QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)
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WWW,
I would have thought by my reply to jaded boiler that you may have detected a tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Tipping the fat bag of empty rhetoric to win the next one easily.
Prepare for the next recession we have to have.
I would have thought by my reply to jaded boiler that you may have detected a tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Tipping the fat bag of empty rhetoric to win the next one easily.
Prepare for the next recession we have to have.
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I guess, mr perpetually turgid, that your post is indicative of a fellow traveller, albeit one who enjoys sh1t stirring.
Good to know there are others out there with a sense of ethics.
Good to know there are others out there with a sense of ethics.
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well as most of you know the patterns are out on the crew website.
I'm so happy that BOMBay is gone, our short haul colleagues will have the delight in doing these trips!
I thought that the s/haul EBA did not allow them go east or west over 3 hours from Syd, please correct me if I'm wrong, either way I hope they stay over there as I never want to see that place on our network again.
I'm so happy that BOMBay is gone, our short haul colleagues will have the delight in doing these trips!
I thought that the s/haul EBA did not allow them go east or west over 3 hours from Syd, please correct me if I'm wrong, either way I hope they stay over there as I never want to see that place on our network again.
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Whats left ??
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QF NOTICE:
Manila Services to AO wetlease
From 8 December 2006, Jetstar will begin operating services to Bali from Sydney and Melbourne. These services are currently operated as Qantas services under the AustralianAirlines wetlease.
As a result of this change, and in order to maintain our wetlease arrangements, it is necessary to transfer Qantas Flights19 and 20 to Australian Airlines effective 8 December 2006. These flights operate four times per week between Sydney and Manila.
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This is why I enjoy being a Luddite.
Where do I go now for a "rub & tug" ?????
Jet* Int and our AO -wet lease cousins are grabbing more of "our" flying. , AND lets not even mention our S/H ( Regional ) buddies !!!!!
Oh well, soon it will be JNB, HKG and LAX......game over !!!!
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QF NOTICE:
Manila Services to AO wetlease
From 8 December 2006, Jetstar will begin operating services to Bali from Sydney and Melbourne. These services are currently operated as Qantas services under the AustralianAirlines wetlease.
As a result of this change, and in order to maintain our wetlease arrangements, it is necessary to transfer Qantas Flights19 and 20 to Australian Airlines effective 8 December 2006. These flights operate four times per week between Sydney and Manila.
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This is why I enjoy being a Luddite.
Where do I go now for a "rub & tug" ?????
Jet* Int and our AO -wet lease cousins are grabbing more of "our" flying. , AND lets not even mention our S/H ( Regional ) buddies !!!!!
Oh well, soon it will be JNB, HKG and LAX......game over !!!!
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WWW whilst I love your posts and I hate to disagree with you.....I am so happy that BOM and MNL are out of the network, I along a with a lot of people really hated those places,
If anything sick leave will improve and the visitors will get off our backs!
No honestly s/haul and jetstar and AO can have those places.
give me a PER return over BOM any day
If anything sick leave will improve and the visitors will get off our backs!
No honestly s/haul and jetstar and AO can have those places.
give me a PER return over BOM any day
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you will probably enjoy it sonique(the first time)
I hated the place, it was dirty and dangerous.
the people are really nice though!
the allowance was worthless.
our hotel was shocking,very noisy
we used to refer to the flights as the "lust bus" some of the Aussie travelers were shocking, the Filipinos are very polite.
However it was better than BOM, those flights are the epitome of HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I hated the place, it was dirty and dangerous.
the people are really nice though!
the allowance was worthless.
our hotel was shocking,very noisy
we used to refer to the flights as the "lust bus" some of the Aussie travelers were shocking, the Filipinos are very polite.
However it was better than BOM, those flights are the epitome of HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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and i thought
we had a divisional flying agreement which limits the amount of regional flying SH can do? you may not like the places (MNL,BOMetc
) but it again leaves us in LH with less flying.
) but it again leaves us in LH with less flying.
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Is it any wonder....
Originally Posted by cartexchange
but no one ever wanted to go there.
the sick leave on MNL and BOM was very high.
NO ONE wanted to go there, people simply called in sick!
the sick leave on MNL and BOM was very high.
NO ONE wanted to go there, people simply called in sick!
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its more complex than that Mel Bourne.
I may have over simplified it, if you fly then you know what I meant!
Basically and only on one point, if you had to do back to back BOM you would have genuinely been sick and had no option but to call in as such.
the trips were horrendous and any more than a few per roster really did make you sick.
I mean the people used to P!ss in the crossover and spit in their trays and even worse, crew simply got sick. and if you were junior you had no choice but to get 4 or 5 BOM per roster and you physically could not do them.
That is one point Mel Bourne..... so don't be so quick to abuse flight attendants...........
