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Jetstar ch9 next year
Lowerlobe,
I came across Jetstar as a listed reality (lifestyle) program to be screened on ch9 next year. I think it was in the Daily Telegraph last week. I'm sure with the clientele that Jetstar attract, there would be plenty of dramas! Yet another brain washing exercise by JQ.
Let's see how long it lasts!
I came across Jetstar as a listed reality (lifestyle) program to be screened on ch9 next year. I think it was in the Daily Telegraph last week. I'm sure with the clientele that Jetstar attract, there would be plenty of dramas! Yet another brain washing exercise by JQ.
Let's see how long it lasts!
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Hey there guys,
Here at BA, LHR we are balloting for strike action. This is partly due to pension issues etc, but also partly to some new procedures a certain ex QF cabin crew manager, initials MH wants to implement. And not so much just about WHAT he wants to implement but more about his TACTICS, his general behaviour (wolf in sheeps clothing springs to mind) his arrogance and bullying.
If anyone from QF would like to shed any light on this little man and what impact he had at QF in oz, do tell! Either on the forum here, or PM if you prefer.
Cheers, keeps.
Here at BA, LHR we are balloting for strike action. This is partly due to pension issues etc, but also partly to some new procedures a certain ex QF cabin crew manager, initials MH wants to implement. And not so much just about WHAT he wants to implement but more about his TACTICS, his general behaviour (wolf in sheeps clothing springs to mind) his arrogance and bullying.
If anyone from QF would like to shed any light on this little man and what impact he had at QF in oz, do tell! Either on the forum here, or PM if you prefer.
Cheers, keeps.
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Poison Dwarf
A lot of what is happening in QF CC is directly attributal to MH.
The fear and intimidation,the bullying,the spying dobbing culture are all down to him.
Nothing more than a smiling asassin.
Definitley not be trusted
He doesnt even know how to spell morale
The sad thing is he used to fly
He is gone but his legacy remains
Good luck..you`ll need it
The fear and intimidation,the bullying,the spying dobbing culture are all down to him.
Nothing more than a smiling asassin.
Definitley not be trusted
He doesnt even know how to spell morale
The sad thing is he used to fly
He is gone but his legacy remains
Good luck..you`ll need it
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Quoting Lowerlobe:"The general public thinks that we should do the job free because we get to fly and travel for nix because of our job."
I may not be employed in the industry but I do fly a lot with QF and I
certainly do not think that way,I ,on the contrary,have great respect for the professionalism shown by the great majority of aviation employees in Oz,I suspect that there are some horror stories about pax etc that you could tell but I really wish to add my support to your cause,and I care about how much you are paid because and only because your terms and conditions may(may!) affect how you feel about the company and that may affect how you treat me and other passengers.
Please don't assume that all pax are ignorant of what you have to put up with,there will always be rude passengers but I hope that mostly they appreciate what you do.
I hope I made my point generously.
Keep up the good work
I may not be employed in the industry but I do fly a lot with QF and I
certainly do not think that way,I ,on the contrary,have great respect for the professionalism shown by the great majority of aviation employees in Oz,I suspect that there are some horror stories about pax etc that you could tell but I really wish to add my support to your cause,and I care about how much you are paid because and only because your terms and conditions may(may!) affect how you feel about the company and that may affect how you treat me and other passengers.
Please don't assume that all pax are ignorant of what you have to put up with,there will always be rude passengers but I hope that mostly they appreciate what you do.
I hope I made my point generously.
Keep up the good work
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Point taken,Lowelobe.
I should have also added that I care about your pay because you deserve a decent wage with terms and conditions relevant to what you do.
As for the union being ineffective:sack the union at the next union election if that is what it will take to ensure that Qantas realises that they
need a committed,happy workforce or they risk going the way of Ansett.
There is a place for profit but not at the expense of an unhappy workforce which will lead to unhappy customers,without whom Qantas and any other airline will fail,even with no service airlines like Jet* to act as a cash cow.
