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Options sounds good. But would be interested to see what conditions the crew take on ( hopefully the L/H EBA ).
Can't see how this will happen if LSL is being offered to current BNE base crew.
The AO cabin crew EBA 2 is reaching its expiry. AO tech crew are still battling with the company over theirs, which means if no agreement is reached, then the tech crew are sent back to mainline.
Only NRT is left ex CNS as direct flying for AO. With JQI to take NGO and KIX ex CNS as of SEP 07 then there is no need for crew to be based in FNQ anymore.
Can't see how this will happen if LSL is being offered to current BNE base crew.
The AO cabin crew EBA 2 is reaching its expiry. AO tech crew are still battling with the company over theirs, which means if no agreement is reached, then the tech crew are sent back to mainline.
Only NRT is left ex CNS as direct flying for AO. With JQI to take NGO and KIX ex CNS as of SEP 07 then there is no need for crew to be based in FNQ anymore.
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I dont think those options will happen.
The only ones that might would be MEL LH or Jetstar.
There are a lot of current QF LH crew on the transfer list to BNE & SYD there would be a riot if they let AO crew take slots before the current LH crew! I seriously doubt the FAAA would let them jump the transfer list into those bases (unless they were casual crew - which is allowed in the LH EBA) and the company would be pi##ing a lot of crew off if AO crew were allowed to 'push in line' for the BNE & SYD bases.
The other fact is there is no transfer agreement for any subsidiary's crew directly into QF Longhaul within the EBA (not that EBA's seem to mean that much any more).
Good luck with it though
The only ones that might would be MEL LH or Jetstar.
There are a lot of current QF LH crew on the transfer list to BNE & SYD there would be a riot if they let AO crew take slots before the current LH crew! I seriously doubt the FAAA would let them jump the transfer list into those bases (unless they were casual crew - which is allowed in the LH EBA) and the company would be pi##ing a lot of crew off if AO crew were allowed to 'push in line' for the BNE & SYD bases.
The other fact is there is no transfer agreement for any subsidiary's crew directly into QF Longhaul within the EBA (not that EBA's seem to mean that much any more).
Good luck with it though
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Is MEL the least popular of the L/H bases ? And why ?
Also what about the s/h to l/h tsfr agreement ? I wonder if the AO crew would 'push in line ' as you say in front of this list ?
Could they keep the AO crew on their existing agreements and cross crew the aircraft in order to put the crew in BNE/SYD/MEL bases ? That way QF are avoiding integration.
Also what about the s/h to l/h tsfr agreement ? I wonder if the AO crew would 'push in line ' as you say in front of this list ?
Could they keep the AO crew on their existing agreements and cross crew the aircraft in order to put the crew in BNE/SYD/MEL bases ? That way QF are avoiding integration.
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assume BRACE positions
Sorry to hear the news AO.
Unfortunately its same old same old.
As a PER base refugee I certainly know how it all feels!!!
.........like CRAP.
You put your heart and soul into something then WHAMMO.
WHAM BAM THANKYOU MAM
( no pun intended)
Unfortunately its same old same old.
As a PER base refugee I certainly know how it all feels!!!
.........like CRAP.
You put your heart and soul into something then WHAMMO.
WHAM BAM THANKYOU MAM
( no pun intended)
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I saw our illustrious PM on the news tonight when he was asked about Hecs payments.The interviewer asked what he thought about some students having a hecs bill of $50,000.
The PM said with a smirk on his face that if they worked part time after uni they would not have to pay back any money if they earned less than $36000 per year.
So this is Howards idea of a successful career after doing a uni degree.
You work part time most probably on contract and earn less than $36,000 a year.This is his idea of a great economy.Imagine the incentive to do a uni degree over say 4 years minimum and the light at the end of the tunnel is a part time job on $36000/year.
Darth would love the idea of all QF employees being employed on a casual basis through someone like MAM especially on only $36000/year.
Did anyone else see the smirk on his face as he said this?
At this rate Donald Duck could lead the opposition into power.
Also on an aircraft website the company has advertised VH-EBT for sale so the fun begins.
The PM said with a smirk on his face that if they worked part time after uni they would not have to pay back any money if they earned less than $36000 per year.
So this is Howards idea of a successful career after doing a uni degree.