I may have over simplified it, if you fly then you know what I meant!
Basically and only on one point, if you had to do back to back BOM you would have genuinely been sick and had no option but to call in as such.
the trips were horrendous and any more than a few per roster really did make you sick.
I mean the people used to P!ss in the crossover and spit in their trays and even worse, crew simply got sick. and if you were junior you had no choice but to get 4 or 5 BOM per roster and you physically could not do them.
That is one point Mel Bourne..... so don't be so quick to abuse flight attendants...........
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its more complex than that
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Hey Mel, Get in the real world buddy!!!
Cartex was just stating what actually happens.
And as far as been "fair and squarely caught"........whats this about ????
This is called an opinion.
How many times have you been in a sitaution whereby for some "reason" you couldn't make it to your desk job? ( I say this because you're obviously a non flyer)
And please don't reply with some sanctimonious response: "Oh, I have never done that."
YEAH RRRIIIGGGHHT!!!!!
FYI ....MEL we have a system of work allocation called a bid system. Individuals are allocated work on seniority. If QF had built a bit more "flexibility " in the system, then this scenario may not take place.
If management were really serious about reducing sick leave then they should invest in a system that gives crew a bit of flexibility, like they gave our S/H chums.
But "invest" in people.....................put that to your mate GD and see who BACKPEDDLES.
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Cartex was just stating what actually happens.
And as far as been "fair and squarely caught"........whats this about ????
This is called an opinion.
How many times have you been in a sitaution whereby for some "reason" you couldn't make it to your desk job? ( I say this because you're obviously a non flyer)
And please don't reply with some sanctimonious response: "Oh, I have never done that."
YEAH RRRIIIGGGHHT!!!!!
FYI ....MEL we have a system of work allocation called a bid system. Individuals are allocated work on seniority. If QF had built a bit more "flexibility " in the system, then this scenario may not take place.
If management were really serious about reducing sick leave then they should invest in a system that gives crew a bit of flexibility, like they gave our S/H chums.
But "invest" in people.....................put that to your mate GD and see who BACKPEDDLES.
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what is the problem Mel Bourne, I have explained it easily enough, PEOPLE SIMPLY CALLED IN SICK" its a simple process, people simply cannot do the trip, people simply feel sick,ITS SIMPLE, what part don't you get.
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I'm with MEL on this one.
Cartex, you selectively quoted your own post. The full, relevant part of the post is:
Now I can only interpret that the way MEL did. Crew hated the place therefore, rather than go there, they called in sick and forced those on reserve to go. Nowhere in your initial post did you suggest crew were forced to go sick. Your use of the phrase "NO ONE wanted to go there" (my bold) implies very strongly that this was a matter of choice rather than compulsion.
Personally, I really enjoyed Bombay as did a lot of the cabin crew I flew with. I accept that the long daylight sector, with demanding passengers, up to Bombay was pretty hard for you guys. However, there was one of the best hotels in the network at the end of it, more than adequate allowances and plenty to do if you were willing to get out there and experience it. If you didn't want to get out there, you could sit very comfortably by the pool for a couple of days and then come home again.
For Sonique's benefit, MNL was similar. The allowances were adequate, but I'll admit only just. Then again (and I can't believe I'm saying this), QANTAS shouldn't be paying massive allowances (as they do in NRT for example) that allow crew to take home a few hundred bucks after a 36 hour slip. Allowances are supposed to cover your food and drink for the slip, nothing more.
Slip ports are what you make of them - like so much in life. I'm yet to find a slip port I don't like, with the possible exception of being stuck in TPE for four days. However, I NEVER went sick on them because I didn't like the place.
On the upside for you, I guess with only a few ports left for SYD based LH crew it won't be such a problem for you in future.
Cartex, you selectively quoted your own post. The full, relevant part of the post is:
NO ONE wanted to go there, people simply called in sick!
Personally, I really enjoyed Bombay as did a lot of the cabin crew I flew with. I accept that the long daylight sector, with demanding passengers, up to Bombay was pretty hard for you guys. However, there was one of the best hotels in the network at the end of it, more than adequate allowances and plenty to do if you were willing to get out there and experience it. If you didn't want to get out there, you could sit very comfortably by the pool for a couple of days and then come home again.
For Sonique's benefit, MNL was similar. The allowances were adequate, but I'll admit only just. Then again (and I can't believe I'm saying this), QANTAS shouldn't be paying massive allowances (as they do in NRT for example) that allow crew to take home a few hundred bucks after a 36 hour slip. Allowances are supposed to cover your food and drink for the slip, nothing more.
Slip ports are what you make of them - like so much in life. I'm yet to find a slip port I don't like, with the possible exception of being stuck in TPE for four days. However, I NEVER went sick on them because I didn't like the place.
