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As a matter of fact I'm all for the presumption of innocence which is something that apparently the company has not considered on many occasions.
However after reading the Saturday papers and in particular the article about the "Saboteur" and the inference that this mindless act of stupidity is part of an industrial campaign that we as cabin crew would condone or consider I would not feel any sympathy for the person IF found guilty.
In fact as part of the punishment he should do time as a worker in a sewerage treatment plant as well as lodging in Long bay.
Just read today’s Sun Herald and in one article mentioned the PM’s Christmas party at Kirribilli.
Apart from the spat between QF board member JP and Channel 7 boss DL was another partygoer a certain BM.You might know BM as head of the airline consortium bidding to takeover QF.It did not mention whether Darth or MJ were there though.
It does not look good for those of us who would like the Gov to give this takeover a big NO if the consortiums head is invited to Kirribilli House for Christmas cake.
Why do I get the feeling that the PM would like to use QF to show Australia just how effective his new IR laws are ?
If ever there was another example of why Johnny must go this is it.
However after reading the Saturday papers and in particular the article about the "Saboteur" and the inference that this mindless act of stupidity is part of an industrial campaign that we as cabin crew would condone or consider I would not feel any sympathy for the person IF found guilty.
In fact as part of the punishment he should do time as a worker in a sewerage treatment plant as well as lodging in Long bay.
Just read today’s Sun Herald and in one article mentioned the PM’s Christmas party at Kirribilli.
Apart from the spat between QF board member JP and Channel 7 boss DL was another partygoer a certain BM.You might know BM as head of the airline consortium bidding to takeover QF.It did not mention whether Darth or MJ were there though.
It does not look good for those of us who would like the Gov to give this takeover a big NO if the consortiums head is invited to Kirribilli House for Christmas cake.
Why do I get the feeling that the PM would like to use QF to show Australia just how effective his new IR laws are ?
If ever there was another example of why Johnny must go this is it.
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Just rang a mate in brisvegas and he told me that the Brissy crew have been directed to take Long Service Leave.Some are being made to take nearly a whole roster.
Unless they have just been carmenised I reckon it does not sound good.
Unless they have just been carmenised I reckon it does not sound good.
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Jetlag
Damn I knew I should have taken the package!!
I wonder if they use elderly rats when they do studies on management?
Jetlagged mice die, US study find.
Tuesday Dec 26 16:51 AEDT
A study that exposed elderly mice to the ravages of regular long-haul flights found most of them died.
The University of Virginia study showed a majority of older mice died while being subjected to the equivalent of a Washington to Paris flight once a week for eight weeks, The Washington Post reported.
More intense forms of jetlag sped up the death rate in the elderly rodents, the study found.
Experts say the study is one of the first hard scientific looks into the health effects of jetlag.
Younger mice seemed to rebound more quickly and were not immediately harmed by the jetlag.
Simulated jetlag conditions were created by advancing and delaying the rodent's exposure to light.
But researchers aren't sure what conclusions to draw from the results, the newspaper said.
Gene Block, the report's co-author, said older mice might be more susceptible to sudden light changes than younger mice. Or, he said, jetlag might be a health problem that builds up in younger subjects, causing future maladies.
To further explore the issue, his researchers have launched another set of tests to determine whether jetlag causes long-term health consequences in younger and middle-age rodents, Block said.
Block's study also hinted at what flyers have been saying for years - it's more difficult to adjust to time zone changes when flying east.
The researchers found 53 per cent of elderly mice died when they were subjected to a simulated weekly flight from Washington to Paris over the eight-week study.
The death rate dropped to 32 per cent of elderly mice on a simulated Paris to Washington route, according to the study, which was published last month in the journal Current Biology.
Seventeen per cent of the mice in a control group died in the eight-week study.
©AAP 20069 NEWSWATCH
I wonder if they use elderly rats when they do studies on management?
Jetlagged mice die, US study find.
Tuesday Dec 26 16:51 AEDT
A study that exposed elderly mice to the ravages of regular long-haul flights found most of them died.
The University of Virginia study showed a majority of older mice died while being subjected to the equivalent of a Washington to Paris flight once a week for eight weeks, The Washington Post reported.
More intense forms of jetlag sped up the death rate in the elderly rodents, the study found.
Experts say the study is one of the first hard scientific looks into the health effects of jetlag.
Younger mice seemed to rebound more quickly and were not immediately harmed by the jetlag.
Simulated jetlag conditions were created by advancing and delaying the rodent's exposure to light.
But researchers aren't sure what conclusions to draw from the results, the newspaper said.