You work part time most probably on contract and earn less than $36,000 a year.This is his idea of a great economy.Imagine the incentive to do a uni degree over say 4 years minimum and the light at the end of the tunnel is a part time job on $36000/year.
Darth would love the idea of all QF employees being employed on a casual basis through someone like MAM especially on only $36000/year.
Did anyone else see the smirk on his face as he said this?
At this rate Donald Duck could lead the opposition into power.
Also on an aircraft website the company has advertised VH-EBT for sale so the fun begins.
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Yes Sonique
From what I know the LH base in MEL is the least popular > the reason? The Flying is CRAP. The AKL base is doing the majority of the F/A slots on the MEL-LAX routes (where MEL based crew used to make the most money and get the most time off at home), the bulk of the flying seems to be MEL-PER-MEL sectors and MEL-SIN sectors.
And forget the SH-LH transfers, they happen after the LH-LH transfers to other bases (ie MEL to SYD/BNE).
I cant see the AO people getting any slots to SYD or BNE, as even after they action the LH transfers lists they would have to action the SH transfer lists before letting a subsidiary transfer into any longhaul bases. There is no agreement set for a subsidiary company's crew to transfer into QF Longhaul. Only Shorthaul has accepted a subsidiary company's crew the right to transfer in to their division.
The one thing stopping AO crew cross-crewing with QF crew is that their procedures are different to ours. They are trained to different Emergency Procedures, therefore would have to be re-trained in ours if they were to operate with us. That's easy done though.
Who Knows really
From what I know the LH base in MEL is the least popular > the reason? The Flying is CRAP. The AKL base is doing the majority of the F/A slots on the MEL-LAX routes (where MEL based crew used to make the most money and get the most time off at home), the bulk of the flying seems to be MEL-PER-MEL sectors and MEL-SIN sectors.
And forget the SH-LH transfers, they happen after the LH-LH transfers to other bases (ie MEL to SYD/BNE).
I cant see the AO people getting any slots to SYD or BNE, as even after they action the LH transfers lists they would have to action the SH transfer lists before letting a subsidiary transfer into any longhaul bases. There is no agreement set for a subsidiary company's crew to transfer into QF Longhaul. Only Shorthaul has accepted a subsidiary company's crew the right to transfer in to their division.
The one thing stopping AO crew cross-crewing with QF crew is that their procedures are different to ours. They are trained to different Emergency Procedures, therefore would have to be re-trained in ours if they were to operate with us. That's easy done though.
Who Knows really
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Cart_Elevator - I thought that was the case. I knew that SH had allowed for subsidiary companies to transfer but I was baffled as to why the words Long Haul were used.
If that is the case, and we do end up in short haul bases around the network then QF would want to stop hiring their next lot of 10,000 MAM recruits. Because 300 F/T cabin crew added to the SH network will make a big difference to the hours of the casuals.
Happy NYE to all QF CREW.
If that is the case, and we do end up in short haul bases around the network then QF would want to stop hiring their next lot of 10,000 MAM recruits. Because 300 F/T cabin crew added to the SH network will make a big difference to the hours of the casuals.
Happy NYE to all QF CREW.
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......The same source also revealed that Retiree Staff Travel will be one of the first to go as the FBT component is currently being paid by the COmpany. The FBT is one of the things that costs the COmpany in terms of staff travel. Under agreement reached with the ACTU when FBT was introduced, FBT would be borne by the COmpany rather than the individual.
Commuting Tech and Cabin Crew apparently are the greatest contributors to the FBT bill for Qantas and a review of the number of Domestic tickets is currently underway as is a review of the FBT arrangements........
Commuting Tech and Cabin Crew apparently are the greatest contributors to the FBT bill for Qantas and a review of the number of Domestic tickets is currently underway as is a review of the FBT arrangements........
FBT is sure paid on employee travel and you will see the FBT element on your statement of earnings. Just why crew are permitted to commute and in doing so expose their employer to a greater tax payment is hardly fair and reasonable but the precedent was et eons ago when it was relatively rare but now for so-called 'lifestyle' reasons, the practice is now almost certainly out of hand and much greater than ever envisaged or intended. Probably has also the ability to change 'travel companions' every six months. On commuting crew, if their travel benefits are withdrawn for an abuse of Staff Travel, is it a fact that their commuting rights are unaffected?
