap tops?
The question remains why do you post when you are no longer a crew member.You can hardly criticise others for posting on this and the MAM thread when you are no longer one yourself.
There seems to be a large discrepancy with various MAM crew posting pay figures.You tell us 32.00 others have said 25.00 per hour .However if you are telling us that you used to get 62400 a year then L/H are certainly not the most expensive around in QF.
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Permanent Crew cf. Casuals
As a passenger how would you be able to differentiate between permanent crew and casuals?
I have yet to see a badge that says "I am a Casual"
Please dont go on about differing attitude.
Although permanent crew do live under the threat of clause 11s and may not be prepared to have a joke just in case.
I definitely can`t tell the difference
I have yet to see a badge that says "I am a Casual"
Please dont go on about differing attitude.
Although permanent crew do live under the threat of clause 11s and may not be prepared to have a joke just in case.
I definitely can`t tell the difference
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Well its a base of around $27 i think plus the $4.98 dta, give or take...
lowerlobe please dont attack me.
I feel i can still post on this board as many of my friends still fly @ mam and still keep me in the loop.
As for laptops and netcafes, don't you have better things to do on an overnight, rather than to post on pprune???
Well its a base of around $27 i think plus the $4.98 dta, give or take...
lowerlobe please dont attack me.
I feel i can still post on this board as many of my friends still fly @ mam and still keep me in the loop.
As for laptops and netcafes, don't you have better things to do on an overnight, rather than to post on pprune???
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As a general rule, I would say that MAM casuals would have an 'eager to please anybody' attitude, so they get good feedback and would hope this would lead to being offered a permanent position.
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The way you can tell a MAM casual is they are 21yrs old and younger, pretty good looking and do all the crap flying.
If your on the QF401, SYD-MEL 0515am sign-on for a 4.50hr duty -then the flight is full of them. (or a CBR return - 3hr20min duty)
Full timers dont want that!
on a different note... Maq Bank shares are $76.85 each. Holy crap!
If your on the QF401, SYD-MEL 0515am sign-on for a 4.50hr duty -then the flight is full of them. (or a CBR return - 3hr20min duty)
Full timers dont want that!
on a different note... Maq Bank shares are $76.85 each. Holy crap!
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Crew Differentiation
...and the customer says ..you are so eager to please golly gosh you must be a MAM casual.
C`mon people..most of the SLF dont even know a K seat from an A seat.
Give me a break.
C`mon people..most of the SLF dont even know a K seat from an A seat.
Give me a break.
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MAM oh MAM... the hourly rate is high ($31ish, including DTA) because you don't get paid when you are sick or when there are too many people and not enough work, etc.
MAM have 3 contracts:
A: Original contract. A's were ANSETT flight attendants employed when AN collapsed. They tell QF when they want to work, but get work after Contract C&B's have all been used. Were offered permanent work if they moved to PER base in 05. Some are now CSM's in QF.
B: Have to give QF 12 days a month. 3 days are given or allocated to them by the company (always a weekend or public holiday).
C: Current contract. Must work 20 days a month which is allocated to them by the company. They can request to have 3 days off but during Christmas, New Year, etc. they don't get their requested days off. They must take one full month off every year. They are guaranteed 85hours per month pay.
You can see clearly that MAM is NOT on a good deal if you take into effect that they are NEVER going to get a full-time job with QF. Especially, contract C who are Full-time employees at casual rates. C Contract people are worked hard... over 120 hours a month easy in normal months (not slow months like this month).
The new contract C has brought in alot more people that are young. Some respect the job but some do not. Maybe because it used to be alot harder to get in... now.... too easy.
GD said around 00-01?? that he wants a 40% casual workforce... I guess you have to admit... he did warn us!
MAM have 3 contracts:
A: Original contract. A's were ANSETT flight attendants employed when AN collapsed. They tell QF when they want to work, but get work after Contract C&B's have all been used. Were offered permanent work if they moved to PER base in 05. Some are now CSM's in QF.
B: Have to give QF 12 days a month. 3 days are given or allocated to them by the company (always a weekend or public holiday).
C: Current contract. Must work 20 days a month which is allocated to them by the company. They can request to have 3 days off but during Christmas, New Year, etc. they don't get their requested days off. They must take one full month off every year. They are guaranteed 85hours per month pay.
You can see clearly that MAM is NOT on a good deal if you take into effect that they are NEVER going to get a full-time job with QF. Especially, contract C who are Full-time employees at casual rates. C Contract people are worked hard... over 120 hours a month easy in normal months (not slow months like this month).
The new contract C has brought in alot more people that are young. Some respect the job but some do not. Maybe because it used to be alot harder to get in... now.... too easy.
GD said around 00-01?? that he wants a 40% casual workforce... I guess you have to admit... he did warn us!
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I dont believe a single word about surveys. Not a word. I have seen all the surveys on my flights and read them all. I have rarely if ever seen a survey that rated Cabin Crew less than very good.
I find it impossible to believe that anyone could differentiate between any class of employee in analyzing the survey results unless they were looking at whole flights and routes where crew were segrgated into classifications, and i dont blieve that is the case
I find it impossible to believe that anyone could differentiate between any class of employee in analyzing the survey results unless they were looking at whole flights and routes where crew were segrgated into classifications, and i dont blieve that is the case
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This thread has now reached a pretty big size, so for ease of use and housekeeping, a new thread has been opened here - QANTAS - Australia III - please continue conversations on the new thread.
Usual conditions apply - and please try not to get into a new MAM row on issues which cannot be proven either way.
Usual conditions apply - and please try not to get into a new MAM row on issues which cannot be proven either way.