I should have also added that I care about your pay because you deserve a decent wage with terms and conditions relevant to what you do.
As for the union being ineffective:sack the union at the next union election if that is what it will take to ensure that Qantas realises that they
need a committed,happy workforce or they risk going the way of Ansett.
There is a place for profit but not at the expense of an unhappy workforce which will lead to unhappy customers,without whom Qantas and any other airline will fail,even with no service airlines like Jet* to act as a cash cow.
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Ineffective Unions??
The problem in Australia at the moment is similar to the problem in NZ about 15 years ago. Unions were under pressure to perform miracles when the laws were directed in a hostile manner towards them and their members.
In Australia the new IR laws are doing their best to make Unions irrelevant. Most unions in qantas are doing it tought at the moment, and are finding it difficult to "pull rabbits out of hats".
The real challenge will be to remove the Howard government and bring balance back into the workplace. Unless that occurs Unions will almost be totally irrelevent.
For Long Haul Cabin Crew the issue is not whether we deserve what we earn or whether our conditions are justified. It's about supply and demand.
What some people are suggesting is that if a group of workers think that their income and conditions are justified in their minds, then they must be protected from ever losing anything.
Morally that may be correct but the market place works differently. unfortunately their whole rafts of workers in this country in industries that have all but closed because of the market forces. The challenge of for not only Long Haul crew but any full time relatively "unskilled" workers to maintain their conditions in the current market.
When i say 'unskilled' i dont mean that Long Haul crew have no skill. It just means that we can be easily replaced by those that would do our jobs for half the money, who are younger, fitter, prettier and less "industrially aware".
Meeting that challenge is a job for Unions and their members in a balanced way. Its easy to criticise the exccesses of mangement . You wont find a flight attendant, engineer or pilot or their unions who will dissagree. But until the current government is removed or "sacked" then we dont have a chance.
Look at what's happening to engineers and pilots and they are significantly more skilled than Cabin Crew and much harder to replace, yet the Company is agressively taking them on too.
The only hope we have is to back put our faith in our elected officials and support them in a united way. To be devisive now would be to sign our own death warrants
In Australia the new IR laws are doing their best to make Unions irrelevant. Most unions in qantas are doing it tought at the moment, and are finding it difficult to "pull rabbits out of hats".
The real challenge will be to remove the Howard government and bring balance back into the workplace. Unless that occurs Unions will almost be totally irrelevent.
For Long Haul Cabin Crew the issue is not whether we deserve what we earn or whether our conditions are justified. It's about supply and demand.
What some people are suggesting is that if a group of workers think that their income and conditions are justified in their minds, then they must be protected from ever losing anything.
Morally that may be correct but the market place works differently. unfortunately their whole rafts of workers in this country in industries that have all but closed because of the market forces. The challenge of for not only Long Haul crew but any full time relatively "unskilled" workers to maintain their conditions in the current market.
When i say 'unskilled' i dont mean that Long Haul crew have no skill. It just means that we can be easily replaced by those that would do our jobs for half the money, who are younger, fitter, prettier and less "industrially aware".
Meeting that challenge is a job for Unions and their members in a balanced way. Its easy to criticise the exccesses of mangement . You wont find a flight attendant, engineer or pilot or their unions who will dissagree. But until the current government is removed or "sacked" then we dont have a chance.
Look at what's happening to engineers and pilots and they are significantly more skilled than Cabin Crew and much harder to replace, yet the Company is agressively taking them on too.
The only hope we have is to back put our faith in our elected officials and support them in a united way. To be devisive now would be to sign our own death warrants
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employee engagement survey
people keep saying the last survey produced the worst result ever.
does anyone know what the actual result was, have not seen it
published anywhere.
have also met a number of crew talking about the next federal election
two of whom were not even registered to vote. maybe the union mob
need to get going and encourage all crew to register and vote, whatever
their choice may be
does anyone know what the actual result was, have not seen it
published anywhere.
have also met a number of crew talking about the next federal election
two of whom were not even registered to vote. maybe the union mob
need to get going and encourage all crew to register and vote, whatever
their choice may be
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Engagement Survey
If the recent survey was even a little improved from the previous Ms Webster would be crowing about it from the top of QCC.