How does Staff Travel for a retiree attract the FBT? I understood that FBT is applied to benefits conferred on an employee and on which (PAYE) tax is not paid. As a retiree dpres not draw a wage or salary from Qantas, how and why is the FBT applied to that person's travel. Staff travel for retiress is no more than a discount in the same way as some 'seniors' receive a disount for some public sector travel. Do these authorities pay an FBT on that travel?
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Everyone Forgets
That staff travel operates on a "space available"basis.
This means that staff get to avail themselves of a seat that would otherwise have gone unsold.(empty)
Staff travel also makes a profit for the company even after paying FBT.
With the advent of (domestic)bases the use of stafftravel to get to work has also declined.
Many airlines have FOCs.... QF don't.
This means that staff get to avail themselves of a seat that would otherwise have gone unsold.(empty)
Staff travel also makes a profit for the company even after paying FBT.
With the advent of (domestic)bases the use of stafftravel to get to work has also declined.
Many airlines have FOCs.... QF don't.
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Hey it's B A Lert,
Merry Christmas B A ,a mate of your posted the other day his name is Don Esson.
How was your Christmas? it's good to see you back and telling us crew how unfair our conditions are to our employer particularly those of us crew who commute.
Hey B A , In between my next two trips I'm going to Perth for a few days. Then later in Feb I'm going to go across the pond to see a mate in AKL .This job is great isn't it?
By the way ,you wouldn't be a retiree would you ?
Merry Christmas B A ,a mate of your posted the other day his name is Don Esson.
How was your Christmas? it's good to see you back and telling us crew how unfair our conditions are to our employer particularly those of us crew who commute.
Hey B A , In between my next two trips I'm going to Perth for a few days. Then later in Feb I'm going to go across the pond to see a mate in AKL .This job is great isn't it?
By the way ,you wouldn't be a retiree would you ?
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I left flying a couple of months ago, and would like to get back into it (the grass is always greener, eh?) I've read through the posts here, the previous Qantas ones, and MAM too (because I guess, if I get the job, it would be via MAM). I'm curious though, a lot of what I read here sounds so negative, and I can understand why, but most of the crew I met who worked mainline would always tell me to rush and join them, it was so much better (I was previously doing Qantaslink) - is that a bit of propoganda for their airline because we were all in uniform, and is this site more of a place to vent, and the crew wouldb't really leave, or should I try harder for a crew position with another company or OS?
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From the ABC internet news website.
Passengers stranded after problems ground Jetstar flight
Budget airline Jetstar has had to cancel its first Melbourne-to-Honolulu flight because of technical problems.
Passengers were stranded at Melbourne airport for several hours last night before being told the flight was off.
Jetstar say the problem has been addressed and the 270 passengers flew out of Tullamarine this morning after staying in hotels overnight.
But disgruntled passenger Christopher Montebello says passengers were kept in the dark about why the flight was cancelled.
"I'm disappointed in the way that people were treated," he said.
"We spent two-and-a-half hours waiting for the plane, there was some sort of technical problem, then from the technical problem there was no answer.
"People need to know what's going on, not ferried and pushed and shoved through the lobbies, in and out of international services - we don't need all that."
Ahh You gota love it!! Super start there Mr Joyce!
Passengers stranded after problems ground Jetstar flight
Budget airline Jetstar has had to cancel its first Melbourne-to-Honolulu flight because of technical problems.
Passengers were stranded at Melbourne airport for several hours last night before being told the flight was off.
Jetstar say the problem has been addressed and the 270 passengers flew out of Tullamarine this morning after staying in hotels overnight.
But disgruntled passenger Christopher Montebello says passengers were kept in the dark about why the flight was cancelled.
"I'm disappointed in the way that people were treated," he said.
"We spent two-and-a-half hours waiting for the plane, there was some sort of technical problem, then from the technical problem there was no answer.
"People need to know what's going on, not ferried and pushed and shoved through the lobbies, in and out of international services - we don't need all that."
Ahh You gota love it!! Super start there Mr Joyce!
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Ho Ho HO!
Get used to it folks...its the promise of things to come
Everybody lauds globalization and market forces...giving people what they want.
Unfortunately they dont often GET what they want.
But hey..they saved a few bucks and didnt have to fly through SYD.
Ahhh..the brave new(stupid)world.