Gene Block, the report's co-author, said older mice might be more susceptible to sudden light changes than younger mice. Or, he said, jetlag might be a health problem that builds up in younger subjects, causing future maladies.
To further explore the issue, his researchers have launched another set of tests to determine whether jetlag causes long-term health consequences in younger and middle-age rodents, Block said.
Block's study also hinted at what flyers have been saying for years - it's more difficult to adjust to time zone changes when flying east.
The researchers found 53 per cent of elderly mice died when they were subjected to a simulated weekly flight from Washington to Paris over the eight-week study.
The death rate dropped to 32 per cent of elderly mice on a simulated Paris to Washington route, according to the study, which was published last month in the journal Current Biology.
Seventeen per cent of the mice in a control group died in the eight-week study.
©AAP 20069 NEWSWATCH
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I find it a pity that the media don't have to say where they got their info from.
They can basically say whatever they want and as they say "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story"...ahh journalistic integrity
They can basically say whatever they want and as they say "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story"...ahh journalistic integrity
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Shorthaul has just been offered 6months leave without pay or 6months part-time. Starts in March 07.
And to think that 60 people just missed out on VR.
They offer this whilst 27 classes of MAM casuals are being trained.
Strange.
And to think that 60 people just missed out on VR.
They offer this whilst 27 classes of MAM casuals are being trained.
Strange.
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Interesting info from sydney s/h...
We have directed LSL in l/h for what must be around 18 months which I'm convinced was too reduce the debt level of the company for one purpose only.Then we have the VR package that we were never going to have according to those in the fishbowl and to this day the company will still not tell us how many left.
Then the rumours about promotion by "pay less for cash" in Auckland .
Just before Christmas we get the news about a takeover bid by a consortium followed by news of massive amounts of directed LSL in BNE and now LWOP in s/h not for a few weeks but for 1/2 a year whilst a huge number of classes of casuals are going through.
When do the LHR based crew start coming back to Australia ?
As Sydney s/h said "Strange"..that is until the last piece of the puzzle is in place.
We have directed LSL in l/h for what must be around 18 months which I'm convinced was too reduce the debt level of the company for one purpose only.Then we have the VR package that we were never going to have according to those in the fishbowl and to this day the company will still not tell us how many left.
Then the rumours about promotion by "pay less for cash" in Auckland .
Just before Christmas we get the news about a takeover bid by a consortium followed by news of massive amounts of directed LSL in BNE and now LWOP in s/h not for a few weeks but for 1/2 a year whilst a huge number of classes of casuals are going through.
When do the LHR based crew start coming back to Australia ?
As Sydney s/h said "Strange"..that is until the last piece of the puzzle is in place.
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Some quotes from poor old Lowerlobe (he/she must be old to have a name like that!), and some questions and comments.
Ground staff have had to put up with directed leave for quite a few years. This is nothing new and has nothing to do with a balance sheet build-up in readiness for sale. You should be so lucky as many employees have to take leave when it falls due or within 12 months or forfeit the lot. It is not meant to be accrued and cash taken in lieu.
Why should the airline tell you how many have left? After all, what business is it of yours, mine or anyone other than those who have gone and their employer?
Where is yours?
We have directed LSL in l/h for what must be around 18 months which I'm convinced was too reduce the debt level of the company for one purpose only.
Then we have the VR package that we were never going to have according to those in the fishbowl and to this day the company will still not tell us how many left.
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Well, in my opinion, I think that story was unsourced for pretty good reasons. Perhaps Mr Veness spoke directly with the CC who did not want to be named. There is always a reason, I find, for information not being sourced and often that reason is that the source has sought confidentiality and been granted on the grounds of public interest.
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Qf Waitlist
Finally after nearly 2years and 1year later than advised,I recieved an email from cabin crew recruitment giving me 3 options in regard to my application.
1.Transfer my application to m.a.m..
2.Remain on the waitlist for another 9 months for a permanent position with QF.[ which I am sure will never happen] .
3.Withdraw my application.
Seems like only one option really if Iwant to fly... Also I will be required to attend another panel interview...
but with all the leave they seem to be offering nothing makes much sense..
1.Transfer my application to m.a.m..
2.Remain on the waitlist for another 9 months for a permanent position with QF.[ which I am sure will never happen] .
3.Withdraw my application.
Seems like only one option really if Iwant to fly... Also I will be required to attend another panel interview...
but with all the leave they seem to be offering nothing makes much sense..