Instead it gets a small mention in the current CC news.
Waffles on about an improvement in CC /managers relationship.
Onboard managers perhaps but definitely not the visiting groundhogs
Instead it gets a small mention in the current CC news.
Waffles on about an improvement in CC /managers relationship.
Onboard managers perhaps but definitely not the visiting groundhogs
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Super funds?
Qantas bidders 'restructure $11bn offer'
Steve Creedy
Aviation writer
December 05, 2006
MEMBERS of the private equity consortium behind the proposed $11 billion takeover of Qantas have reportedly restructured their proposal to evade scrutiny by competition and foreign investment regulators.
According to today’s Financial Times, Texas Pacific Group is now planning to limit its stake to a maximum 14.9 per cent holding, instead of the rumoured investment of 25 per cent.
Canada’s Onex Corp also proposed taking an equity stake of less than 14.9 per cent.
The FT said the consortium believes this would keep them below a 15 per cent stake that would trigger a mandatory probe by Australia’s Foreign Investment Review Board.
Macquarie bank was also proposing to limit its stake to 14.9 per cent, to avoid a probe by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, it said.
The remaining shareholding would be made up of Allco Finance (14.9 per cent), Pacific Equity partners (5 per cent), senior Qantas management (1 per cent) and super funds.
Qantas last week upgraded its profit expectations by 30 per cent, prompting speculation the bidders could have to pay as much as $6 per share to get board approval of the takeover.
The airline’s shares were trading at $5.13 earlier this afternoon.
Lets hope the unions are on to the superfunds and strongly object to the proposed take over.
Steve Creedy
Aviation writer
December 05, 2006
MEMBERS of the private equity consortium behind the proposed $11 billion takeover of Qantas have reportedly restructured their proposal to evade scrutiny by competition and foreign investment regulators.
According to today’s Financial Times, Texas Pacific Group is now planning to limit its stake to a maximum 14.9 per cent holding, instead of the rumoured investment of 25 per cent.
Canada’s Onex Corp also proposed taking an equity stake of less than 14.9 per cent.
The FT said the consortium believes this would keep them below a 15 per cent stake that would trigger a mandatory probe by Australia’s Foreign Investment Review Board.
Macquarie bank was also proposing to limit its stake to 14.9 per cent, to avoid a probe by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, it said.
The remaining shareholding would be made up of Allco Finance (14.9 per cent), Pacific Equity partners (5 per cent), senior Qantas management (1 per cent) and super funds.
Qantas last week upgraded its profit expectations by 30 per cent, prompting speculation the bidders could have to pay as much as $6 per share to get board approval of the takeover.
The airline’s shares were trading at $5.13 earlier this afternoon.
Lets hope the unions are on to the superfunds and strongly object to the proposed take over.
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Rip, rort and rout
{I've been trawling thru the net and studying their form and its not a pretty picture.}
Get ready for the announcement before Christmas.
Then it will be - flog off Jetstar= $2b, sell Qantas Freight= $1.0b, Dump QFCL =$50m, offload QF Holidays= $40m...........GAME OVER.
I won't even put up a guestimate of the number of loyal staff that will go!!
Then as a private company, this bunch will cut a swathe thru the Unions as big as the Grand canyon and there is nothing anyone will be able to do. They will not have to answer to pesky shareholders,govt beauracrats -it will be rip, rort and rout.
Sorry to be a bearer of bad news-but this is how its looking to me.
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Can we get any more emotive?