Pay inexpensive ...you get inexpensive(cheap cheap)
Everybody lauds globalization and market forces...giving people what they want.
Unfortunately they dont often GET what they want.
But hey..they saved a few bucks and didnt have to fly through SYD.
Ahhh..the brave new(stupid)world.
Pay inexpensive ...you get inexpensive(cheap cheap)
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Flight cancelled on runway
December 30, 2006 01:07pm
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BUDGET airline JetStar cancelled its first Melbourne to Honolulu flight overnight after a breakdown of an important engine part.
The airline declined to identify the specifics of the problem but said the fault had been spotted during final procedural checks as passengers commenced boarding the flight.
"As part of the Qantas group we don't go into specifics of maintenance," Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway said.
"There were some mechanical problems which required a part repair and a fair bit of maintenance overnight."
The 270 passengers on the flight, due to depart at 7.40pm (AEDT), were booked into hotels for the night before flying out early this morning.
"Obviously its regrettable, and the fact it's a first service makes it very regrettable," Mr Westaway said.
But disgruntled passenger Christopher Montebello said passengers were disappointed that they had been kept in the dark about why the flight was cancelled.
"I'm disappointed in the way that the people were treated," Mr Montebello said to ABC radio.
"We spent two and a half hours waiting for the plane ... (before being told) there was some sort of technical problem and then, from the technical problem, there was no answer.
"People need to know what's going on, not ferried and pushed and shoved through the lobbies in and out of international services."
Jetstar operates two Melbourne-Honolulu services a week using the three-year-old Airbus 330 aircraft.
The service was launched yesterday, two days after the airline started its Sydney-Honolulu service.
December 30, 2006 01:07pm
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BUDGET airline JetStar cancelled its first Melbourne to Honolulu flight overnight after a breakdown of an important engine part.
The airline declined to identify the specifics of the problem but said the fault had been spotted during final procedural checks as passengers commenced boarding the flight.
"As part of the Qantas group we don't go into specifics of maintenance," Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway said.
"There were some mechanical problems which required a part repair and a fair bit of maintenance overnight."
The 270 passengers on the flight, due to depart at 7.40pm (AEDT), were booked into hotels for the night before flying out early this morning.
"Obviously its regrettable, and the fact it's a first service makes it very regrettable," Mr Westaway said.
But disgruntled passenger Christopher Montebello said passengers were disappointed that they had been kept in the dark about why the flight was cancelled.
"I'm disappointed in the way that the people were treated," Mr Montebello said to ABC radio.
"We spent two and a half hours waiting for the plane ... (before being told) there was some sort of technical problem and then, from the technical problem, there was no answer.
"People need to know what's going on, not ferried and pushed and shoved through the lobbies in and out of international services."
Jetstar operates two Melbourne-Honolulu services a week using the three-year-old Airbus 330 aircraft.
The service was launched yesterday, two days after the airline started its Sydney-Honolulu service.
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Just had a beer with a techy and he reckons that a rumour is floating around that there is maybe a hotel change in LA or overflow from Bonaventure.
He was talking about a airport hotel
Maybe our new owners reckon the bonaventure is to expensive and are looking for cheaper digs
Anyone heard anything?
He was talking about a airport hotel
Maybe our new owners reckon the bonaventure is to expensive and are looking for cheaper digs
Anyone heard anything?
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It seems that the two extra flights a week into SFO as of March are at the expense of scheduled LAX services so I guess the [270 odd ?] rooms a night needed at the misadventure will be reduced somewhat??
Can't say that I have heard any rumours but no doubt the company are always looking for an opportunity to further piss off their staff.
Can't say that I have heard any rumours but no doubt the company are always looking for an opportunity to further piss off their staff.
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AO Closing down in June 07
Hi Sonique
Where did you hear about AO closing down? Is it official or another rumour?
Has the company put anything out to crew yet about this? (or are we going to read about it in the Cairns Post!!)
Where did you hear about AO closing down? Is it official or another rumour?
Has the company put anything out to crew yet about this? (or are we going to read about it in the Cairns Post!!)
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Hi Guys... I was talking with a AO Tech Crew the other day on my flight and he seemed to think that they were looking at increasing the numbers at AO??
I also heard a rumour that LH were going to lose some of the NRT flying in MAR??
I also heard a rumour that LH were going to lose some of the NRT flying in MAR??