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the media
Do not believe anything you see or read in the media written by journalists regarding our industry. You will notice that most articles are published by so called "airline anylists". Who the hell are they to say what is going on with this industry? What is written or told is only their perception and quite often not based on any fact. They are paid to analise this industry and they only quote "facts" when they actually have them, the rest is only their view. I really see no point in their job but to spread rumours and speculation. If these people were serious journalists they would be covering more interesting stories. But I guess the job of an "airline analyst" does become boring, my god I could sit at home and write pages about what I think is going to happen to Qantas or this airline or that, but I don't get paid to think nor do I have the time to read some of the trash these reporters publish.
Sorry, had to get it out....I'm sick of them
Sorry, had to get it out....I'm sick of them
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Poor Old Don and his posts..
I have looked at a few of old Dons previous posts and found the only real purpose behind them but this is one I liked.
“Since when has it been a crime to be provocative? You obviously don't like the truth.”
…and this was in support of guess who………..None other than BALert…
And Don asks where my integrity is?
Midflight Wonder,
I found what you mean when you said look no further than this forum to see where the press is getting their story in reference to the mindless moron who is sabotaging the toilets.
One of the people who posts here said in relation to the blanket issue that it looks like the STR campaign again.
It does not help when a supposed crew member accuses crew as a group of a criminal act without proof and on a public forum.To suggest that your workmates would consider or condone an illegal act such as this is deplorable.
No wonder our media snoops get stories which are pure fiction but which damage the reputation of crew
I have looked at a few of old Dons previous posts and found the only real purpose behind them but this is one I liked.
“Since when has it been a crime to be provocative? You obviously don't like the truth.”
…and this was in support of guess who………..None other than BALert…
And Don asks where my integrity is?
Midflight Wonder,
I found what you mean when you said look no further than this forum to see where the press is getting their story in reference to the mindless moron who is sabotaging the toilets.
One of the people who posts here said in relation to the blanket issue that it looks like the STR campaign again.
It does not help when a supposed crew member accuses crew as a group of a criminal act without proof and on a public forum.To suggest that your workmates would consider or condone an illegal act such as this is deplorable.
No wonder our media snoops get stories which are pure fiction but which damage the reputation of crew
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Retireee Staff Travel to go???
A well placed source in "non" cabin crew management reveals that a group has been put together to find core cost savings for the new potential owners.
This is on top of the Sustainable futures reductions already being sourced.
The same source also revealed that Retiree Staff Travel will be one of the first to go as the FBT component is currently being paid by the COmpany. The FBT is one of the things that costs the COmpany in terms of staff travel. Under agreement reached with the ACTU when FBT was introduced, FBT would be borne by the COmpany rather than the individual.
Commuting Tech and Cabin Crew apparently are the greatest contributors to the FBT bill for Qantas and a review of the number of Domestic tickets is currently underway as is a review of the FBT arrangements.
Cabin Crew and Tech Crew Meal allowances are high on the agenda and the COmpany favours the DTA system in short haul (currently $4.79 per hour) for its simplicity and manageability.
More to come.....
The challenges for the current AIPA negotiations for the Tech Crew LH EBA and the upcoming LH Cabin Crew EBA will be enormous
This is on top of the Sustainable futures reductions already being sourced.
The same source also revealed that Retiree Staff Travel will be one of the first to go as the FBT component is currently being paid by the COmpany. The FBT is one of the things that costs the COmpany in terms of staff travel. Under agreement reached with the ACTU when FBT was introduced, FBT would be borne by the COmpany rather than the individual.
Commuting Tech and Cabin Crew apparently are the greatest contributors to the FBT bill for Qantas and a review of the number of Domestic tickets is currently underway as is a review of the FBT arrangements.
Cabin Crew and Tech Crew Meal allowances are high on the agenda and the COmpany favours the DTA system in short haul (currently $4.79 per hour) for its simplicity and manageability.
More to come.....
The challenges for the current AIPA negotiations for the Tech Crew LH EBA and the upcoming LH Cabin Crew EBA will be enormous
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Guys ,here's something interesting about Dick's new airline in the US.
"The US government tossed a roadblock in the path of start-up airline Virgin America, ruling that the company must change its ownership and corporate structure before it can receive an operating certificate.
Under the law, a US airline must be 75 per cent owned and controlled by Americans and the Department of Transportation said Virgin America does not currently meet that requirement."
I reckon we should have that 75% rule as well.
"The US government tossed a roadblock in the path of start-up airline Virgin America, ruling that the company must change its ownership and corporate structure before it can receive an operating certificate.
Under the law, a US airline must be 75 per cent owned and controlled by Americans and the Department of Transportation said Virgin America does not currently meet that requirement."
I reckon we should have that 75% rule as well.
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Quoting RoamingWolf:
"Under the law, a US airline must be 75 per cent owned and controlled by Americans and the Department of Transportation said Virgin America does not currently meet that requirement."