If we do the maths ... 31 days in december ... 10 days off a month leaves 21 working days ... that would mean if one was to work the aformentioned "400 hours" one would be working 19.047619 hours a day
Maybe we should all stick to the facts and cut the drama
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Qantas a $400m ticket for advisers
Qantas a $400m ticket for advisers
Rod Myer
December 6, 2006
MACQUARIE Bank could earn as much as $400 million in fees if the $11 billion private equity bid for Qantas it is leading succeeds.
So much for the profit next year 
Rod Myer
December 6, 2006
MACQUARIE Bank could earn as much as $400 million in fees if the $11 billion private equity bid for Qantas it is leading succeeds.
So much for the profit next year
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Then I speak to an aussie girl working fot Jetstar Oz who reckons she's being worked up to 400 hrs a bid period - she's desperately trying to get into MAM casual position as this is seen as some sort of step up....bucket please I need to vomit.
Um Hi. I don't normally replied to other threads, but feel I must say something in regard to the above quote.
I feel the hours being discussed is a bit of an exaggeration. We (JQ crew) are generally rostered between 115 - 130 per month. CM's this month are on about 115 hrs and FA's 120-127 hrs. We have LIVE days (home reserve) that we can nominate to work for extra money or we can un nominate and accrue the hours, if we do this we can't work above 140hrs. However, if we keep our Days LIVE and get the money basically we can work up and beyond 140hrs, but speaking from 5 years experience (with Qlink & JQ) we would never work 400hrs. It wouldn't be possible to do in a month.
In regard to JQ crew trying to get into MAM, yes there are some crew that have this dream that the grass is greener. However, I feel this is based on the idea of doing lots of o/nites and internationally flying. Some of these crew who want this are young and sometimes inexperienced within the workforce.
Thanks,
Um Hi. I don't normally replied to other threads, but feel I must say something in regard to the above quote.
I feel the hours being discussed is a bit of an exaggeration. We (JQ crew) are generally rostered between 115 - 130 per month. CM's this month are on about 115 hrs and FA's 120-127 hrs. We have LIVE days (home reserve) that we can nominate to work for extra money or we can un nominate and accrue the hours, if we do this we can't work above 140hrs. However, if we keep our Days LIVE and get the money basically we can work up and beyond 140hrs, but speaking from 5 years experience (with Qlink & JQ) we would never work 400hrs. It wouldn't be possible to do in a month.
In regard to JQ crew trying to get into MAM, yes there are some crew that have this dream that the grass is greener. However, I feel this is based on the idea of doing lots of o/nites and internationally flying. Some of these crew who want this are young and sometimes inexperienced within the workforce.
Thanks,
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Don't forget Twiggs ,it is the destinations and and not the money or is it the money and not the destinations or did ,you say it was something else.It's so hard to remember but the important thing is that this only one night in 46 hours....just the facts twiggs ,just the facts...
Resboy,
Maybe he was talking about one of our rosters which is 56 days and not one month like yours.However with only 10 days off per roster instead of our min of 18 that still seems a bit high.Especially if you factor in the time off in slip ports as even LCC have to let you sleep sometimes.
It will be interesting to find out the T & C’s of J* international foreign based crews
Resboy,
Maybe he was talking about one of our rosters which is 56 days and not one month like yours.However with only 10 days off per roster instead of our min of 18 that still seems a bit high.Especially if you factor in the time off in slip ports as even LCC have to let you sleep sometimes.
It will be interesting to find out the T & C’s of J* international foreign based crews
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JQI rosters 28 days in length, up to 152 hours per roster. Impossible at the moment due to the lack of aircraft...at this stage. 8 days off per 28 days.
JQ Domestic rosters are calendar months, up to 140 hours per roster. 10 days off per month. Key difference being you can choose to max your hours to achieve more time off towards the end of the month, or earn more money.
JQ Domestic rosters are calendar months, up to 140 hours per roster. 10 days off per month. Key difference being you can choose to max your hours to achieve more time off towards the end of the month, or earn more money.