On the upside for you, I guess with only a few ports left for SYD based LH crew it won't be such a problem for you in future.
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Mel Direct
Now, anyone that calls himself Mel Bourne and lists his location "paradise" has obvious issues.......
MEL and Direct are not Qantas L/H, and not cabin crew.
The reality of life as L/H cabin crew is not always as clear cut as you think.
No one wants or likes to use sick leave other than for the purpose it is allocated. But occasionally, due to circumstances beyond our control, it can be the last and only avenue available to bring a little sanity to our lives. And, unlike many in S/H, we all do our rotation of "reserve line" duty. CE & WWW have thrown in the sickleave comments as part of QF's lack of flexibility and the fact that due to GD's ongoing destruction of QF mainline and lack of new recruitment, the seniority has remained static.
MEL and Direct are not Qantas L/H, and not cabin crew.
The reality of life as L/H cabin crew is not always as clear cut as you think.
No one wants or likes to use sick leave other than for the purpose it is allocated. But occasionally, due to circumstances beyond our control, it can be the last and only avenue available to bring a little sanity to our lives. And, unlike many in S/H, we all do our rotation of "reserve line" duty. CE & WWW have thrown in the sickleave comments as part of QF's lack of flexibility and the fact that due to GD's ongoing destruction of QF mainline and lack of new recruitment, the seniority has remained static.
Actually, no RJ. Cartex never mentioned anythng to do with roster flexibility when it came to going sick. He/she just said that crew don't want to go to certain ports and therefore they call in sick. WWW did mention roster flexibiliy, but with all due respect given my comment regarding Cartex, it bore no relevance to the post that caused MEL to comment.
Oh, and BTW, I am LH just not LH cabin crew and I can guarantee that I've done more reserve in the last few years than most cabin crew will do in their entire careers so don't patronise me with this "sanity to our lives" crap.
Oh, and BTW, I am LH just not LH cabin crew and I can guarantee that I've done more reserve in the last few years than most cabin crew will do in their entire careers so don't patronise me with this "sanity to our lives" crap.
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Cant see what the fuss is all about!
People call in sick for various reasons, I gave just one example.
Some people also call sick because they don't want to go to the place whether it be for safety ,security, health ,boredom ,hygiene many reasons.
When I am on the reserve I am glad to fill in these vacancies, the more hours the better then its over and done with, when I'm on reserve I expect to the these kinds of trips.
there is no back peddling, its true people call in sick for a million reasons, and one of them being they don't want to go there. SO WHAT!
MEL BOURNE you stated!
....that GD wants to well and truly shaft the Flight Attendants if what cartexchange writes is correct? What pathetic mob of people who 'go sick' if they don't like their assigned work? "going sick" is not just dishonest and theft but what is its impact on the decent colleagues who are called in to fill the breach? How low can you go? If this is what is going on at Qantas, no wonder the place is in need of urgent treatment. The sooner GD gets rid of the malcontents and dishonest such as those about whom cartexchange writes, the better Qantas will become.
are you telling me people in any other areas of QF are different, are you telling me that the ground dwellers at QCC1 never ever take a sick day off for any other reason than being genuinely I'll.
Before you make a comment on one group of people Mil Boone have a good close Look at your own area.....................
People call in sick for various reasons, I gave just one example.
Some people also call sick because they don't want to go to the place whether it be for safety ,security, health ,boredom ,hygiene many reasons.
When I am on the reserve I am glad to fill in these vacancies, the more hours the better then its over and done with, when I'm on reserve I expect to the these kinds of trips.
there is no back peddling, its true people call in sick for a million reasons, and one of them being they don't want to go there. SO WHAT!
MEL BOURNE you stated!
....that GD wants to well and truly shaft the Flight Attendants if what cartexchange writes is correct? What pathetic mob of people who 'go sick' if they don't like their assigned work? "going sick" is not just dishonest and theft but what is its impact on the decent colleagues who are called in to fill the breach? How low can you go? If this is what is going on at Qantas, no wonder the place is in need of urgent treatment. The sooner GD gets rid of the malcontents and dishonest such as those about whom cartexchange writes, the better Qantas will become.
are you telling me people in any other areas of QF are different, are you telling me that the ground dwellers at QCC1 never ever take a sick day off for any other reason than being genuinely I'll.
Before you make a comment on one group of people Mil Boone have a good close Look at your own area.....................
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People call in sick for various reasons, I gave just one example.
Some people also call sick because they don't want to go to the place whether it be for safety ,security, health ,boredom ,hygiene many reasons.
Some people also call sick because they don't want to go to the place whether it be for safety ,security, health ,boredom ,hygiene many reasons.
are you telling me people in any other areas of QF are different, are you telling me that the ground dwellers at QCC1 never ever take a sick day off
Haven't we sure touched on a raw nerve or two????