I reckon we should have that 75% rule as well."
To what end?
Mandating any sort of ownership constraints on a business does not and can not guarantee either good management or good corporate governance.
Qantas is a good example,I am not aware of the current ownership structure of Qantas but I assume it is 100% Australian owned at the moment,however just as an example,its human resource management leaves a lot to be desired and its management of shareholder capital hardly leads the world.
You could argue that a locally owned business would be more inclined to protect local interests,jobs,services,etc but I would not be holding my breath.
The only way to protect the jobs of Qantas staff and protect services to regional areas is to present the management of Qantas with sound economic and social arguments why it should do so.
"Under the law, a US airline must be 75 per cent owned and controlled by Americans and the Department of Transportation said Virgin America does not currently meet that requirement."
I reckon we should have that 75% rule as well."
To what end?
Mandating any sort of ownership constraints on a business does not and can not guarantee either good management or good corporate governance.
Qantas is a good example,I am not aware of the current ownership structure of Qantas but I assume it is 100% Australian owned at the moment,however just as an example,its human resource management leaves a lot to be desired and its management of shareholder capital hardly leads the world.
You could argue that a locally owned business would be more inclined to protect local interests,jobs,services,etc but I would not be holding my breath.
The only way to protect the jobs of Qantas staff and protect services to regional areas is to present the management of Qantas with sound economic and social arguments why it should do so.
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NIGELINOZ,
G'Day, as far as Qantas ownership goes at the moment it hovers around the 50% mark.it is supposed to be 51% at the least but can very and the bosses have been told at least once to get it back to 51%.
What i'm trying to say is that the us gov looks after there pop a bit better than our own.If it was 75% with us then the overseas people might not want to have such a go at buying us.And as well more of the profits would stay in Oz.
I reckon we have let to many aussie companys get taken over by other countries and the profit sure doesn't stay here.
G'Day, as far as Qantas ownership goes at the moment it hovers around the 50% mark.it is supposed to be 51% at the least but can very and the bosses have been told at least once to get it back to 51%.
What i'm trying to say is that the us gov looks after there pop a bit better than our own.If it was 75% with us then the overseas people might not want to have such a go at buying us.And as well more of the profits would stay in Oz.
I reckon we have let to many aussie companys get taken over by other countries and the profit sure doesn't stay here.
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RoamingWolf,
I certainly take your point about profits of foreign owned companies staying in Australia and I accept that a foreign ownership restriction may put some corporate raiders off,so to speak,I just wanted to make the point that in some ways the ownership of a company doesn't neccesarily mean the management would be any better/worse.
Also I do not work in your industry therefore my opinions are just that,opinions,but I do make an average 60 domestic flights a year and have a few friends who are Qantas staff and I have seen the effect that bad H/R management can have on staff morale and I don't like it.
Qantas is still a good airline,it could be great again but it will take a lot of goodwill on both sides to make up for incidents like the"blanket affair".
As I said these are only my opinions and I will leave it to others to say whether I am right or wrong.
I know that the great majority of Qantas staff are loyal,caring,professional people and it distresses me to see so many good people unhappy.
That is also why I won't make any judgement about the takeover until it happens,who knows,the new owners may be more staff friendly than GD etc.
Keep Your Chin Up,Best Regards To All Qantas Staff
I certainly take your point about profits of foreign owned companies staying in Australia and I accept that a foreign ownership restriction may put some corporate raiders off,so to speak,I just wanted to make the point that in some ways the ownership of a company doesn't neccesarily mean the management would be any better/worse.
Also I do not work in your industry therefore my opinions are just that,opinions,but I do make an average 60 domestic flights a year and have a few friends who are Qantas staff and I have seen the effect that bad H/R management can have on staff morale and I don't like it.
Qantas is still a good airline,it could be great again but it will take a lot of goodwill on both sides to make up for incidents like the"blanket affair".
As I said these are only my opinions and I will leave it to others to say whether I am right or wrong.
I know that the great majority of Qantas staff are loyal,caring,professional people and it distresses me to see so many good people unhappy.
That is also why I won't make any judgement about the takeover until it happens,who knows,the new owners may be more staff friendly than GD etc.
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Just heard today
AO CNS base is to close by JUNE 07.
Four options to be offered to the 300 CNS based crew -:
1. MEL L/H
2. SYD L/H
3. BNE L/H
4. JQI MEL or SYD base
Don't shoot the messenger....
AO CNS base is to close by JUNE 07.
Four options to be offered to the 300 CNS based crew -:
1. MEL L/H
2. SYD L/H
3. BNE L/H
4. JQI MEL or SYD base
Don't shoot the messenger....